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cleeve · Apr 16, 2005

But any serious gamer will play A game(s) based on either Source or D3. Theres no way around it.

A serious gamer, maybe. But many people who come on these forums want to know which videocard is best for counterstrike; which is best for HL2; which is best for Doom; which is best all-round; which is best for RTS; etc, etc. Not everyone is hardcore.

And alot of the hardcore gamers have a hardcore preference. Honestly, in your X850XT PE vs. 6800U scenario above, would you recommend the 6800U to someone with no budget limit who hates D3? For what reason? The 850XT PE would best it in almost everything else. Not to mention, what if they do play D3 casually... do you honestly think the X850XT PE would be absolutely unplayable at quality settings?
D3 isn't the only game out there. And even if it was, can you say with a straight face that you wouldn't be able to enjoy the game with an X850 XTPE?

Besides that, no, I personally wouldn't recommend the X850XT PE over the 6800U in any situation, except if the buyer had no financial limits and wanted the fastest HL2 card money could buy. In my opinion, anything over $500 is wayyy to much money to spend on a videocard setup, when $300 cards can play everything with AA & AF. but that's just me...

But there are probably many cases where I'd recommend the $441 X850 XT over the 6800U, however. And where I'd recommend the 6800U over the X850XT.

Most of the time, I'd probably recommend the 6800GT for AGP, and the X800XL for PCI-e. 90% the performance for 75% of the price.

There is no one-size-fits-all in the videocard world.

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GAME · Apr 16, 2005

no, but in the high end single card battle its an easy win for the ultra on pcie and agp

thats all im saying

pauldh · Apr 16, 2005

Anand needs to do a new review. That is from last year. I know you only trust them, and you know many of us don't fully trust them. But seriously look around for new reviews. We have been trying to tell you that ATI has made D3 progress. Look at <A HREF="http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x850xt_agp/page9.asp" target="_new">firing squads review</A>. It' less of a difference than I even imagined. 6800U owns D3, no doubt. But looking at other and newer reviews, ATI is no slouch. Maybe AT's own timedemos are misleading. <A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njk3LDk=" target="_new">[H]'s actual 16x12 gameplay</A> is not that different, and that's an older review also.

Is D3 really that good a game to you? I hate it. But before that engine is used again, you'll probably have next gen anyway as you stated you would buy. Anyway, I hope you get the SLI/NV issue solved, as that's a nice rig you have. At least the 6800GT's will sell though if you don't snap them in frustration.

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pauldh · Apr 16, 2005

no, but in the high end single card battle its an easy win for the ultra on pcie and agp

thats all im saying

So D3 performance > performance in all other games combined? *scratches head but still doesn't see the logic*

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Apr 16, 2005

boy you are quite the little liberal arent you

Once again jumping to conclusions. Like I've said many times before, I'm a fiscal conservative, you just hate my social liberal side that doesn't like you conservative types telling everyone how to live. So your arguments here are based on ignorance if you think my economic views are based on some political nonesense like you seem to be doing. I'd rather have an experienced person running the finances be they liberal or conservative, than someone whose shown little ability to run anything other then as a poster child.

you can rip into her by using all these slurs "daddys company" blah blah blah that makes you sound liek a pissant

You can call me a pissant, but alot of my friends are in the same position she was in, captaining their father's or grandfather's companies, and I know this from experience, I'd consider their fathers to be the ones to ask about the business until they themselves had been at the positions long enough to be considered the true force behind the company. Mr. Stronach's still hevily involved with the company.

you yourself said you are helped out by your parents wealth.. so dont keep telling me all this kettle black bullsh!t man.

I'm not against wealth, but I am against ignorant people like yourself who don't know the difference between building your own company and running it and daddy putting your name on the door of his old office and still being chairman of the board. If you think Belinda's even 1.4 the business person her dad is, then you don't know much about business, and I'm certain I know more about Canadian businesses/practices than you ever will.

Right. Whatever. ITS MOOT! Dont cut taxes its a moot point! LOL... sure
just an excuse

Sure, you explain to me how effective tax cuts are on a country who's biggest influencer lies outside it's own control? Not just some basic BS about low taxes increased economic growth, because that's an assumption that unless you can show me how the fiscal and monetary policy and debt reduction tie in is simply as baseless as more memory = faster games. You're out of your league here boy!

if your liberal gov't has served canada so well, why does the USA blow you out of the water?

Canadian economy is far more stable and sustainable than yours at your current rate.
BTW, thanks to you pumping in so much coin into my province (and so many others really) for energy, it's going to be doing even better over the next few decades too.

you guys have more natural resources, and just as much capability to be as powerful/influencial and rich as us.
you choose not too.
you choose liberal socialist scum to run your nation, thats why. get some tree CUTTERS and less tree huggers and you might be something

Of course population isn't a factor of course. (really wish we had the rolleyes smiley just for your comments).

i WANT canada to be something. you are our neighbors.. but nothing will wise you up apparantly

No you want to turn everywhere else on the planet into a WalMart cause you're so damn sure your country is the only 'right' country in the world, and everyone else should not only be like you, but be owned by you. The US always says it's not imperialistic (sure tell that to Hawaiins!) except now more than ever they are trying to scatter their seed across the planet before they fall into equality with the next generation of super powers.

or is it not a fair assessment because you dont want it to be so true, or have such variance between the USA and the rest.
thats not a question.

Did you even bother to check your own site? The EU remains on top, but China when weighted by their figures goes from 6th on your list to 2nd. Seems to me you don't understand what's involved in GDP or GNP or the metrics you point to.

You are smoking some of that bunk canadian weed again arent you.
waning (spelling corrected)?

You're going to retort about the obvious dwindling of US economic and social might by taking issue with my spelling of waning? That's lame. You don't understand economics so you want to argue speleng and gramur? What a joke!

you mean the current President of the USA who is spreading democracy,

Sure he is. These 'democracies' are a few seconds old and you're claiming victory. We'll see how long these 'democracies' last after you're gone. As for Lebanon and Libia, sure they're all fixed, fixed as long as there's US $s to be had. Guess you're just going to overlook IRan and Korea since that Axis of Evil statement was the dumbest thing ever, especially towards a glacially slow moving Iran who was modernizing, and you gave the clerics the perfect reason to clamp down and roll back all progress. Brilliant! You think wining those minor victories makes up for those HUGE defeats? Yeah right!

now proceed to BushBash instead of admit how right the man turned out to be. typical anti-american BS.[/quote[

Whatever, your post was so pro-the rest of the world I thought this was a bashing post. Did you not put the right wording in your invite? The man hasn't even finished his term and you're going to say it's all 'right' already? Sounds like landing on an Aircraft carrier and declaring the war's over long before all the fighting stops.

Whats wrong with that? Do you want to hold down chinese people? Racist.

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Yeah, there you go, that's it, I'm a racist. It's a country, not a race dude! Second, the only jingoistic xenophobe in this discussion is you. I don't care who's #1, but obviously you do, and while you're all uppity about it your going to contribute to your own loss of that coveted top spot. It has little to do with the Chinese people it's about their economy, and that you think I'd begrudge them that spot simply shows you aren't actually thinking before your type. Even my comments about them vs Cuba is not against them, but an illustration of inconsistent US policy of 'freedom' to suit your own needs.

I for one think the USA will ALWAYS be able to compete and possibly dominate as long as we do not become like Europe and Canada.

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OF course you do. Because you think you're #1, and regardless of all else, you'll justify to yourself you're #1 whatever the reason. That you need to try and tear others (Europe, Canada, China, whomever) down to build yourself up is quite obvious of that position.

I worked hard for Bush's campaign, and voted for him both times.

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Which to me shows you're far from an objective source on any matter involving him. He's your personal mesiah so regardless of his actions you'll follow blindly and shout his name. There are good things and bad things about bush, but you wouldn't know that because you don't see him for what he is 'the president of the U.S.A.' and as such YOUR servant, but you see him as the captain of YOUR team, and your there for him. So be it, but it does explain alot of your blind faith.

The rest is either blatant BS to try and get a reaction or simply evidence of your insanity. If it's the former it's a weak defence for your previous BS, if the later then I'll just do my part by saying "you need to seek professional help".

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Apr 16, 2005

Its called DX9C, you and ATI should read about it.

As usual you should check your history. And if for current use nV doesn't use full precision except for in HL2 because they are FORCED to, and that's what you're arguing about anyways. So either way it's silly for you to even mention it since PP calls don't help your point.

it uses fp24

And as such they can't do anything to change it so your answer simply avoids the question because there's nothing they can do unlike what you said.

but NV does great in HL2, nothing beats my SLI.. and the single cards are no slouch either

Once again back to the SLI BS to defend the poor performance of the line. The single cards are no more/less a slouch than the ATi card in D3 so be it.

no, fp32 is more advanced than fp24

Sure sure, that's why the FX does so poorly, because it's so advanced? And why the GF6 does so poorly in HL2. You can keep those advanced features you're trying to use as a crutch.

i suppose you are using 256color desktop right now? and dont feel less advanced huh

I could use a 16 colour original PC palette, and I'm still more advanced because I'm the one at the keys, not you.

but thing is, the NV40 is more advanced.

Whatever, it's just an FX++ based on your comments.

how is 24bit color more advanced than 32bit?

When nV dumbs it down to FP16 for ya'.

the x800xl isnt faster than the 6800GT
its just almost the same, and cheaper

The X800XL is faster, cheaper, cooler, quieter, less power hungry, and last month saved a drowning baby!
So buying a GF6800GT is simply bad, not only for the buyer but for humanity in general.

but toss another GT in there, which the X800xl cannot do..

Sure it can, so your argument is pointless. And unlike SLI you could toss more than two in together. And considering SLI only works with specific setups with specific games, with specific tweaks using just the right power company ATi's solution is 20, no 30 times better.

you mean the very few situations,

Ok, if you want me to word it that way, then the VERY FEW SITUATIONS where SLI works, it's nice to have, but who cares about 600fps in Quake3?

that you would love to be more important and a bigger deal than it really is, just so you could bash SLI?

I don't need to bach SLI, SLI is more than willing to embarass itself.

sure. so unless you are into Flight Sim'04 hardcore and soley, the Nvidia is the best choice

... to heat your room, scare the cat, subsidize the power company, support the PCB makers by buying extra hardware that show little benifit. For playing games SLI only offer you 1-2 fps anyways so who cares. I'd rather buy a better LCD temp display, which is far more benificial than a second card that only works 5% of the time, yet consumes power all the time. Gotta admit, nV sure knew who they were targeting when the sold SLI to you.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Apr 16, 2005

plus ape and eden are just total fanboys, no way would i ever want them to feel like everyone on this board are all about ATI like they are. i came to the conclusion along time ago that ape just loves ATI cuz hes canadian and thinks they are some kind of national symbol.

We've discussed this before long ago in a PM, which then you used against me (unlike me). I'm less nationalistic than you are, by a long shot. I'll pick ATi if the cards are equal but I would neither buy for myself and definitely never recommend an inferior product for any reason nationalistic or otherwise. In a scale of 1 to 100 I give ATi being Canadian a tie breaking 2 points for me and a 0 for any recommendation to someone else. Becuase my persoanl preferences don't cloud my judgement or recommendations, unlike you.

You on the otherhand would recommend an PCX4300 if it meant keeping someone away from any ATi product.

look at my two links and tell me my reasoning doesnt make more sense than Apes

What's that your two outdate Anandtech nV-sponsored links? Right. You show me similar results from half a dozen tier 1 sites and then maybe I'd say you're on to something, but 1 game in limited setting from a notoriously nV site. Gimme a break about balance and fairness.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Apr 16, 2005

I doubt you'll even see this with all that's above it.

But it's interesting to note that the early eviews were done before ATi did some shader replacement. ATi basically optimized in a way that basically reduced the workload, and this would likely have garnered a far greater outcry if nV hadn't done the same before the game was released. Instead of creating a stir it basically went unnoticed because it was viewed as 'oh well the other guy's doing it so be it'.

Essentially both are using 'good' optimizations, not floptimizations, but ATi was far behind in those and we didn't see performance turn around until around X-mas.

Now they are far closer together than they were and this D3 advanatage is now a minor concern, especially since most people had moved on to something else. Now we'll have to see what the exapnsion pack has to offer.

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pauldh · Apr 16, 2005

Oh I saw it. I am sitting here with the popcorn reading anything VGA related. Free entertainment.

I knew ATI made gains in D3, just din't know how. No doubt NV got the early lead on optimizations.

As far as the D3 expansion, the D3 demo was too long for my liking, so I'll pass. Should make for some intersting benchies. But I am more interested in HL2 expansion. For one, I loved the game. But 2, there are talks of a super demanding level. So I am wondering if on that stressful level we will see GF6 or X8 pull away from the other. HL2 offers amzing framerates...wish I got the same in all games. But this new killer level, maybe it will be more than the top cards can muster and we will see them space apart.

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eden · Apr 16, 2005

Hey btw, you might wanna check the high res benchmarks on that site. Yeah, the 2048*1536 ones. Makes for a nice laughter session, considering Kinney's nutty about high res gameplay. :lol:

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eden · Apr 16, 2005

Kinney you just lost all the respect I ever had for you. I tried and tried over time to overlook your personality, but that does it for me. No point in trying to hold on.

Consider this the last time I discuss rationally with you. You've gone and done it.

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eden · Apr 16, 2005

Spending the last few weeks with my friends striking for our education, I definitely could see why socialism in Quebec is working.

Debt-free (well, hopefully it'll last, that goddamn conservative in liberal's sheep clothing Charest has ruined us), ranked amongst the highest worldwide in the education system (not education QUALITY or YEILD, but SYSTEM), and truly open-minded (as long as you disregard the sometimes annoying seperatist discourse and its often associated anti-English sentiment), I feel happy these days to be here.

I have quite a few conservative views, yet this society is showing this unity I can't deny. Why just this week, ever since the protest on Ottawa's parliament hill (you know which one I'm talking about, the one Harper felt "invited" to speak at), I've been hearing opinions flying against the Conservatives for their opinions on this issue, and what amazes me most is how they evoked the topic with anger, not me, and as far as I know, they are all straight people. It's amazing the solidarity shown here. Just like the student strike. They're fighting for something they likely will never need (scholarships) but they strike for those who will.

It is only when you sit on the other side for a few minutes do you get a full perspective of the situation and can decide where to stand. I've been able to do that and have been happy to see my decisions being more rational than most. I used to be very close-minded, but living here has helped a lot because of the way the distinct society here has evolved. I am generally opposed to the Quebec seperation btw, because I love Canada and think it should be Quebec among Canada, not Quebec without Canada. Canada, as you pointed out, is at an excellent time in its economy. It's rare to hear a govt report surpluses like that. I heard Alberta has 1.5 billion in surplus. They will pump hundreds of millions into education and health. Remarkable.

If someone wants to criticize us, they should live up here first and see the quality of life. If it does not suit them, then I respect that, and will respect the criticism they will have for it. Like I told my friends a few weeks ago, in retort to Charest's conservative decisions (his cuts on education to favor tax cuts): if you grew up in one economical system, it makes NO sense to switch to another. You destabilize the current and cause more problems than anything. So in other words, America works because of its capitalist oriented system, but yet Canada prospers too because of its own socialist-capitalist adapted system. Quebec prides on socialism and it works. In fact you can easily prosper in this province, if you work hard. The best example I can give is Ubisoft and other major companies, setting stage in large cities like Montreal. Quebec now is recognized for its amazing gaming industry performance. (we should not forget SoftImage was created by a Quebecer, and this is one of the biggest and most influential 3d graphics program out there) A lot of award winning games have Quebecers in their credits thanks to Ubi's belief in our abilities here. (PoP: The Sands of Time is a good example of showing French names in the credits)
Not to mention Ubisoft will create an education campus for hundreds if not thousands of multimedia students to become avid game programmers and developpers to later probably hire them. The investment in this province is growing, and people are happy about it and accept it, because they control their presence in the projects. They stamp their own names in the product's credits. They aren't complaining about some assimilation by Americans or whatnot. (although I think that worry is mostly insecurity and they shouldn't feel that way)

Anyways, this will pass off as a self-pride post to many, but I just felt like adding some corrections to what the corrupted words of Kinney did to my country and province as well.

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eden · Apr 16, 2005

BTW I grabbed FarCry for 10$, I think you might recall my thread. :tongue:

Damn we rock at PC games prices sometimes. 😎

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cleeve · Apr 16, 2005

no, but in the high end single card battle its an easy win for the ultra on pcie and agp

thats all im saying

It's not an easy win if the 6800U is going up against a $440 X850XT, it isn't. not by a long shot.

It's pretty even, they both have their victories. The X850Xt has more speed, the 6800U has more forward looking features.

But an easy win? No way. No way in hell.

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eden · Apr 16, 2005

For the love of god give up man. Can't you see the amount of pages and text yall have spent writing to him?

I'm glad I didn't really READ all of it. The pages grow exponentially, too friggin long to read redundant stuff. Yall made your points and damn well at it. I just can't believe you're still trying. You should try "converting" other people from now on. It seems like the more it goes, the more offensive if not racist material do I see coming from Kinney. It's getting tiring.

Seriously, let's do other stuff, shall we? How about a nice slurping session?

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mozzartusm · Apr 16, 2005

So is this my fault :lol:

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cleeve · Apr 16, 2005

You're right of course, but I'm a stubborn sonofabitch. And I got the goof to at least admit his bias, which he would never do before. So it wasn't all for nought.

But yes, yes, I will take your advice and stop subjecting the board to my evangelical rantings. My tenacious retorts have deteriorated into meaningless repetition long ago.

Sorry dudes. Now who wants to lick my meatstick? Wingding, you listening?

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GAME · Apr 16, 2005

wow perfect example of a downplaying post by ape.

and also his usual insults. as well as bragging about ati sli which does not exist. it could totally suck

but for you its 30X better

GAME · Apr 16, 2005

alot of bs here that i dont want to take the the to address because you are set on being anti-american and that is clear.
you should know you are dead wrong tho, you assume way to much from my language.. and you are doing so because you are anti-american.

He's your personal mesiah so regardless of his actions you'll follow blindly and shout his name. There are good things and bad things about bush, but you wouldn't know that because you don't see him for what he is 'the president of the U.S.A.' and as such YOUR servant, but you see him as the captain of YOUR team, and your there for him. So be it, but it does explain alot of your blind faith.

this deserves response, actually im very disappointed in our border policy. if you knew so much about america, which you clearly do not know nearly as much as you think do.. then you'd noticed me talking about illegal immigration.
thats huge IMO after 9/11, border jumping must be stopped.. killed if we have too

thats one very large problem i have with my President, but overall I dont believe anyone else would do a better job

its really sad rereading your reply, you really have no faith in the people of lebanon or the middle east.. you think as long as we pump money into them they'll be good little boys and play democratic and try some freedom..

what an a$$.. really.

GAME · Apr 16, 2005

no i thought doom3 itself was mediocre. i just feel performance in the engine is of dire importance for the future. i usually migrate my video cards down, so "future-proofness" (to the best of my abilities) is important.

i think engines like doom3 are clearly the future.

i wouldnt snap these cards, they do work great.. perform well, but looking at the x850 again i dont think i can do it.
if i ever leave sli it will be for a 6800ultra pcie

GAME · Apr 16, 2005

thats alright, i hate trying to make everyone happy anyway

ps. my pics were never removed from the album
kthxbye

GAME · Apr 16, 2005

i quit looking at firingsquad when they disgraced Ronald Reagan's passing. they are anti-American faggots.
Anand is a good guy, they keep tight wraps on their forums and their reviews come closer to what I get in-house than any others. I just dont trust the settings I think some reviewers run and dont disclose.
I've always gotten similar results to anand on both my ATI/NV hardware.

dont know if i showed you the new pic with the DFI but here she is
<A HREF="http://home.mchsi.com/~mwkinney/" target="_new">better cabling eh? eh?</A>

I'm happy with it now. I havent even started OCing this one tho, for one I need to read up on all the bios options.

if ive found a flaw yet, its WAY more advanced than any other board for bios options.. takes a while to get used too coming from the other brands

on D3, I'm considering picking up doom3expansion... i was just in love with the dualie shotty in Doom2 and its just hard to resist. supposedly the graphics have been tweaked.
i just wish they'd implement native widescreen support like HL2/WoW and every other AAA title. you can get it to work in widescreen and not be stretched, but it takes some ini editing.
i think i've said this before, but if there was one piece of hardware that i would let go of last in this rig, its the widescreen lcd. ppl are really missing out esp in games, i cant stand 4:3 resolutions anymore.. looks like tunnel vision

Guest · Apr 16, 2005

Hey man, I'm an American too and I love my country very much. That was probably the harshest comments I think I have read from Ape. He's usually so relaxed an layed back seeming; in fact I think I commented on it somewhere before. But I think you may have pushed a bit too hard there Game. I HAVE been reading this post, and has it's gone on you have become very brash and somewhat insulting. And hell, I'm an American!! What they're saying is correct dude, these guys don't hate Nv, and they DO recommend their products to people, believe me. I do also, even though I own an x800xl bba. Ultimately for me it was price that was the deciding factor. At the time I got this thing, it was $299 retail US, and the cheapest OEM 6800GT I could find on pricewatch was $470. It was just too much money for me, and that's what these guys have been saying all along. IF you can afford it, go for SLI, and if money is an issue, go for what you can afford.

Remember Game, just because we are Americans doesn't make us better than the rest of the world, just different. We are unique. In all the history of the world, every great empire that has existed from the Romans to Great Britain have seen themselves as just that, an empire. But we as Americans are unique because we don't see ourselves that way, though the rest of the world sometimes does. Look at the military might we wield. After 9/11 what did we do? We wiped 2 separate governments from the planet and replaced them with 2 new ones. If you weren't an American, would that frighten you somewhat? There is no need to bash people because they don't have our military might. We have our own problems man, look at our budget. Look at our spending. Look at our education. We are unique, but we are far from perfect. We need to foster better relationships with people around the world, not put them down because they are different! Wise up, and stop bashing people because they're not Americans! If the rest of the world loathes us as they are beginning to, what good would it do to have all the power in the world? We would become the very thing we have fought so very had against. Fascist. Oppressive. Corrupt. Intolerable. What makes us so great as Americans is our ability to change the world around us, for better or for worse, but no change comes without sacrifice. Never forget the sacrifice that others who came before you have made, for they were made not just for you and me, but for all the world.

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HardWareBoss · Apr 16, 2005

Can't even find it down here in the states for $10. :frown:

cleeve · Apr 16, 2005

Nice post, Wraithfire.

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