With Sinofsky Gone, Start Menu Could Return to Windows 8

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[citation][nom]atikkur[/nom]maybe people at microsoft start having arm pain when using their win8 touchy interface.. so starmenu with mouse is still a good deal. startmenu in win7 is still not perfect tough, and kind of annoying too (i am using classic shell which is better than win7 default). so if you want to implement startmenu again, better to redesign it as well, startmenu today is still lacks of clean look and unorganized.[/citation]

I agree completely. The Vista start menu is better and more flexible than the Win7 menu You can't even put folders in the Win7 menu to group apps. I've got like 50 apps and utilites installed and I used to just create cascading groups of apps. Why the crap would MS take that functionality away? Why, because only 10% of people used it? Yea, well that's probably your 10% of power users..... what a bunch of dipsticks.
 
Forcing a tablet UI on to the desktop is the single worst mistake tha M$ has ever done! For those of you that say of it just takes a little time to learn, It takes more time and then requires more actions to get to the useful functions and desktop applications the most enterprises use! Oh, and employees have to be paid for that time, and the extra time it will always take them when using a tablet interface on a desktop! So all you Metro UI fans out there, reach deep down into your slacker pockets and pay the costs of the lost productivity that the windows 8 metro UI will cause, if the start screen is not returned! If you want the METRO UI the get a damned Tablet, but for those that need a stable UI for efficiency and productivity
please do not fix what in not broken! Please no more ribbons or tiles on the desktop EVER!
 
[citation][nom]p05esto[/nom]The OS is useless without one-click access to all of your apps. Sure some dipsticks only use desktop shortcuts and I pin some most used apps to the taskmenu, but you still need ALL of your apps at times and switching screens just to open an app is so freaking stupid. Don't even get me started on the START page that is forced. There could EASILY be an option to choose your preference with that, MS screwed that up badly. Lot's of stupid problems that didn't have to be.[/citation]

The Search -> Apps lists everything (alphabetically, grouped by program) ...
 
[citation][nom]A Bad Day[/nom]Anyone remember Windows xp's first release? Businesses were still downgrading back to Win 2000, 98, or even ME until past 2003-2004.[/citation]

Funny you should mention the past, as I just read an article about how Microsoft's head of Marketing quit after Windows 2000 was released too.

http://news.cnet.com/2009-1001-250737.html
 
[citation][nom]craigsn[/nom]Almost everyone I've read over the past couple of week, those that hate the new UI, seem to me to not be very adaptable. They would rather tear something down than spend about 5 minutes to master the new UI.[/citation]

It is not a lack of adaptation, time is money. A business that must spend untold hours teaching it's employees the new system must spend REAL money to make it happen.
I already spent many hours in installation and trying to learn the new Windows before I decided that I already have a perfectly good operating system and my VALUABLE time would be better spent elsewhere.
I adapt to new things all of the time, but I weigh the costs of that adaptation and spending hours learning to use a new metro interface simply does NOT weigh very heavily on the many demands that are on my time.
 
[citation][nom]p05esto[/nom]The OS is useless without one-click access to all of your apps. Sure some dipsticks only use desktop shortcuts and I pin some most used apps to the taskmenu, but you still need ALL of your apps at times and switching screens just to open an app is so freaking stupid. Don't even get me started on the START page that is forced. There could EASILY be an option to choose your preference with that, MS screwed that up badly. Lot's of stupid problems that didn't have to be.[/citation]
Yo do know that you can right-click on the start screen and then just click the 'all apps' button right? Or are you one of the stupid douchebags who have never actually used W8 and are jumping on the bandwagon to bitch and complain rather than to just STFU or (shock horror) actually learn a bit about it before running your dumbass mouth off about your own shortcomings??
 
One thing I found odd about the article.
. The big hurdle is user training and acceptance in corporate settings. On a consumer level, the removal of the Start menu can be tolerable, but on a corporate level, legions of employees and executives will be forced to relearn their daily tasks. That's time and money that could be better spent elsewhere.
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Since when does the typical employee have to go into the start menu? They typically only have a few apps they use every day, and they can simply be a shortcut on the desktop.
 
With all that Microsoft is doing! tring to force the METRO/MODERN insanity onto desktop users, The lack of drivers and such with Vista! and all of the other BOBS, ME, and Ribbons, It is time to virtualize all of this OS madness out of existence! The time has come for The Type 1 hypervisor and the virtual machine revolution! It is time to relegate the Operating System to the care of the virtual machine (VM) and the running of the PC (Hardware and Drivers) TO the Type 1 hypervisor, which is responsible for creating and controling the VMs! This will give the PC owner and users the complete control of the hardware and driver stability, and the complete freedom to run any Operating System, or multiple of Operating Systems on the same PC! With the Type 1 hypervisor in control, the PC user will be back in position to benifit from any and all OSs, and the OS will be, once and for all, regulated to the service of the PC user!
 
This assumes Sinofsky was the sole major advocate behind removing the Start Menu. I wouldn't be surprised if those around him were "Yes" men/women and that some genuinely believe it was a good move (like his replacement who was in charge of the Win8 UI design). That said, money (or lack there of) talks, so who knows.
 
[citation][nom]zybch[/nom]Yo do know that you can right-click on the start screen and then just click the 'all apps' button right? Or are you one of the stupid douchebags who have never actually used W8 and are jumping on the bandwagon to bitch and complain rather than to just STFU or (shock horror) actually learn a bit about it before running your dumbass mouth off about your own shortcomings??[/citation]

Really, you want me to go to some other screen just to open what used to take 1-click and from anywhere without leaving the app I was in? You are a tool, there's a reason Win8 is being hammered on by the vast majority of people. Stick to your own opinions, don't bash mine, you look like the idiot here getting all worked up and name calling. Grow up.
 
[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]One thing I found odd about the article.Since when does the typical employee have to go into the start menu? They typically only have a few apps they use every day, and they can simply be a shortcut on the desktop.[/citation]

Did you just ask how many times business people need more thn 2 apps? WTF, unless you're a little drone most business users probably use close to a dozen apps each day (web, email, word, excel, and then a handful of specialzed apps, could be Photoshop, visual studio, etc etc etc).
 
[citation][nom]p05esto[/nom]Did you just ask how many times business people need more thn 2 apps? WTF, unless you're a little drone most business users probably use close to a dozen apps each day (web, email, word, excel, and then a handful of specialzed apps, could be Photoshop, visual studio, etc etc etc).[/citation]

In which case, just unpin everything from the Start Page, except those dozen applications. Then all they need to do is press the start button and click on the application they want to use.
 
Microsoft is working to unify their brand across various platforms by making a unified UI. Sure, the desktop had a start button, 10% of users even used it. But if you unify your UI across Windows Server, Windows desktop, Windows RT, Windows phone, XBOX and other unnamed devices you would be hard pressed to keep that old feature. It is just not needed on the other devices. I am a old dog, I actually like the keyboard and just use the windows key and pin apps to my taskbar.
 
For me the only news here is that people will finally lose one of their excuses for ranting and complaining about 8. Yet I predict it won't have a large effect on the numbers in the end in terms of sales. If they do add the Start button back, it will be an addition (i.e., they won't be taking away the Win8 UI/Start screen). I've always said that it's fine to help people to transition by having both. But I just don't think it matters much at this point. I could be wrong, but for all the vitriol about it being gone, I don't know how many people actually based their decision on upgrading just over this. I expect a lot of internet fanfare, but not a lot of movement on the sale numbers.
 
You know, most of this craziness of the "Missing in Action" Start button would end, if the exec's are fired, and hire the G-Man from Half Life as CEO.
 
The problem with Windows 8 is that most of the laptops that I try at the computer store section is that the trackpad does not have the latest Synaptics touchpad driver so the multitouch does not function properly. If I who knows Windows 8 in and out couldn't use Windows 8 properly on a laptop without a mouse imagine a person who wants to try Windows 8 and buy one. They will just get frustrated and just move along. Another stupid thing that they did is that they did NOT install some of the cool APPS/GAMES on the start screen so new buyers can try out to attrack them. Another thing they should have also done is that they should have a pointer tutorial hand gestures animation popping up once awhile to show people how to manual through the start screen for first of the new installation of the OS that can be turn on and off or an APP that say "Click On Me To Show U How To Use W8" or something like that.
 
[citation][nom]p05esto[/nom]Did you just ask how many times business people need more thn 2 apps? WTF, unless you're a little drone most business users probably use close to a dozen apps each day (web, email, word, excel, and then a handful of specialzed apps, could be Photoshop, visual studio, etc etc etc).[/citation]

Business users aren't typically using Visual Studios LOL
And photoshop for a business user, really?

Not sure what business users you're considering.

1. Email
2. Internet
3. MS Word
4. MS Excel
5. MS Powerpoint
6. Shortcuts to internal applications and/or intranet sites
7. My Computer / Windows Explorer
8. Recycle / Trash bins

That's basically the life of a typical business user.
 
Unify is just another word or M$ app store control! M$ wants to use is METRO/MODERN run time to box in all the application business through the M$ sales Channel! This is fine if Microsoft wants to do this on its own branded hardware, but on third party OEM PCs, it is an anticompetative land grab! The PC world in not the sole proprietary property of M$. When IBM started its PC, Which lead to the Open PC compatable market, it required Intel to second source the rights to the x86 Instruction set to AMD to maintain competition in the open market! Is is time to require this in the OS market, by either requireing the breakup of M$ or requieing thet all PC OEM's have access to virtualization technology VMs and VMs that are controlled by a type 1 hypervisor, with no individual OS in controll of Third party OEM hardware or driver software, and the PC able to run any OS, or OSs at the same time!
 
All I can say, is that I tried using Windows 8 (RTM x64) for about a week, and I liked it for the most part, but absolutely felt crippled without the start menu (even though it's sort of there) and forcing Modern UI as the "primary desktop" on my desktop PC (funny, is a desktop PC still a "desktop PC" if it's running Windows 8?). Give me control to default to the functional (traditional) desktop, and give me back the start menu, and I will go back to Windows 8 in a heartbeat, oh, and I will not be telling all my friends and family members to not update to Windows 8 (I was the first person they all asked and I told them to not update, they took my word for it).
 
[citation][nom]johnbl[/nom]Microsoft is working to unify their brand across various platforms by making a unified UI. Sure, the desktop had a start button, 10% of users even used it. But if you unify your UI across Windows Server, Windows desktop, Windows RT, Windows phone, XBOX and other unnamed devices you would be hard pressed to keep that old feature. It is just not needed on the other devices. I am a old dog, I actually like the keyboard and just use the windows key and pin apps to my taskbar.[/citation]

I got to ask where are they(or you if you made that up) geting the info that 10% of people use the start botton its not like windows logs every time i hit the start botton and sends it to microsoft

even if they are taking taking serveys inless they are geting in to the millions of users telling them that its a useless servey just going by the people at 1 company really does not mean much since they would of been trained the same way
 
[citation][nom]olddosboy[/nom]Mobile devices are so far down in performance curve any Windows OS variant that actually run on phone will be a scale down version for sure. And therefore, the apps run on it will also be watered-down and lame. Nothing will compare to the desktop equivalent until someone figure out how to make high performance CPU with low power consumption.[/citation]You're not giving modern low-power processors the credit they deserve. They've got the same kernel in Win8 powering WP8. Look at some of the games and demos they've got running on smartphones now. They've come a long way, as has software which is better at using the features modern chips have to boost performance and efficiency.
 
[citation][nom]wemakeourfuture[/nom]Business users aren't typically using Visual Studios LOLAnd photoshop for a business user, really? Not sure what business users you're considering.1. Email2. Internet3. MS Word4. MS Excel5. MS Powerpoint6. Shortcuts to internal applications and/or intranet sites7. My Computer / Windows Explorer8. Recycle / Trash binsThat's basically the life of a typical business user.[/citation]
thats right but #6 could be anything from 1 program to 5 or 6 porgrams depending on the work that person is doing i know the guy at work makes cad drawing for use uses everything you have there + 4 programs that would fit under that #6 you listed
 
I want to bring up a very critical and important warning regarding usage of desktop touch screen monitors with the irritable and very user unfriendly Windows 8.
Touch screen desktop monitors are a horrible and painful gadgets.
Your arm must be suspended in midair to use the touch screen, and after a short time you are going to hate it as you are going to get tired quickly and will start having arm and shoulder pain.
Touch screens on tablets and laptops are completely different as they are used either on your lap or on top of your desk and are easier and practical to use, unlike the painful touch screen monitors.
One more reason I hate Windows 8 that it is strictly and stupidly designed for touch use and not for mouse/keyboard use.
Stupid Microsoft should have designed 2 completely separate versions of Windows 8, one for touch users and the second for all current mouse and keyboard users.
By combining both users in one version idiot Microsoft angered and alienated mouse and keyboard users, like myself.
I abhor Windows 8 and will NEVER use it.
I will wait till Windows 9 is released, and I hope and pray that it will be a good and smartly designed OS, unlike the horrible and irritating Windows 8.
 
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