I think their 3 year cycle is too short I think Windows 7 would last 5 years before needing a Windows 8 type O/S. They'll stop production of Win 7 earlier and drop prices on Windows 8 to try and force a change. The advertising is a joke I don't see them getting anything out od the 1.5 billion they said they spent on it. Customers want to know what do the gain from going to Windows 8 (features, advantages and benefits). Not watch some stupid dance routine for tablets, that doesn't sell an O/S. Most people have a hard time understanding how it works. Its not intuitive like Apple stuff is. Now there are these complaints about the patches failing and crashing computers. The instructions to get the patches on and working are so complicated I'd not be surprised to see them including sacrificing a virgin on the Winter solstice.
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The next headline needs to read.
"Windows 8 sales far above the world's projections."
The fact they sold any copies at all is puzzling.
"Windows 8 sales far above the world's projections."
The fact they sold any copies at all is puzzling.
I and most people see it as a Vista clone, came out too early, when most people are satisfied with Win 7. I for one wont be getting it. Will stick with 7 for as long as possible much like people did with XP.
Charms belong on bracelets and in breakfast cereals, but on the desktop of a business, or any home business/professional user they are NOT an efficiency Pot of Gold! M$ please have your Leprechauns
remove the Metro/Modern UI that overwhelms the windows desktop!
remove the Metro/Modern UI that overwhelms the windows desktop!
[citation][nom]jojesa[/nom]Give me back the Start menu and I will buy 3 copies[/citation]give me $15 win8 I will buy my 3rd copy. (my first 2 was $15 each)
to be honest I love these kind of news. Now all it need is to Microsoft desperate for sales and cheapens the win8. Cant go wrong with win8 if the OS is $15.
to be honest I love these kind of news. Now all it need is to Microsoft desperate for sales and cheapens the win8. Cant go wrong with win8 if the OS is $15.
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Microsoft has back-stabbed the PC community by making Halo and Gears of War largely non-available on PC. So they don't deserve our support anymore. Plus why should we really want PCs anymore when so many other games are not available for it, the ones that are available are usually console specification limited by consoles that are usually so old, and many video download services seem to refuse to provide the HD versions to PCs for no technical reason. PCs have the greatest potential by far but it's just being so ridiculously wasted. Chris Roberts seems to be the only developer really interested in showing us the point of getting a PC.
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I have been enjoying the OS for a while now. I'll say it again, I think people are being way too picky, especially when there are plenty of ways to bring back their treasured "Start Menu" that they cant seem to live without. To each their own, I guess.
Of all the companies I have done business with, Microsoft has a singular ability to piss off folks who just want to use what they have and have learned and not have to buy MORE hardware or LEARN yet another operating system that some hack in Redmond thinks is cool.
Microsoft pissed me off. And I just downloaded Fedora 17 and installed it on my 5 year old rig. Works great and is easy to use. Windows 7 works to with Vista Drivers for some hardware.
If Microsoft were smart, they would continue to offer Windows 7 for sale for the next 3-5 years.
Microsoft pissed me off. And I just downloaded Fedora 17 and installed it on my 5 year old rig. Works great and is easy to use. Windows 7 works to with Vista Drivers for some hardware.
If Microsoft were smart, they would continue to offer Windows 7 for sale for the next 3-5 years.
It seems pretty clear what side the Tom's Hardware posters are on here. If any of you bothered to take the time to learn the OS, you'd figure out pretty quickly that the start screen is just as good as or better than the old start menu. Search capabilities are better, there's now more horizontal room to pin programs, etc. Of course, I'm sure all of you are pretty averse to actually learning stuff and will argue that you shouldn't ever have to learn new things and that Windows should stay the same forever. But for the rest of us who live in a changing world, Windows 8 won't be a problem.
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The reason he suggested is "Lackluster PC maker designs and availability."
Does anybody accept responsibility anymore? Blame it on hardware vendors? This is just plain cowardly.
Does anybody accept responsibility anymore? Blame it on hardware vendors? This is just plain cowardly.
Change happens, and in the case of windows 8 Metro/Modern UI on the desktop, things have changed for the the worse and not the better! A crippled Metro/Modern runtime sits in front of and dominates the desktop, it it irritates the productive person who only needs the desktop applications to get real work done!
It does nuthing for the Productivity of workers, but attempts to establish the underpinnings of the closed ecosystem and an App store duplication of existing desktop productivity applications! This type of change appears to be about more change in M$ pocket!
It does nuthing for the Productivity of workers, but attempts to establish the underpinnings of the closed ecosystem and an App store duplication of existing desktop productivity applications! This type of change appears to be about more change in M$ pocket!
Windows 8 has plenty of optimizations that make the desktop run faster and more efficiently than Windows 7, but it seems people like to ignore that fact.
Windows 8 has done nothing to my productivity once I learned the interface (yes, it was slower at first, but so is everything when it's new). The majority of people who don't like Windows 8 are either those who have never used it, used it for 5 minutes and never took the time to learn how to navigate it, or just those who don't like change. The first two groups aren't worth talking about, and the last group contains the people who, if society were left up to them, would never make any advancements in anything whatsoever.
Windows 8 has done nothing to my productivity once I learned the interface (yes, it was slower at first, but so is everything when it's new). The majority of people who don't like Windows 8 are either those who have never used it, used it for 5 minutes and never took the time to learn how to navigate it, or just those who don't like change. The first two groups aren't worth talking about, and the last group contains the people who, if society were left up to them, would never make any advancements in anything whatsoever.
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[citation][nom]changehappens[/nom]It seems pretty clear what side the Tom's Hardware posters are on here. If any of you bothered to take the time to learn the OS, you'd figure out pretty quickly that the start screen is just as good as or better than the old start menu. Search capabilities are better, there's now more horizontal room to pin programs, etc. Of course, I'm sure all of you are pretty averse to actually learning stuff and will argue that you shouldn't ever have to learn new things and that Windows should stay the same forever. But for the rest of us who live in a changing world, Windows 8 won't be a problem.[/citation]
You don't get it. If jumping through hoops to learn this OS added functionality or quickened productivity, then it might be worth it. But it doesn't. I spent weeks with Win 8; learned all the shortcuts and 'tricks'; and it still made me work slower than Win 7. To add to that, there really is no purpose to having (the UI formerly known as Metro) on a desktop or even laptop computer except to funnel people into MS's app store. It was an ill conceived strategy that is now biting them in the ass. I and many others who frequent this site have been saying it since the preview edition came out. Now it's all coming home to roost!
You don't get it. If jumping through hoops to learn this OS added functionality or quickened productivity, then it might be worth it. But it doesn't. I spent weeks with Win 8; learned all the shortcuts and 'tricks'; and it still made me work slower than Win 7. To add to that, there really is no purpose to having (the UI formerly known as Metro) on a desktop or even laptop computer except to funnel people into MS's app store. It was an ill conceived strategy that is now biting them in the ass. I and many others who frequent this site have been saying it since the preview edition came out. Now it's all coming home to roost!
Spinions are minions that try to spin yarns of deception, and the M$ Spinions are very busy trying to make CaCa the new lavender, but even a blind man can tell the difference!
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Easiest fix ever. First, realize PC's are not stupid tablets or smartphones and most PC users don't have a touch screen monitor/tv. Then bring back the Start button, allow Windows to boot straight to desktop, and make Metro UI optional.
Sit back and profit. Or not, because at this point all you have is......Windows 7 with an optional touch input capability. lulz
Sit back and profit. Or not, because at this point all you have is......Windows 7 with an optional touch input capability. lulz
No it's NOT Lackluster PC maker designs and availability but Crapclusters of charms and hidden edge hacks that have reduced the desktop to a silly game of cat and mouse!
@chewy1963
No, you don't get it. It might not quicken productivity for you, but it does for me. You don't have to use the apps if you don't want to, but for me checking the weather or getting a quick update on some news headlines is faster than ever and I can do that quickly and get back to what I was doing instead of checking 10 different websites to get a good variety of news sources or the weather. Apps aren't meant to be hardcore applications, they're meant to make simple things easier, and I would definitely not want to go back to Windows 7 after having access to an app store, even if it is pretty limited right now. I can easily switch back whenever I want, as I dual boot, but I haven't felt the need to yet, and when I do boot into 7 I just realize how much I miss some Windows 8 featurs.
Also, Windows 7 had the huge boost of Windows Vista being a subpar OS so when WIndows 7 came out, people hopped on board and were happy. Obviously there's less reason to jump to Windows 8, resulting in less sales. That combined with the economy and the shift to tablets and smartphones means sales of Windows 8 PCs will be lower than usual. Doesn't mean Windows 8 is a bad OS.
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And if Microsoft listened to your suggestion we'd have...Windows 7 exactly. lulz at your lulz.
No, you don't get it. It might not quicken productivity for you, but it does for me. You don't have to use the apps if you don't want to, but for me checking the weather or getting a quick update on some news headlines is faster than ever and I can do that quickly and get back to what I was doing instead of checking 10 different websites to get a good variety of news sources or the weather. Apps aren't meant to be hardcore applications, they're meant to make simple things easier, and I would definitely not want to go back to Windows 7 after having access to an app store, even if it is pretty limited right now. I can easily switch back whenever I want, as I dual boot, but I haven't felt the need to yet, and when I do boot into 7 I just realize how much I miss some Windows 8 featurs.
Also, Windows 7 had the huge boost of Windows Vista being a subpar OS so when WIndows 7 came out, people hopped on board and were happy. Obviously there's less reason to jump to Windows 8, resulting in less sales. That combined with the economy and the shift to tablets and smartphones means sales of Windows 8 PCs will be lower than usual. Doesn't mean Windows 8 is a bad OS.
@ wcnighthawk
And if Microsoft listened to your suggestion we'd have...Windows 7 exactly. lulz at your lulz.
Change happens, like when M$ came out with Vista and PC users changed form buying to waiting for windows 7, and now M$ wants PC users to Buy windows 8, but PC users are just waiting for windows 9!
Yes change happens it the M$ world, PC users are changing from buying to waiting, buying to waiting...!
Yes change happens it the M$ world, PC users are changing from buying to waiting, buying to waiting...!
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I don't really blame MS as much as the manufacturers.
Let's face it.... the PCs they build aren't really what people want today.
People want smaller and sexier, but still really fast... with built in WIFI and bluetooth. But what do we get? A big box that does not integrate well unless we add a bunch of features to it.
Let's face it.... the PCs they build aren't really what people want today.
People want smaller and sexier, but still really fast... with built in WIFI and bluetooth. But what do we get? A big box that does not integrate well unless we add a bunch of features to it.
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I mean I still have to add a stupid USB chip for a wireless mouse... that kind of crap should be built into the hardware, along with WIFI and a good antenna. And it should be able to smoothly talk to other devices in my house without me having to go through a scene to make that happen. I mean the company that sold me the PC should also sell a box for the TV to communicate back and forth wirelessly without any setup being required. And speakers? I can go on and on. The fact is that the PCs sold today suck.
southernshark, you and M$ can take the Metro/Modern UI and get your smaller and sexier rocks off on a Tablet, but leave our larger and more productive desktop UI out of your restroom stall of fondle slab delight!
Microsoft has made several incorrect strategic decisions:
(1) Release Surface RT before Surface. They thought doing this allow them to prove Windows 8 can run well on ARM CPU. Well, they sort of proved that, barring a few issues being reported. However, they would have done better if they released Surface Pro first, which more people are interested in as it is supposedly lighter than the other x86 tablets, and is able to run existing x86 applications, and the type cover is a great idea. When more people has bought Surface Pro, and developers have more time to put more useful apps into Metro store, only then release Surface RT. This would have fare better than trying to convince everyone that RT is great, look it can run Office, while the app store is barren.
(2) Make Metro the default interface in x86 Windows instead of as an alternate interface. They could have supported two modes, allow users to choose whether to have classic mode OR Metro mode as default, and able to switch at all. There are few disadvantages to provide such flexibility. But Microsoft decides to act more like Apple and instead dictate that everyone should be better off with Metro mode. Guess they have not realized Android is actually taking over as majority of the market value freedom to choose more.
(3) Not doing enough to explain the differences between RT and x86 Windows. I supposed at some levels Microsoft is also hoping that the general public actually thinks RT is just the same as x86 Windows so that they can sell more RT tablets. So there are those confusing statements about "RT has a desktop mode that Office runs on". And many so called tech writers actually think RT has the full capabilities of joining Windows domain.
(1) Release Surface RT before Surface. They thought doing this allow them to prove Windows 8 can run well on ARM CPU. Well, they sort of proved that, barring a few issues being reported. However, they would have done better if they released Surface Pro first, which more people are interested in as it is supposedly lighter than the other x86 tablets, and is able to run existing x86 applications, and the type cover is a great idea. When more people has bought Surface Pro, and developers have more time to put more useful apps into Metro store, only then release Surface RT. This would have fare better than trying to convince everyone that RT is great, look it can run Office, while the app store is barren.
(2) Make Metro the default interface in x86 Windows instead of as an alternate interface. They could have supported two modes, allow users to choose whether to have classic mode OR Metro mode as default, and able to switch at all. There are few disadvantages to provide such flexibility. But Microsoft decides to act more like Apple and instead dictate that everyone should be better off with Metro mode. Guess they have not realized Android is actually taking over as majority of the market value freedom to choose more.
(3) Not doing enough to explain the differences between RT and x86 Windows. I supposed at some levels Microsoft is also hoping that the general public actually thinks RT is just the same as x86 Windows so that they can sell more RT tablets. So there are those confusing statements about "RT has a desktop mode that Office runs on". And many so called tech writers actually think RT has the full capabilities of joining Windows domain.
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