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i would assume you can't turn tpm off after upgrade as why would they make a requirement if its not needed long term. That would be pointless. We don't know why its needed, all we can do right now is guess.

Not so sure about secure boot. Leads me to think you have to use GPT as boot drive.
 
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I don't want to report again here but if you want and have some time read my message on the other news
it is not so simple even for recent products, if it is not publicly stated by Microsoft what should do those who find themselves dealing with unfair manufacturers like me. I read today a tweet where they stated that the TPM situation is not so important because every CPU in their list supports already TPM 2.0. Good...now they think also to solve my (and people who will be in the same situation) problem then? since I have the CPU in the list but I can not activate the TPM...what useless beautiful words as always

Also today they listened to what how loudly the customers demanded...and guess what...they edited the compatibility page again, and no mention of soft-floors now. Now it's even worse https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/
 
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Why they want TPM, from horses mouth

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Windows 11 enables security by design from the chip to the cloud | Microsoft Security Blog

Over the last year, PCs have kept us connected to family, friends, and enabled businesses to continue to run. This new hybrid work paradigm has got us thinking about how we will continue to deliver the best possible quality, experience, and security for the more than 1 billion people who use...
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For new systems, fair enough.

If they want a significant uptake with anything more than 2 years old....problems.
 
They have to stop supporting everything at some stage. Hardware makers generally stop before windows does. Now win 10 let anyone install, that means there are legacy devices that work with it, but not 11. Maybe tpm is line in the sand
 
Colif said:
They have to stop supporting everything at some stage. Hardware makers generally stop before windows does. Now win 10 let anyone install, that means there are legacy devices that work with it, but not 11. Maybe tpm is line in the sand
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Maybe.

But some heads up beforehand would have been nice.
Like, maybe a year warning, instead of 0.
 
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i don't know when hardware makers were advised of the change.

MS have asked hardware makers to have TPM capable hardware since win 10 was released but they never asked anyone to have it enabled until now. SO it is possible there was some dates in the agreements with hardware makers and many ignored it, like they did with Driver signatures. Hardware makers seem to like ignoring MS requests and we the customers have to pay for it.

So if hardware makers had enabled it in bios years ago, we wouldn't be having this problem now.
 
when i said Pay, I mean we are the ones who have to deal with the problem, the other parties too busy blaming each other.

I agree tool is not right at the moment, it tells people with secure boot on that its off, and yet passes my pc which doesn't have secure boot on...
 
djroff said:
Secure Boot does need to be active, as well as TPM enabled. The question I still haven't found an answer to is, Will I be able to turn off Secure Boot and/or TPM after upgrading, without causing some sort of problem? Although it's not a complete deal-breaker, I do keep multiple operating systems on my PCs, and I've typically kept those two functions turned off -- TPM because I don't use encryption and saw no other need for it, and Secure Boot because it too often prevents booting a non-Windows OS at all. I have no problem enabling those two things in order to upgrade, but I don't want to disable them afterward and find that my whole computer is suddenly a brick.
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If I was a betting man I would say you will not be able to turn them off, and of you do the system will likely not boot. I have one system that is a 7700K. Secure boot, TPM and UEFI were off. I turned each one on one by one as the compatibility tool reported incompatibility. I did secure boot last, as soon as I turned it on saved and rebooted Windows no longer loaded. I anticipated this would be the likely result of turning secure boot on, on an existing Win 10 install as I have played the secure boot game before. I had to reinstall, fortunately this was a near fresh install already. Once windows was reinstalled with secure boot on that failure was gone in the compatibility tool and I was left with incompatible CPU message. At the time I was not too worried about it because I met the "CPU Hard Floor" but unfortunately the "Hard Floor" requirements are now gone, hopefully the “Hard Floor” will return.



I have not turned secure boot off on a Win 10 that is already installed but it will likely do the same thing as when turning secure boot on (No longer boot).
 
I don't have secure boot on, but am using GPT and have TPM on, and passed test.
But I am not going to tell Microsoft. Its possible by time actual installer is released it might be able to tell.

its not accurate now, it sees things that are on as off.
 
drew2355 said:
The TPM is usually not a problem even with home-built systems. There are settings in both Intel and AMD motherboards to turn it on or to use a firmware version. Apparently, motherboards back five or more years generally can support either TPM 2.0 or 1.2. So no rush to buy new hardware, as I almost did. Secure boot needs to be on too.
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Unfortunately scalpers are already on it 🙁 TPM 2.0 modules have vanished from most of the shops and are being sold on ebay for ridiculous prices 🙁
 
sonofjesse said:
Interesting about TPM 2.0. I dont' think a lot of home builders buy TPM chips and install them.

Also no offline installs and MS accounts required?
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AMD at least has the option of fTPM (I think Intel also do) so a TPM module is always required.
 
sonofjesse said:
Interesting about TPM 2.0. I dont' think a lot of home builders buy TPM chips and install them.

Also no offline installs and MS accounts required?
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Yeah, that's a huge deal breaker for anyone that doesn't want to fork for Windows 11 Pro which will support offline accounts.

The headaches I had during one of the windows 10 releases that hid offline accounts when users change passwords but don't connect to their machines for a long time is... something else. They can reset the MS account password to get past this, but it's an extra WTF hassle for people, in addition to having to create one.

Not to mention privacy concerns.
 
Awev said:
Some (a lot?) of versions (distros) of Linux support the secure boot feature, and so that is not a problem for me. I just don't like M$ telling me I have to have and enable the TPM chip. And as mentioned in another thread, what happens if a motherboard dies, can you move and recover your HDD/SSD to a new motherboard?

I am getting to the point where I play fewer and fewer games, just concentrating on a couple. When those few games are all available natively on Linux I am done with windoze. Right now I do dual boot, and in the past I have even built my own Linux kernel using Gentoo.

At some point I will have to become familiar with Win 11 because I provide support to people that will most likely be using it, even if they don't know what version of windoze they use.

So windoze 11 will be DirectX12 with all options enabled? I know some people using old computers that can't even get past DirectX9, much less DX11 or DX12 - they will be screwed and not able to use the new version of windoze.
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Restoring via traditional tools is a worry of mine, usually, restores have Bitlocker/Secure boot disabled until next boot, and I'm not sure if the Windows 7 "full image" backup (also traditional an the only one left) will work since it was not created to handle restoring secure boot, that I know of.

Quite a bunch of testing I'll have to do to make sure with my tools. If the answer is "will not work", that's a huge problem for license management/reactivation of software, and a huge new automation flow which is incredibly annoying and time consuming.
 
NO, I misunderstood and thought it was an actual new feature of win 11, not something that came out with win 10 2004 and doesn't seem to show anywhere. Game bar settings/ game features shows my card is DX 12 Ultimate ready

goes back to looking for something new :)
 
Love how everyone is up at arms over TPM when there's a sneaky line in there about not being able to install if you aren't using an MS account. Good luck running this on a system with no internet.
 
kato128 said:
Love how everyone is up at arms over TPM when there's a sneaky line in there about not being able to install if you aren't using an MS account. Good luck running this on a system with no internet.
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that has been mentioned already. Its unclear if its actually enforced or just them trying to convince us its the only way and not to look.
 
TJ Hooker said:
It's funny, I always thought my mobo had a TPM because Windows reports that I have one, but thanks to your post I double checked and it doesn't. Turns out what I'm probably using is Intel PTT (platform trust technology), which is a firmware implementation of TPM that appears as the real thing to the OS. AMD has an equivalent fTPM.

So I don't think the TPM requirement would be an issue for most people, as their CPUs will provide a FW based TPM even if they lack a discrete module.
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It may be an issue. My understanding is PTT requires ME to be running.
 
Most Intel machines will use PTT for TPM and not a discrete module. My understanding is when you do this you are required to have Intel ME too. That is a big issue. The other issue may be backup/restore. At some level you may have to match the TPM and EUFI secure boot keys. That will be fun.
 
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Available to Insiders soon and releasing this holiday, Windows 11 will make several key changes.

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What is it with making everything in a screen spread out.
Firefox has recently changes so now the bookmarks take a lot more vertical space. Our work internal web app shows hardly anything on a screen.
If they want it to look good on a small device then they should change the app to handle small devices as a seperate setup.
It just makes the screen look empty on a proper pc!
 
Micro$oft
Windoze
M$

I see that the 12 year olds return again and again every single release/year.

It's initially free. FREE!!! What the heck do you want? Moan, complain, blah, blah... and almost everyone complaining will install it anyway. We've heard all of the negativity before. install it or don't, not many realistically care. Linux IS there for you, so when you mention changing, just do it already and leave (please).

Me? I'll be installing on day one. The company I work at? I'll start updating asap, after testing the first full release. No issues. It is, after all, FREE (for a while).
 
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