Why the need for all these cards

[squidmam12]

So, I just saw the reveal video the Nvidia Titan Z. I really question why they make these cards in the first place. Anything reasonable can be achieved with a normal higher end GPU in almost every aspect. Gaming, editing, etc... Like a card like that, nothing would even remotely get close to its true potential of power for the next 20 years or so... WHY do they make such damn high end cards??!!!

 

[anthony8989]

You only need to look at the pattern of nVidia's GeForce dual GPU's pricing to understand what they are doing. The Titan Z is a bridge between consumer and professional. I'm not saying it won't give great gaming performance, but that is not its primary function .

i will post again because i think you didn't get it :

TITANS are meant strictly for gaming at high resolution...Quadro cards are needed for profesional rendering and editing. the quadro K6000 is the top of the line based on the gk110 gpu, fully enabled and come with 12gb of high performance GDDR5 memory...
Cost : 4759$ +tax and shipping i have one K5000 on my workstation at work and it's pretty nice, but for games it's not any better, but that's not what it is designed for.

Read an article, any article on the Titan Z. And after that understand one thing : I'm not talking about "TITANS", I'm talking about THE TITAN Z. Quadro cards are needed for professional rendering - YES. Titan Z are needed for semi-professional jobs whereby saving $2000 ++++ outweighs the slight performance increase of jumping onto a QUADRO card. I can't make my point any clearer. Stahp arguing with me.

 

[cst1992]

i will post again because i think you didn't get it :

I'm inclined to think some people would try to use it as a workstation GPU given it's lower price compared to the Quadro top-line GPUs and relatively "OK" 6GB of GDDR5 memory with an additional GK110 GPU; regardless of what NVIDIA says it's meant for.

Read an article, any article on the Titan Z. And after that understand one thing : I'm not talking about "TITANS", I'm talking about THE TITAN Z. Quadro cards are needed for professional rendering - YES. Titan Z are needed for semi-professional jobs whereby saving $2000 ++++ outweighs the slight performance increase of jumping onto a QUADRO card. I can't make my point any clearer. Stahp arguing with me.

Exactly.
@paitjsu We can't live in a theoretical world, my friend.

 

[anthony8989]

i will post again because i think you didn't get it :

I'm inclined to think some people would try to use it as a workstation GPU given it's lower price compared to the Quadro top-line GPUs and relatively "OK" 6GB of GDDR5 memory with an additional GK110 GPU; regardless of what NVIDIA says it's meant for.

I'm inclined to think you're a genius because you get it!

 

[cst1992]

I'm inclined to think you're a genius because you get it!

I can't really comment on the Quadro vs Geforce thing, however; I have no knowledge on how their drivers differ; and how much difference they REALLY make considering each driver is meant to optimize performance for its individual card, be it Geforce for gaming, or Quadro for professional graphics.

 

[paitjsu sadff]

You only need to look at the pattern of nVidia's GeForce dual GPU's pricing to understand what they are doing. The Titan Z is a bridge between consumer and professional. I'm not saying it won't give great gaming performance, but that is not its primary function .

i will post again because i think you didn't get it :

TITANS are meant strictly for gaming at high resolution...Quadro cards are needed for profesional rendering and editing. the quadro K6000 is the top of the line based on the gk110 gpu, fully enabled and come with 12gb of high performance GDDR5 memory...
Cost : 4759$ +tax and shipping i have one K5000 on my workstation at work and it's pretty nice, but for games it's not any better, but that's not what it is designed for.

Read an article, any article on the Titan Z. And after that understand one thing : I'm not talking about "TITANS", I'm talking about THE TITAN Z. Quadro cards are needed for professional rendering - YES. Titan Z are needed for semi-professional jobs whereby saving $2000 ++++ outweighs the slight performance increase of jumping onto a QUADRO card. I can't make my point any clearer. Stahp arguing with me.

Well the fact that it has only 6gb usable for rendering work alone makes it unsuitable for professional 3d rendering since most applications will use the vram on the card to stock informations needed for processing frames...i'm not sure about the computation and calculation ability of those cards either, it is a gamer product and should not be used for 3d rendering...
for editing on gaming software like 3ds max or photoshop, then, maybe...but i would still recommand using a quadro

 

[anthony8989]

I'm inclined to think you're a genius because you get it!

I can't really comment on the Quadro vs Geforce thing, however; I have no knowledge on how their drivers differ; and how much difference they REALLY make considering each driver is meant to optimize performance for its individual card, be it Geforce for gaming, or Quadro for professional graphics.

One noticeable difference between professional and consumer level GPU's is the quality of the processor itself. The professional grade chips - aka Quadro - have to be flawless %100 of the time. Consumer chips don't. I believe that's where a huge portion of the value is going from Titan Z to the nearest performing Quadro card. Semi-professionals aren't working for Pixar or whoever. They need a workstation GPU that gives the best performance for the price.

 

[anthony8989]

You only need to look at the pattern of nVidia's GeForce dual GPU's pricing to understand what they are doing. The Titan Z is a bridge between consumer and professional. I'm not saying it won't give great gaming performance, but that is not its primary function .

i will post again because i think you didn't get it :

TITANS are meant strictly for gaming at high resolution...Quadro cards are needed for profesional rendering and editing. the quadro K6000 is the top of the line based on the gk110 gpu, fully enabled and come with 12gb of high performance GDDR5 memory...
Cost : 4759$ +tax and shipping i have one K5000 on my workstation at work and it's pretty nice, but for games it's not any better, but that's not what it is designed for.

Read an article, any article on the Titan Z. And after that understand one thing : I'm not talking about "TITANS", I'm talking about THE TITAN Z. Quadro cards are needed for professional rendering - YES. Titan Z are needed for semi-professional jobs whereby saving $2000 ++++ outweighs the slight performance increase of jumping onto a QUADRO card. I can't make my point any clearer. Stahp arguing with me.

Well the fact that it has only 6gb usable for rendering work alone makes it unsuitable for professional 3d rendering since most applications will use the vram on the card to stock informations needed for processing frames...i'm not sure about the computation and calculation ability of those cards either, it is a gamer product and should not be used for 3d rendering...
for editing on gaming software like 3ds max or photoshop, then, maybe...but i would still recommand using a quadro

I hear what you're saying. I agree - when it comes down to it the Quadro cards are a better workstation card all around. But they are also more expensive for various reasons. Like I said above, the Titan Z is meant to bridge the consumer level products to the professional level products of nVidia. If it wasn't, it would cost closer to $2000. It's intentionally over priced to bridge the gap.

 

[paitjsu sadff]

You only need to look at the pattern of nVidia's GeForce dual GPU's pricing to understand what they are doing. The Titan Z is a bridge between consumer and professional. I'm not saying it won't give great gaming performance, but that is not its primary function .

i will post again because i think you didn't get it :

TITANS are meant strictly for gaming at high resolution...Quadro cards are needed for profesional rendering and editing. the quadro K6000 is the top of the line based on the gk110 gpu, fully enabled and come with 12gb of high performance GDDR5 memory...
Cost : 4759$ +tax and shipping i have one K5000 on my workstation at work and it's pretty nice, but for games it's not any better, but that's not what it is designed for.

Read an article, any article on the Titan Z. And after that understand one thing : I'm not talking about "TITANS", I'm talking about THE TITAN Z. Quadro cards are needed for professional rendering - YES. Titan Z are needed for semi-professional jobs whereby saving $2000 ++++ outweighs the slight performance increase of jumping onto a QUADRO card. I can't make my point any clearer. Stahp arguing with me.

Well the fact that it has only 6gb usable for rendering work alone makes it unsuitable for professional 3d rendering since most applications will use the vram on the card to stock informations needed for processing frames...i'm not sure about the computation and calculation ability of those cards either, it is a gamer product and should not be used for 3d rendering...
for editing on gaming software like 3ds max or photoshop, then, maybe...but i would still recommand using a quadro

I hear what you're saying. I agree - when it comes down to it the Quadro cards are a better workstation card all around. But they are also more expensive for various reasons. Like I said above, the Titan Z is meant to bridge the consumer level products to the professional level products of nVidia. If it wasn't, it would cost closer to $2000. It's intentionally over priced to bridge the gap.

ok, in that i would say you are correct, for most users this card will allow to do a lot more than a regular card, but it is still a product mainly built for gaming at ultra HD resolution

 

[anthony8989]

ok, in that i would say you are correct, for most users this card will allow to do a lot more than a regular card, but it is still a product mainly built for gaming at ultra HD resolution

Then that is where we disagree. Which is fine because of the way nVidia chose to market the card. There is room for subjectivity.
I see this card as being a 5k gaming card in only one scenario: Where you are limited by space and power. If you want the most powerful gaming PC in the smallest amount of space and least amount of power consumption, then you need a Titan Z. Outside of that one scenario, the Titan Z has no use whatsoever in gaming. It's nearly $1000 more expensive than an option of equal performance. That $1000 goes directly towards saving space and power consumption and nothing else. I'll leave it at that.

 

[sin2635]

Graphic card nowadays... Just look at the brand new GPU on a laptop. For example the GTX 880M, it has 8GB GDDR5. It's just a matter of time where you could play crysis in your mobil phone.

 

[thomascwhitfield]

I have my doubts that people will be able to see a difference up to 16K. At a certain point, eyesight is just not that good.

It also depends on the size of the display that's running 4K or 16k or whatever. I know like my Galaxy S4 has full 1080 resolution on a 5 inch screen. I can't really tell the difference from that or the S3 running 720p on a slightly smaller screen. It all boils down to the PPI. But yes, I think at a certain PPI, your eyes cannot see the pixels any longer. Mine definitely can't on my S4.

 

[paitjsu sadff]

I have my doubts that people will be able to see a difference up to 16K. At a certain point, eyesight is just not that good.

It also depends on the size of the display that's running 4K or 16k or whatever. I know like my Galaxy S4 has full 1080 resolution on a 5 inch screen. I can't really tell the difference from that or the S3 running 720p on a slightly smaller screen. It all boils down to the PPI. But yes, I think at a certain PPI, your eyes cannot see the pixels any longer. Mine definitely can't on my S4.

that is totaly true, PPI versus distance from the display is what's making all the difference, it's not all about the resolution...if you go in a shop where they sell those giant HD TV's you will notice that 1080p looks much sharper on a 40" tv than on a 80" tv with the same specs...the same goes for gaming monitor...also you have the filtering and anti-aliasing that comes into play and also makes any image or games looks much higher resolution than it really is.

For example i use for gaming a 24" LCD monitor and at 1080p 16xMSAA (even at 4xMSAA that being said) if my eyes are at what? 16 inch from the screen, i don't see any pixels at all and the image is crystal clear...in that case i'm pretty sure having the same size 4k screen at the same distance it would not make a difference cause the image is already pretty good...pump the same image to a 32" display and NOW the 4k image will look much sharper and better detailed.

 

[USAFRet]

FYI nVidia markets it as a ''gamer card'' because....

Some fool gamer will buy it, thinking he needs it.

Marketing works.

 

[Mousemonkey]

JHH is apparently of the belief that expensive graphic cards are like expensive sports cars, there will always be folk out there who want them and will pay for them.

 

[Rationale]

FYI nVidia markets it as a ''gamer card'' because....

Some fool gamer will buy it, thinking he needs it.

Marketing works.

Yep. Same reason they sell $200 HDMI cables plated with gold fibers. It's no more or less clear than my $5 HDMI cable because that's not how a digital signal works, but some poor fool will still buy them.