[SOLVED] Will i7-3770k 4.6ghz bottleneck 1080ti?

[boriss911]

Hello, i recently had questions about i7-3770k cooling, and now i went over to GPU upgrade. I have i7-3770k in combo with 1070 strix, i am planning to get around 144fps in witcher 3, so i am planning to buy 1080ti. But, as i know my cpu is too weak for that GPU, but will that actually matter in games that dont use yours cpu at 100%? For example Witcher 3.

 

[boriss911]

Little late to the party but, you do have dual channel memory setup right ?

That alone can affect your FPS results.

Yeah dual channel, 16gb, 1333mhz x.m.p to 1600mhz

 

[dorsai]

I can only tell you my own experience moving from 3770k at 4.5ghz to a stock Ryzen 3600 on my gaming rig...it made a huge difference. It wasn't all at max fps, which did increase a decent amount...the real difference is in the 1% lows...I no longer get the frame drops and stuttering that I did with the 3770k. I run SSD's and 16gig of fast ram on both systems...the 3770k is simply outclassed by newer platforms.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v17p2lKzInc

 

[boriss911]

I can only tell you my own experience moving from 3770k at 4.5ghz to a stock Ryzen 3600 on my gaming rig...it made a huge difference. It wasn't all at max fps, which did increase a decent amount...the real difference is in the 1% lows...I no longer get the frame drops and stuttering that I did with the 3770k. I run SSD's and 16gig of fast ram on both systems...the 3770k is simply outclassed by newer platforms.

Hm, did you use hdd with i7-3770k? 3600 has more cores and threads too. Sure, 3770k is old, but i love it. Same situation with cars, you can surely buy a lambo, but if you take 92s R32 engine, and modify it, then it would be more interesting.

 

[dorsai]

Hm, did you use hdd with i7-3770k? 3600 has more cores and threads too. Sure, 3770k is old, but i love it.

No hdd's...only ssd's for the last few years. I liked the 3770k also and ran it for years...but the ryzen 3600 is simply much faster at everything.

 

[boriss911]

No hdd's...only ssd's for the last few years. I liked the 3770k also and ran it for years...but the ryzen 3600 is simply much faster at everything.

No hdd's...only ssd's for the last few years. I liked the 3770k also and ran it for years...but the ryzen 3600 is simply much faster at everything.

How are you doing in games? What specs do you have? Cpu usage?

 

[SgtScream]

It depends on the resolution. At 1080p you'll see a cpu bottleneck and will have issues matching fps to 144hz or higher monitors. At 1440p or higher resolution you'll likely see the graphics card placed under more load however games where that processor doesn't meet recommended system requirements will likely hold back the gtx 1080 ti, no mater what the game is, especially the latest triple A titles.

 

[boriss911]

It depends on the resolution. At 1080p you'll see a cpu bottleneck and will have issues matching fps to 144hz or higher monitors. At 1440p or higher resolution you'll likely see the graphics card placed under more load however games where that processor doesn't meet recommended system requirements will likely hold back the gtx 1080 ti, no mater what the game is, especially the latest triple A titles.

Thanks for the reply, i am going to do some low quality cpu tests in witcher 3 later, i am hoping that they are going to be good.

 

[Irisena]

I have a 6600k @4.5 ghz paired with a 1070. i would say that my CPU paired really well with the GPU, as I often see them both hit 100% load in a lot of games. Before, I have a 3770 system with the same GPU, and often time, 3770 bottlenecked the 1070 hard (like 30-40%). So yeah, a 3770k will bottleneck a 1080ti. 1080ti is about 60% more powerful than a 1070, and let's say that an 3770k @4.6 is more or less equal to 6600k @4.5, you'd still hit a major bottleneck in your system.

So, if you want 144hz, go get better CPU first as your GPU is definitely able to push 90+ fps in most games on high or more settings. If you want 4k however, upgrading to 1080ti might be a sensible option.

 

[SgtScream]

Thanks for the reply, i am going to do some low quality cpu tests in witcher 3 later, i am hoping that they are going to be good.

Keep in mind there will always be a hardware component limitation, even if you decide to go with a cpu/motherboard/memory upgrade. There always will be one no mater what the game and hardware combo being used. The question is, can your existing setup match FPS with your current monitor's refresh rate. If not, can you dial back the graphics detail to achieve it.

 

[boriss911]

Thanks for the reply, i am going to do some low quality cpu tests in witcher 3 later, i am hoping that they are going to be good.

I have a 6600k @4.5 ghz paired with a 1070. i would say that my CPU paired really well with the GPU, as I often see them both hit 100% load in a lot of games. Before, I have a 3770 system with the same GPU, and often time, 3770 bottlenecked the 1070 hard (like 30-40%). So yeah, a 3770k will bottleneck a 1080ti. 1080ti is about 60% more powerful than a 1070, and let's say that an 3770k @4.6 is more or less equal to 6600k @4.5, you'd still hit a major bottleneck in your system.

So, if you want 144hz, go get better CPU first as your GPU is definitely able to push 90+ fps in most games on high or more settings. If you want 4k however, upgrading to 1080ti might be a sensible option.

Keep in mind there will always be a hardware component limitation, even if you decide to go with a cpu/motherboard/memory upgrade. There always will be one no mater what the game and hardware combo combo being used. The question is, can your existing setup match FPS with your current monitor's refresh rate. If not, can you dial back the graphics detail to achieve it.

I want to atleast get 110 fps, before cpu hits 100%, i am going to test that later today, but i think i might do it, since i have around 80fps with my 1070 right now.

 

[boju]

I have a 6600k @4.5 ghz paired with a 1070. i would say that my CPU paired really well with the GPU, as I often see them both hit 100% load in a lot of games. Before, I have a 3770 system with the same GPU, and often time, 3770 bottlenecked the 1070 hard (like 30-40%). So yeah, a 3770k will bottleneck a 1080ti. 1080ti is about 60% more powerful than a 1070, and let's say that an 3770k @4.6 is more or less equal to 6600k @4.5, you'd still hit a major bottleneck in your system.

So, if you want 144hz, go get better CPU first as your GPU is definitely able to push 90+ fps in most games on high or more settings. If you want 4k however, upgrading to 1080ti might be a sensible option.

Fc5/Ghost Recon HT off, i lost a good 20fps with cpu pegged on 100%. In multi threaded games, 3770k at 4.6 beats a 4c no matter the gen or clock speed.

 

[boriss911]

Fc5/Ghost Recon HT off, i lost a good 20fps with cpu pegged on 100%. In multi threaded games, 3770k at 4.6 beats a 4c no matter the gen or clock speed.

Actually i am thinking to delidd 3770k too, so i can push it even more, but i am not sure if that will help so much with the fps....

 

[RodroX]

It will all depend on the game too, an overclocked 6600K may be faster than a 3700(non-k) in some games, but that wont be the same story on others.
And the 3700K can be overclocked, so I really doubt the 6600K is better on every single game than an overclocked 3700K with its extra resources (8 threads vs 4 of the core i5 6600K).

In most modern games high ipc and cores weight harder than just high frecuency.

 

[boju]

Actually i am thinking to delidd 3770k too, so i can push it even more, but i am not sure if that will help so much with the fps....

I suggest trying things as is. I know you'll be happy with the 1080Ti and you can always transfer it. You'll get an upgrade no matter what and you will see it on your current system. You'll see in the test.

 

[hftvhftv]

A 6 year old processor whether it's an i7 or Celeron is not a good pairing with a 1080 Ti. Even at 4K you're still going to have stutters and frame drops and it won't be a good experience. I'd highly recommend upgrading to a new processor such as a Ryzen 5 3600 or a i5 9600K. It made a huge difference for me in games such as BeamNG drive going from a 980 Ti with an FX 8350 to a 3600.

 

[boriss911]

Actually i am thinking to delidd 3770k too, so i can push it even more, but i am not sure if that will help so much with the fps....

It will all depend on the game too, an overclocked 6600K may be faster than a 3700(non-k) in some games, but that wont be the same story on others.
And the 3700K can be overclocked, so I really doubt the 6600K is better on every single game than an overclocked 3700K with its extra resources (8 threads vs 4 of the core i5 6600K).

In most modern games high ipc and cores weight harder than just high frecuency.

I am playing Witcher 3, internet is saying that this game is GPU based. So GPU is the most important part? How to understand how much will 1080Ti boost me? @boju already showed me a method, and i am going to try that out.

 

[boriss911]

I suggest trying things as is. I know you'll be happy with the 1080Ti and you can always transfer it. You'll get an upgrade no matter what and you will see it on your current system. You'll see in the test.

Looking forward to take that test, hoping for the best. Test with cpu usage.

 

[boriss911]

A 6 year old processor whether it's an i7 or Celeron is not a good pairing with a 1080 Ti. Even at 4K you're still going to have stutters and frame drops and it won't be a good experience. I'd highly recommend upgrading to a new processor such as a Ryzen 5 3600 or a i5 9600K. It made a huge difference for me in games such as BeamNG drive going from a 980 Ti with an FX 8350 to a 3600.

But 1080Ti cant lower my fps? I am having 1070 now, never had sluttering, or frame drops. But i want to get more fps, since i have 144hz monitor. But i want to actually see frame differences, and understand if 1080Ti with 3770k is even worth it.

 

[Irisena]

Yes, GPU is the most important part for gaming. But to say that, you need to know how it all works. See, GPU need data from your CPU to process. If the CPU can't feed the GPU with enough information for the GPU to process, then the GPU will just idle around doing nothing while waiting for orders from your CPU. So yes, most improvement in gaming can be achieved by upgrading GPU, BUT, if you don't have enough CPU power to make the GPU work, then it's pretty much pointless.

 

[hftvhftv]

But 1080Ti cant lower my fps? I am having 1070 now, never had sluttering, or frame drops. But i want to get more fps, since i have 144hz monitor. But i want to actually see frame differences, and understand if 1080Ti with 3770k is even worth it.

It's not worth it if that answers your question. Stuttering would only be in specific games. If you're happy with what you have right now I wouldn't bother getting a 1080 Ti and wait until you can upgrade your whole system. The next generation RTX cards supposedly are going to have significantly better ray tracing performance.

 

[boriss911]

Yes, GPU is the most important part for gaming. But to say that, you need to know how it all works. See, GPU need data from your CPU to process. If the CPU can't feed the GPU with enough information for the GPU to process, then the GPU will just idle around doing nothing while waiting for orders from your CPU. So yes, most improvement in gaming can be achieved by upgrading GPU, BUT, if you don't have enough CPU power to make the GPU work, then it's pretty much pointless.

Well, then i have to find out how much more my cpu can handle. But if Witcher 3 is GPU game, then GPU is most important? I have to look at my cpu usages in witcher. I can use RTT and MSI Aftenburner to find that out, right?

 

[boriss911]

I actually found a video

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkP1CZbto34&t=436s
, That is an actual i7-3770k with 1080Ti, after seing some fighting situations, cpu usage didnt get over 80%, so that means that cpu has still some space to work with? @boju @Irisena @hftvhftv @RodroX

 

[SgtScream]

Honesty, just over clock the processor and you'll be fine for another couple of years.

 

[boriss911]

Honesty, just over clock the processor and you'll be fine for another couple of years.

Already running at 4.6ghz, not delidded.

 

[boju]

Few here are underestimating the 3770k because of it's age but aren't considering how competitive it can be especially at 4.6. Im certain there will be no stuttering in Witcher, the vid doesn't hint any.