Windows 7 Rots Just Like All Other Windows

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THG / iolo also forgot that a major culprit of the OS slow down is actually the HDD. That is why defragmentation is so essential to performance.

With SSDs though, it wouldn't be that much of a problem.
 
Yeah, if I want to stop the rot, if it exists at all, I would uninstall system mechanic and install free ccleaner.

Tell me Marcus, are you an apple or linux fan-boy?
 
I never understood this concept of Windows "getting worse with age". If you install Windows XP/Vista/7 on your PC and don't install/uninstall/reinstall the almost unlimited supply of programs, drivers, add ons etc. available for Windows vs. any competitor, or surf corrupted websites over the course of 3-4 years, wouldn't it still be as fast as the day you installed it?
 
Um been running Windows 7 rc1 for like 6 months on a SSD. Boots up fine. The key imho is getting a SSD. Otherwise if you don't have a SSD you have the limatations of traditional I/O bottlenecks of the hard disk.....
 
How can they know that Windows 7 rots over a period of two years? I hasn't even been released yet to retail, the final version was released two months ago?

This is horseshit!
 
[citation][nom]ssalim[/nom]iolo technologies again? Didn't they already claim win vista is faster than win 7?If you are smart, you put your OS in a separate hard drive partition or separate hard drive altogether... then just reinstall every x months. Make it a habit and you won't need to pay anyone to "clean" or "speed up" your windows.[/citation]

Yep. Just put your data, games on another partition... and its easy. Especially in the days of Windows 9x, you needed to re-install the OS every 3~9months.
 
[citation][nom]hakesterman[/nom]Windows 7 offers very little that Vista doesn't, Vista got a bad name for no real obvious reason. ~ Well when Windows 7 got announced Xp lovers ears stood up beause now the Xp novilty has finally wore off. Most XP people would like Vista now ~ If your already a Vista person, you might as well stay where your at. You can get Vista drivers on a numerous of different web sites that perform windows 7 operations. Pretty much any driver that works for Vista will work for Windows 7 and Vise versa. Enjoy![/citation]

Huh? Vista got a BAD name for MANY valid reasons. Vista was crap when it came out, and while SP1 & SP2 has helped... *I* still hate Vista. Hell, I gotta work on a Vista(SP2) PC on Monday, ugh! The difference between Vista and Win7 is more than a name.

Its nice that Vista works out for you. It doesn't for many. Its eats memory, it takes forever to start, its slow, its UAC is crap, its bloated, etc etc etc. Of course some vista lovers say "disable this and that" such as the UAC (which may prevent some programs from working) - but it gets REALLY old to get a UAC pop-up just to rename a desktop icon, go into device manager, opening an item in the bloody control panel. MS screwed up big time, they know it, we know it. They admit it (somewhat) as they've gone through a lot of Vista code to clean up and tweak the OS.

I'd be JUST happy to use Windows XP for the next few years, rather than Vista. Hands down, won't blink an eye.

I'm using Win7(RC) on 3 of my computers. For fun, I've installed Win7 on PCs I'm about to trash/recycle. I've installed Win7 on a 512mb P3-1000Mhz and still booted faster (slightly) than a typical Vista boxes I've seen these older computer be more usable than some brand new Vista boxes (1-2 core 3ghz with 2~3GB).

And no, not all Vista Drivers work on Win7. Some do. But they are similar enough that its easy for developers to update their software / drivers. Zonealarm... nope. Some video drivers, nope.

Windows7 is tweaked and modernized. Almost every area in vista has been touched. Use Windows7 and you'd notice the differences.

*I don't work for MS (check out my history) 😉
 
windows takes longer to load as time goes by because some people keep installing random crap and many companies like making programs that want to automatically run at startup even when there not needed.

I have had me windows xp install for the past 6 years and it starts up faster than a fresh install., in the begining I cleaned the startup and got it to boot faster than a fresh install. I then kept log of all of the system files and other items that loaded, and when ever I install something new, i check to make sure it did not add any additional items, dll's or other crap for windows to load (with the exception of rivatuner (the only application I allowed to run a few dll's), I have many programs installed (about 50, many are games, professional programs and entertainment apps, most of them wanted to add services, startup items and preboot items, buy by removing them using "code stuff starter", autoruns, regedit, and a few other apps, I was able to keep windows from slowing down over time.

after the bios post, theres only about 14 seconds of loading to get the system to a 100% usable state where no additional loading is needed

in total, from pressing the power button to windows being ready to use, it is about 17 seconds, (can go up to 19 seconds in some cases if I don't defrag in a long time)

the thing that slows windows is (windows rot) is random items building up over the years, some programs may add a few system files or register a few dlls that will kook into explorer or other core services and slow their loading may not be removed after you uninstall the program, some trial software will leave behind a few files in order to track their software and make sure you don't extend your trial, they no longer do it through the registry because of how easy it is to turn a 1 week trial into a 100000000 week trial, the down side is that windows is now loading extra crap (many of which will load as a pre boot item (during the windows load screen where the green bar goes by) long after the program has been removed, all of this crap building up over the years causes windows to take longer and longer to startup and also use more memory and other system resources after startup, reducing overall system performance)

if you understand all of the programs you are installing in enough detail to be able to disable any crap they add into the OS with out breaking the program (go with programs that allow you to do this) ten windows will not slow down over time.

PS you can also disable many parts of video and audio and networking and other motherboard drivers, just as long as you don't disable anything that is listed in the C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers or any items that those driver files depend on, sadly this process is trial and error which means you need to dual boot a second copy of windows to test this on and then do the changes to the main of if they work out ok on the throw away os that you installed, the delete the second os when you are done.

PS you can even upgrade to a new motherboard and other hardware with out needing a repair install of windows if you properly disable the old drivers when removing them and install some new ones and add some of the needed files needed to bootup with the new hardware. I have gone through 4 motherboard upgrades over the past 6 years
 
forgot to add the main thing slowing down my startup at the moment is currently my hard drive. it is a old 80GB 7200RPM Hitachi hard drive that I have not upgraded yet., I have other drives but this one is pretty reliable and I am currently waiting for the 2TB drives to come down in price and also the SSD's so I can eventually get a 64GB or even a 128GB ssd and a 2TB hard drive for storage

my specs are currently a

amd opteron 170 @ 2.755GHz
4GB ddr400 memory currently at ddr 450 speeds
a geforce 7800gs

(i was forced to get new motherboards in the past because when I was really tight on cash, i ended up with some crappy board from syoyo (you don't know poor quality until you get a soyo motherboard) then a msi which promptly failed 1 day after the warranty ended, then a asus a8v which promptly failed about 6 months after the warranty, and now I am on one from gigabyte)

I know my specs suck but for now it runs the games I play just fine (i can even max out crysis and get around 25FPS if I throw in my radeon HD 3850, which I only use for high end d3d games for opengl I use my much slower 7800gs because it run them faster

second life on a 3850 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOYY9awjoeg

second life on a 7800gs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyy2SahWK7k
 
Hmm, a study from a PC tune up software maker saying Win7 needs PC tune up software? Whats next, Norton saying Win7 still needs antivirus? NO WAI!
 
look, you're commenting on an article on tomshardware, so that more than likely means that you have at least convinced yourself that you are somewhat tech savvy, at least enough to know how to properly maintain a windows installation (managing start-up programs and services, defragging, cleaning registry, etc...).

the "research" results were probably taken from the dumbest of end-users.
 

Well the 5870 has an OGL texture buffer working. Its a buffer. NOT memory. hell a GTX 250 only has this set to 128

If I get a chance, I can see if my X1900XT and 4870 have it working.

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[citation][nom]nukemaster[/nom]Well the 5870 has an OGL texture buffer working.If I get a chance, I can see if my X1900XT and 4870 have it.
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They all report it but they don't report it in a way that opengl programs like second life and photoshop and maya can detect it so they fall back to the already overburdened system memory. if you have a 5870 then try installing rivatuner then have it monitor the video memory usage and you will see that only like 5-7MB will be used depending on your screen resolution

I wasted $120 on my 3850 because about a month+ after I had to spend like hours searching each day in order to find a 7800gs (my crappy PC uses agp, and I cant really upgrade now because if runs what I need fine and since I am very bust with classes, I don't have much time for gaming)

ATI refuses to fix the problem I even posted about it on their forum and the moderator banned me even though I broke no rules, i guess exposing a problem with their product on their forum is bad for business and their way of reducing it is by banning anyone who complains about a specific problem with their stuff that can potentially hurt sales. (apple did this also when users complained about a problem with some of the imacs having a bad LCD screen) http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=108194&enterthread=y

PS I wish they would allow us to edit comments, I hate posting a comment and finding out that there is a spelling error and I cant correct it.
 
Forgot to add, I am currently using their latest drivers and the problem still remains. and it is annoying swapping cards between my 7800gs and reinstalling drivers every time
 

Log into the forums at tomshardware.com/forum and you should be able to edit.

I will try some OpenGL stuff(Google earth, City Of Heroes, All kinds of Quake III engine games) and see the memory use. I am not about to get SL. i play games not chat rooms.

EDIT, Riva does not support my card yet, so i can not see open gl memory use

Does gpu caps show it now for you or is it still showing 0 for you?
 
SOYO... yeah, bought a $225 SOYO dragon, which was considered a top end at that time. It was crap! Unreliable, something didn't work right and not even some of the screw holes matched up with the case.

SOYO is dead, a good thing. Not sure why we still have crap like PC Chips.
 
[citation][nom]Belardo[/nom]SOYO... yeah, bought a $225 SOYO dragon, which was considered a top end at that time. It was crap! Unreliable, something didn't work right and not even some of the screw holes matched up with the case.SOYO is dead, a good thing. Not sure why we still have crap like PC Chips.[/citation]


gpucaps viewer shows 256MB but all other programs report 0 and in tern they tend to use 0 and this causes major lag especially since this creates a bottleneck that otherwise would not exist with my agp bus and and system memory.
 
sorry I quoted the wrong message, I am too used to the quote button being at the bottom right hand side of the post like in many forums I also don't have a edit button the the comment even though I double checked to be logged in (I even logged out and back in again to make sure)
 
that's just propaganda... i've been running this windows 7 thing for quite a while now, and runs great, you dont need to be a damn genius to keep this babby clean.. dah! ofcourse i don't usualy install doing "next, next, next, next" that may be helpful ha?
 
[citation][nom]ssalim[/nom]iolo technologies again? Didn't they already claim win vista is faster than win 7?If you are smart, you put your OS in a separate hard drive partition or separate hard drive altogether... then just reinstall every x months. Make it a habit and you won't need to pay anyone to "clean" or "speed up" your windows.[/citation]

Um, the point was that you shouldn't have to reinstall the OS. That's just ridiculous to have to reinstall every "x months". And if that's what you need to do, then you're doing something wrong.
 
I just format and reinstall windows every 6 months on principle. It keeps things running fresh and clears out all the clutter that no amount of proper unintstalls or defragging can accomplish. It's been this way with every version of windows.
 
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