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[citation][nom]Razor512[/nom]Have not reinstalled windows xp in about 6 years (since I stuck with similar chipsets when upgrading, I was able to avoid having to reinstall. and since I keep the startup clean.the main thing that slows windows down is the random startup items, services, and other items that load during the boot process (windows loading screen.)If you keep these sections of the OS clean, and also disable some of the crap that comes with windows. Windows will run just as fast or faster than a fresh install.All you have to do is take an active part in keeping what the OS loads, clean and this will keep everything running fast.[/citation]

that sounds like a excuse for Microsoft to not have it running faster. i would like to have all those services and not feel i need to disable them because windows is slow. I already have defrag my computer us and cleaned it many times in a year. I still see it as slow with all the keep up which windows need to work on so i dont. i dont want to keep tweaking windows so it runs fast it just should. Yes some people have old machines and slow hardware but for today's cpu it pretty fast already. i feel we are moving slow with technology i still cant believe I have to still wait for things to load. They know the user has accepted the waiting time for software as everyday life and wont put more effort into it. i have 8 core cpu but it runs at 20% and still i have to wait. i want some innovation, revolution to start happening. okay all stop writing now 😛
 
[citation][nom]jonpaul37[/nom]That's crap, just like anything, all operating systems need maintenance and care, even OSX, my mothers husband has OSX and he experiences degradation over time, even the Linux kernel gets clogged up at times and needs a successful reboot in order to clear it.The question remains, would you rather have a windows OS that can do anything but you have to maintain it more or linux/OSX that can do only a small %-age of what windows can do but requires less maintenance?Do you see the pattern? the OS that does more needs to be maintained more, its all relative people...[/citation]
Surely you are joking. Linux and OSX can do far more than Windows can even dream of. Windows is for Word and Excel. It's for clerical business people and secretaries. UNIX is where the real computing gets done. It's the platform of Hollywood movie editing and post-production effects. It's the platform of CAD and Engineering work. It's the platform of Microprocessor design. It's the platform of chemical and pharmaceutical engineering and simulations, weather prediction, nuclear research, etc. etc. What does Windows do? Office and some games that kids play. As for reboots, we have linux servers at work that haven't been rebooted since 2008. We have HP-UX and AIX servers that haven't been rebooted since 2005. Sorry, you lose.
 
[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]Surely you are joking. Linux and OSX can do far more than Windows can even dream of. Windows is for Word and Excel. It's for clerical business people and secretaries. UNIX is where the real computing gets done. It's the platform of Hollywood movie editing and post-production effects. It's the platform of CAD and Engineering work. It's the platform of Microprocessor design. It's the platform of chemical and pharmaceutical engineering and simulations, weather prediction, nuclear research, etc. etc. What does Windows do? Office and some games that kids play. As for reboots, we have linux servers at work that haven't been rebooted since 2008. We have HP-UX and AIX servers that haven't been rebooted since 2005. Sorry, you lose.[/citation]
Sorry to disappoint, but almost all CAD and engineering work is done on Windows. I don't know about the other stuff, but I can tell you from personal experience that most engineering occurs on Windows.
 
As someone that wants to be formatting and reinstalling windows every other week all i gotta say is I LOVE U MS!!! Shit I was happy with Win 7 and now i have to wait for 8..? -.- They should have kept quiet for a while longer damn it.
 
yes, CAD is windows only, I've had to use it in several classes and there are ALWAYS mac and linux guys in there griping about how they have to "pollute" thier machines or get a different computer even though it was in the class requirments a windows based computer windows xp or greater and lowish system specs
 
[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]Surely you are joking. Linux and OSX can do far more than Windows can even dream of. Windows is for Word and Excel. It's for clerical business people and secretaries. UNIX is where the real computing gets done. It's the platform of Hollywood movie editing and post-production effects. It's the platform of CAD and Engineering work. It's the platform of Microprocessor design. It's the platform of chemical and pharmaceutical engineering and simulations, weather prediction, nuclear research, etc. etc. What does Windows do? Office and some games that kids play. As for reboots, we have linux servers at work that haven't been rebooted since 2008. We have HP-UX and AIX servers that haven't been rebooted since 2005. Sorry, you lose.[/citation]

delusions of grandeur anyone?

i hate to burst your bubble, but most of the work in the world happens in word and excel, etc.

high tech applications working mission specific operations run custom kernels to reduce failure or to increase efficiency. you can modify the open-source linux kernel without licensing issues, and without the expense of writing an os from scratch. that's why supercomputers run custom kernel linux/unix or a bespoke os.
 
[citation][nom]dreamer77dd[/nom]that sounds like a excuse for Microsoft to not have it running faster. i would like to have all those services and not feel i need to disable them because windows is slow. I already have defrag my computer us and cleaned it many times in a year. I still see it as slow with all the keep up which windows need to work on so i dont. i dont want to keep tweaking windows so it runs fast it just should. Yes some people have old machines and slow hardware but for today's cpu it pretty fast already. i feel we are moving slow with technology i still cant believe I have to still wait for things to load. They know the user has accepted the waiting time for software as everyday life and wont put more effort into it. i have 8 core cpu but it runs at 20% and still i have to wait. i want some innovation, revolution to start happening. okay all stop writing now[/citation]


that waiting is due mainly to the hard drives. It is a real shame that out of all other computer hardware (except floppy drives and optical drives, hard drives and SSD's have been the slowest to advance but they are responsible for most of out load times.

ignoring application performance and simply focusing on load times, a single core P4 based system with an SSD will start up faster and load multiple applications long before a 6 core (core I7) system with a 7200RPM drive will.


but even then, with SSD's storage has been very slow to improve. My 20 gig hard drive from 10 years ago can hold a read speed of about 40MB/s, 10 years later and the average for a HDD is about 110-150MB/s

during that same time, a videocard from 2010 is probably a few hundred times faster than a videocard from 2000

same as with CPU's, while clock speed may have not come a long way , the speed of CPU's have.

while storage technology has improved, it is nothing compared to how much everything else for computers have improved.

 
I thought this was why iolo invented System Mechanic. Been using that software for years, since my XP days, and never had to reinstall an OS once!
 
Great feature, I hope it gets implemented.

Though I have been running Vista 64 for 2 years now and have not had any slow down.

I think the slow down is mainly just from user ignorance of the software they install and how it sneaks its way into your boot and runs in the background all the time.
 
Oh and I am even more excited for the App store if they can make reinstalling, buying, and upgrading all my programs as easy as Steam has made doing so with my Games.

And for that comment about Windows only being for Excel and Word; how far is your head up Steve Job's ass?

 
According to one of the moderators here this is already possible with XP. According to him/her a "repair" can be initiated from the original install disk and the result is a fresh install with all of your apps and settings intact. The only thing necessary is to go through the "update" process. Every time I've tried the repair function I end up at a DOS screen which (presumably) allows me to reinstall any files I know to be bad. Pretty useless.
 
[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]Surely you are joking. Linux and OSX can do far more than Windows can even dream of. Windows is for Word and Excel. It's for clerical business people and secretaries. UNIX is where the real computing gets done. It's the platform of Hollywood movie editing and post-production effects. It's the platform of CAD and Engineering work. It's the platform of Microprocessor design. It's the platform of chemical and pharmaceutical engineering and simulations, weather prediction, nuclear research, etc. etc. What does Windows do? Office and some games that kids play. As for reboots, we have linux servers at work that haven't been rebooted since 2008. We have HP-UX and AIX servers that haven't been rebooted since 2005. Sorry, you lose.[/citation]
As a chemical engineer, I know you're full of it. All our HYSYS, CAD work and other simulation software is windows run. The same goes for the majority of the EEs I work with on PCB layout and chip design, they use predominately use windows with a few that use linux. Every company I have ever worked for in the last 15 years has been primarily windows and the ChemE dept at my university was also windows (the only time I ran into unix boxes was during my programming classes).
 
[citation][nom]Razor512[/nom]that waiting is due mainly to the hard drives. It is a real shame that out of all other computer hardware (except floppy drives and optical drives, hard drives and SSD's have been the slowest to advance but they are responsible for most of out load times.ignoring application performance and simply focusing on load times, a single core P4 based system with an SSD will start up faster and load multiple applications long before a 6 core (core I7) system with a 7200RPM drive will.but even then, with SSD's storage has been very slow to improve. My 20 gig hard drive from 10 years ago can hold a read speed of about 40MB/s, 10 years later and the average for a HDD is about 110-150MB/sduring that same time, a videocard from 2010 is probably a few hundred times faster than a videocard from 2000same as with CPU's, while clock speed may have not come a long way , the speed of CPU's have.while storage technology has improved, it is nothing compared to how much everything else for computers have improved.[/citation]
Heck, video cards are way faster than that, my 9800 pro from a few years ago is like 10,000x+ slower than the current 5970. Still, yer point is valid, HDDs are so slow, my win7 with SSD boots up in seconds.
 
[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]"Windows rot". So there's actually a technical term for Microsoft's in-built **** quality? I use Linux and OSX because they don't "rot". They run just as good 3 years later as they do on day one. No sluggishness, no slow death, no hard drive grinding away wondering WTF is it doing. Not a fanboy, or even loyal to any brands; I'm just an "Anything but Microsoft" fan - because I like to use my computers to DO work - not spend all my time trying to make them work.[/citation]

Funny that over 120 pcs where I work and administer seem to run just fine and have been running just fine for over 8 years. Once you actually step out of your shiny box, you might actually realise that OSX and Windows are pretty much the same these days with (whatever version you're using) Linux still needing a mainstream fix. (I do like Ubuntu).

It's user slike yourself that really get on my nerves.
 
[citation][nom]mrmez[/nom]Ahhh M$. Still chasing that elusive cure for crappy-nessWhy don't they figure out how to make their OS not crash and burn in the first place, then they won't need bandaids like that.[/citation]
Exactly, and while we are at it make sure Apple and the various people who keep Linux working make sure theirs don't crash either, cause they can BTW... No software is perfect (not even the fabled Linux), problems will happen and having ways to fix them quickly is a good thing, stop bitching.
 
[citation][nom]maestintaolius[/nom](the only time I ran into unix boxes was during my programming classes).[/citation]
And this is a true travesty. As a Software Engineering Student, I can tell you a lot of colleges are starting to force *nix software on their classes despite there being no need for it. Something tells me that it's because most of the professors are either A) so old and never moved on from their days as a *nix programmer or B) Mac lovers.

What is worse is that Visual Studio, what you could call the industry leading general software-IDE, only runs on Windows (I've tried installing it through Wine with zero success). So by forcing use of *nix based systems you basically take away the best way to engineer software (Whether it be C#, C++, ASP.NET, etc). I will grant you though that there are times I wish Windows had more of a terminal/shell experience.
 
Here's a prediction. This feature will probably not go over all that great, but by Windows 9, they'll have it down right. Unfortunately, that's Microsoft for ya, trying to get something out the door ASAP to make a profit without crossing their 'Ts', dotting their 'Is' and lowercase 'Js'. That's what happened when we got Vista. Windows 7 was Vista done the way it should've been done in the first place.
 
[citation][nom]gti88[/nom]Acronis True Image is better choice. You can backup your fresh system disk before and after all programs are installed.Then, you can reinstall an image within 30 minutes.[/citation]
There are lots of imaging software that can do that, but it's still awesome if this feature makes it into Windows.
 
[citation][nom]descendency[/nom]And this is a true travesty. As a Software Engineering Student, I can tell you a lot of colleges are starting to force *nix software on their classes despite there being no need for it. Something tells me that it's because most of the professors are either A) so old and never moved on from their days as a *nix programmer or B) Mac lovers. What is worse is that Visual Studio, what you could call the industry leading general software-IDE, only runs on Windows (I've tried installing it through Wine with zero success). So by forcing use of *nix based systems you basically take away the best way to engineer software (Whether it be C#, C++, ASP.NET, etc). I will grant you though that there are times I wish Windows had more of a terminal/shell experience.[/citation]
Same for me. I was lucky enough to have ONE prof so far who was a Windows guy (all of the class except one student were also on Windows). Every prof before that has been Linux (or Mac) and using the emacs text editor to code.
 
Remember when Norton System tools included an uninstall utility? You would first use it to monitor the installation of a program, and when you wanted to uninstall it, you would use that program to ensure all of the changes to the registry were removed.

MS still relies on software developers to write their own uninstall programs, and it is up to them whether the registry changes are removed or not.

Why MS cannot create a better system is beyond me. Why can't the OS track the changes made by an installer program and them be responsible for the uninstall?
 
Question, but will you have to reinstall your software (like Mozilla) with this? Personally, I don't see much of the 'rot' on my system, because I run Baku and other things on a regular basis to get rid of the 'rot'.
There is one directory that I have to 'clean' on a regular basis: Windows/Installer! I swear, I had upgraded my parents PC's from Windows XP MCE to Windows Vista to Windows 7..... there was TONS of shit in that folder that didn't need to be there anymore. Either because I had uninstalled the application in question that used the file in the Windows\Installer directory, or the thing got damaged, I reinstalled using a 'updated' installation file, and it left a bunch of 'patch' files in that directory.
Microsoft Office especially was hell for this, there were TONS of those things in that directory from that program.
 
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