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Why is Sprint pushing these Fair and Flexible plans soooo much? In my
Sprint Store last night (looking for a car charger), I overheard a very
disturbing conversation where a new potential customer was asking about
rate plans. The Sprint rep pulled out the F&F brochure, and the
customer said that he thought the rates seemed a little high in
comparison to VZW and T-Mobile. The rep then stated that those were the
newest and greatest plans were offering at the current time. And
despite the customer saying that he had not worries of going over his
alloted plan minutes and mainly wanted a lower priced plan to use the
free nights and weekends, the rep made *no* mention of the regular,
lower-priced, fixed rate Free and Clear plans. The customer ended up
leaving empty handed.

Why is Sprint psuhing F&F so hard? O/Siris says that Sprint is pushing
F&F as consumer plans, and F&C as business plans. Why not promote them
equally -- by having the brochures side by side and the reps trained to
offer both plans like what Verizon does?? I've said before that I
think the F&F is a good option for low end users and an innovative rate
plan structure... but I think Sprint is making a huge mistake if they
put all their eggs in this basket and ignore the fixed rate plans for
private consumers.

Eric
 
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Eric <caperenewal@webtv.net> wrote:
> Why is Sprint pushing these Fair and Flexible plans soooo much? In my
> Sprint Store last night (looking for a car charger), I overheard a very
> disturbing conversation where a new potential customer was asking about
> rate plans. The Sprint rep pulled out the F&F brochure, and the
> customer said that he thought the rates seemed a little high in
> comparison to VZW and T-Mobile. The rep then stated that those were the
> newest and greatest plans were offering at the current time. And
> despite the customer saying that he had not worries of going over his
> alloted plan minutes and mainly wanted a lower priced plan to use the
> free nights and weekends, the rep made *no* mention of the regular,
> lower-priced, fixed rate Free and Clear plans. The customer ended up
> leaving empty handed.
>
> Why is Sprint psuhing F&F so hard? O/Siris says that Sprint is pushing
> F&F as consumer plans, and F&C as business plans. Why not promote them
> equally -- by having the brochures side by side and the reps trained to
> offer both plans like what Verizon does?? I've said before that I
> think the F&F is a good option for low end users and an innovative rate
> plan structure... but I think Sprint is making a huge mistake if they
> put all their eggs in this basket and ignore the fixed rate plans for
> private consumers.
>
> Eric
>

It is simple. They think they will make money. So, marketting is going
to market it. It is Sprint's plan to push. It is their own foot to
shoot and it is their own wallet to fill. As a stock holder, you have a
say, as a customer you have a say, but as a newsgroup poster you do not.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It is simple. They think they will make money. So, marketting is going
> to market it. It is Sprint's plan to push. It is their own foot to
> shoot and it is their own wallet to fill. As a stock holder, you have a
> say, as a customer you have a say, but as a newsgroup poster you do not.

I think it's stupid. Not everyone is a casual user. I'd wager that for most
of the people who post here on a regular basis, F&F does NOT make sense, for
example.

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(Thomas T. Veldhouse) wrote:
<<It is simple. They think they will make money. So, marketting is going
to market it. It is Sprint's plan to push. It is their own foot to shoot
and it is their own wallet to fill. As a stock holder, you have a say,
as a customer you have a say, but as a newsgroup poster you do not. >>

As a newsgroup poster and a customer, I do have an opinion and a vested
interest in Sprint PCS. I hope that they realize soon that by pushing
F&F over F&C that they will be shooting themselves in the foot. F&F is
good for some people, and especially for existing customers who have
offbeat calling patterns... but F&C should still be heavily marketed for
new customers since F&C is the one with the competitive pricing.

Eric
 
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In article <24926-40ACEB68-211@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net>,
caperenewal@webtv.net (Eric) wrote:

> Why is Sprint pushing these Fair and Flexible plans soooo much? In my
> Sprint Store last night (looking for a car charger), I overheard a very
> disturbing conversation where a new potential customer was asking about
> rate plans. The Sprint rep pulled out the F&F brochure, and the
> customer said that he thought the rates seemed a little high in
> comparison to VZW and T-Mobile. The rep then stated that those were the
> newest and greatest plans were offering at the current time. And
> despite the customer saying that he had not worries of going over his
> alloted plan minutes and mainly wanted a lower priced plan to use the
> free nights and weekends, the rep made *no* mention of the regular,
> lower-priced, fixed rate Free and Clear plans. The customer ended up
> leaving empty handed.
>
> Why is Sprint psuhing F&F so hard? O/Siris says that Sprint is pushing
> F&F as consumer plans, and F&C as business plans. Why not promote them
> equally -- by having the brochures side by side and the reps trained to
> offer both plans like what Verizon does??

I can only guess SprintPCS basically doesn't like dealing with
Consumers. (doesn't its Customer Service prove that?), wants to have
fewer Consumer customers except with high dollar plans, and make its
money as a cellular wholesaler - Virgin Mobile, Quest, and maybe AT&T
and MCI and Walt Disney.
 
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Robert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I can only guess SprintPCS basically doesn't like dealing with
> Consumers. (doesn't its Customer Service prove that?), wants to have
> fewer Consumer customers except with high dollar plans, and make its
> money as a cellular wholesaler - Virgin Mobile, Quest, and maybe AT&T
> and MCI and Walt Disney.

Well, none of the carriers want people that spend $30 per month. I'm sure
Sprint would be very pleased that I'm going to add a line and finally get my
final bill (including taxes) up over $40-45 in the next month or so. Once
you factor in billing, customer support, etc., those people who are on the
lower-priced plans are making the carriers very little money.

I don't think it's that they don't like dealing with consumers, just that
they want to maintain decent margins on the services that they sell.

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(Steven J Sobol) wrote:
<<Well, none of the carriers want people that spend $30 per month. I'm
sure Sprint would be very pleased that I'm going to add a line and
finally get my final bill (including taxes) up over $40-45 in the next
month or so. Once you factor in billing, customer support, etc., those
people who are on the lower-priced plans are making the carriers very
little money. >>

I just think that Sprint should not be so heavily promoting the F&F
plans over the F&C plans. To a new customer, I think $50 for 700
minutes (on F&C) looks more attractive than $75 for 700 minutes (on
F&F).

People seem to think that I am completely against Sprint making new
service plans and such... I fully support F&F pricing as it will help
some people. But on the same token, the high prices of plans that have
550 minutes or more that F&F has can really turn off potential customers
if they are not made aware of other fixed rate plans. With nationwide
WLNP around the bend, Sprint needs to look flexible, sure, but they also
need to look *competitive*.

Eric
 
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Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
>
> I think it's stupid. Not everyone is a casual user. I'd wager that for most
> of the people who post here on a regular basis, F&F does NOT make sense, for
> example.
>

I couldn't agree more. My wife and I average 350-400 minutes per month
between us, so it seems that at best we would break even (we have a 500
minute plan that we exceeded once or twice by a few minutes over the
course of 2 years).

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Robert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I can only guess SprintPCS basically doesn't like dealing with
> Consumers. (doesn't its Customer Service prove that?), wants to have
> fewer Consumer customers except with high dollar plans, and make its
> money as a cellular wholesaler - Virgin Mobile, Quest, and maybe AT&T
> and MCI and Walt Disney.

Well, I for one can't complain about their customer service over the
last couple of months (I did have troubles with long hold times over the
winter). Everything goes 100% perfect when I call lately. Now, Verizon
on the other hand, screwed up my terminate and charge me two ETF for
$350 when I left them after 6 days of service. The rep that reversed
the charge the first time didn't actually do it and I had to call back
and verify ... when I found that it wasn't done. So, the second time
was a charm. Further, I had online billing, but I couldn't access the
bill after my account was terminated ... so there was no way to pay (I
had no account number yet). I had to call to get them to mail it to me.
Still, overall, I can not complain about their service either, as they
were pretty friendly (average hold time when I called was about 3
minutes with about a 7 minute length today).

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Veldy@visi.com said

> As a stock holder, you have a
> say, as a customer you have a say, but as a
> newsgroup poster you do not.

Anyone who wants a say may have one. Stockholders and customers **may** carry
more weight, sometimes those bringing a lawyer or with access to the media can
carry weight.
 
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sjsobol@JustThe.net said:
> I think it's stupid. Not everyone is a casual user.
> I'd wager that for most of the people who post
> here on a regular basis, F&F does NOT make
> sense, for example.

The plan fits very few. Someone who normally uses 250 to 300 minutes a month
Anytime minutes, but **KNOWS** that once or twice a year (visiting relatives or
kids at college) they'd go way over.

I think promoting 7 PM Nights makes more sense for SprintPCS, but maybe they
just want to be a wireless wholesale company.
 
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Nebby <nebby00007@aol.compants> wrote:
>
> sjsobol@JustThe.net said:
>> I think it's stupid. Not everyone is a casual user.
>> I'd wager that for most of the people who post
>> here on a regular basis, F&F does NOT make
>> sense, for example.
>
> The plan fits very few. Someone who normally uses 250 to 300 minutes a month
> Anytime minutes, but **KNOWS** that once or twice a year (visiting relatives
> or kids at college) they'd go way over.

It's very painfully obvious that it's meant to compete with Cingular Rollover
minutes. Rollover only makes sense for certain customers, too.

> I think promoting 7 PM Nights makes more sense for SprintPCS, but maybe they
> just want to be a wireless wholesale company.

If they were smart they'd promote *both* heavily.

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Phillip <Phillip@gte.net> wrote:
>
> Anyone who wants a say may have one. Stockholders and customers **may** carry
> more weight, sometimes those bringing a lawyer or with access to the media can
> carry weight.
>

A lawyer will coerce them to change their plan? Yep, alright. Profits
{or stockholder votes} are about the only thing that is going to sway
their opinion on this.

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> Once you factor in billing, customer support, etc., > those people who are on
the
> lower-priced plans are making the carriers very
> little money.

Depends how you view it. SprintPCS needs to up its average revenue per customer
to like $65 to break even, but the incremental income from $30 customers adds
up if your support costs can be kept low by CSRs getting it right the first
time.
 
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Nebby <nebby00007@aol.compants> wrote:

> to like $65 to break even, but the incremental income from $30 customers adds
> up if your support costs can be kept low by CSRs getting it right the first
> time.

True. And there's no question that Sprint's CS has, in the past, been
absolutely horrid. They're doing better now. You will still have a certain
percentage of completely clueless people calling in, however, and they WILL
increase your support costs no matter what you do to minimize them.

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Phillip <Phillip@gte.net> wrote:
>
> The plan fits very few. Someone who normally uses 250 to 300 minutes a month
> Anytime minutes, but **KNOWS** that once or twice a year (visiting relatives or
> kids at college) they'd go way over.

So Phillip, what makes you thin the plan fits very few? You are one
person with a huge chip on your shoulder and clouded judgement. Don't
you think Sprint PCS researched this? Only time will tell if it is
successful, but if it is not, it won't be because you said anything
intelligent about it.

>
> I think promoting 7 PM Nights makes more sense for SprintPCS, but maybe they
> just want to be a wireless wholesale company.

Apparently, their market research suggests otherwise at the current
time. If you were an industry analyst, I might take you more seriously
😉

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Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:

> So Phillip, what makes you thin the plan fits very few? You are one
> person with a huge chip on your shoulder and clouded judgement. Don't
> you think Sprint PCS researched this? Only time will tell if it is
> successful, but if it is not, it won't be because you said anything
> intelligent about it.

I don't think it will make sense for only ten or twenty customers*, but it
won't make sense for an awful large percentage of their customers.

*closer to the absolute number suggested by "very few"

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Phillip <Phillip@gte.net> wrote:
>
> Depends how you view it. SprintPCS needs to up its average revenue per customer
> to like $65 to break even, but the incremental income from $30 customers adds
> up if your support costs can be kept low by CSRs getting it right the first
> time.

That wasn't his point. His point was that the margin is very low on $30
customers, and thus, they have to make it up in volume. Unless you are
Cargil or another commodities trader, it is not likely that you want to
rely on volume to make a profit.

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In article <40ad0f03$0$166$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>,
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <mailman@www.veldy.net> wrote:

more drivel trying to make personal attacks on anyone he disagrees with.

Such immaturity.
 
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R?bert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <40ad0f03$0$166$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>,
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <mailman@www.veldy.net> wrote:
>
> more drivel trying to make personal attacks on anyone he disagrees with.

I saw not one single personal attack. "That wasn't his point" wasn't a slam
on you.


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In article <40ad0e93$0$166$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>,
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <mailman@/www.veldy.net> wrote:

> So Phillip, what makes you thin the plan fits very few?

I thin, therefore I am?
 
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Phillip <Phillip@gte.net> wrote:
> In article <40ad0f03$0$166$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>,
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <mailman@www.veldy.net> wrote:
>
> more drivel trying to make personal attacks on anyone he disagrees with.
>
> Such immaturity.

Good try ... see what that email gets you. Care to join a jokes list?
http://www.veldy.net/mailman/listinfo/jokes It is in the header of
every one of my posts to this group. You are a real piee of s ... uhm
work. I bet it took some real detective work looking through the
headers ... I told you you weren't technically proficient.


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In article <40ad1466$0$166$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>,
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net> wrote:


>
> Good try ... see what that email gets you.


Is that better?
 
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Phillip <Phillip@gte.net> wrote:
> In article <40ad1466$0$166$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>,
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Good try ... see what that email gets you.
>
>
> Is that better?

Perfect.

Does anybody have any doubts about this bafoon?

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In article <40ad1ab8$0$167$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>,
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net> wrote:

> Does anybody have any doubts about this bafoon?


Is that supposed to be an insult? Typical of a Sprint PCS apologist,
when proven wrong, INSULT.
 
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