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"Sammy "The Bull" Gravano" <Sammy@witnessprotection.gov> wrote
> Look, you raised some very valid points. External memory is dropping in
> cost, and that's a good thing.

For real. That's the thing that I originally thought was a terrific thing
for the PS3, and in my mind, marked a departure for Sony. Notice it's not
*just* "Memory Stick" and the controller isn't some proprietary Sony
wireless format. It's bluetooth. Bluetooth headsets, headphones, wireless
devices, the works.

I thought the addition of SD memory was *awesome*. And when I realized that
I had as much SD memory just lying around the house, as I did in my Xbox
Hard Drive (that I don't even really use) that's when I realized that the
whole "external HDD" argument was really kinda pointless. You can throw a
rock and find SD memory for a song, and since it's memory that damn near
every device in the house uses, I know I'll be able to use it all over the
place, not just in my Game Console.

No worries. I think they'll both have positive and negative things, and
honestly, in my mind, I'm much more concerned about the DVD Drive that the
Xbox is shipping with. How can they claim that "this is the era of HD
gaming" when they're not even shipping with an HD capable DVD Drive? What
happens when they start shipping HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray DVDs this christmas? The
console will only be a couple months old by that time, and it won't even
play whatever format finally emerges from the coming HiDef-DVD format war.
 
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On 2005-05-23 22:49:32 -0300, "Sammy \"The Bull\" Gravano"
<Sammy@witnessprotection.gov> said:

> Am I the only laughing right now? Notice the key word ""capability?" Has
> Sony learned nothing from the PS2 HDD fiasco? Yet they still expect Gamers
> to pay ~$465 for a HDD-less system.

Who cares if it has a hdd or not. I never used one for the PS2--heck,
I never even SAW one--and I doubt I'll use one for any next-gen system
I may have.

What it all comes down to is game selection, anyway. If the PS3 has
better games, I'd get it before I'd get an Xbox with a huge hdd any
day. Likewise for the opposite scenario.

- Avenger
 
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Sammy "The Bull" Gravano wrote:
> "Krusty" <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:caOke.28$_z6.17926@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>
>>"Sammy "The Bull" Gravano" <Sammy@witnessprotection.gov> wrote...
>>
>>>"Krusty" <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote...
>>>
>>>>"Sammy "The Bull" Gravano" <Sammy@witnessprotection.gov> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>Funny how I raise a fact, and your response is that. Your are a Sony
>>>>>Worshiper I presume??
>>>>
>>>>Actually no. I'm buying all three. I'm just laughing at how
>>>>simultaneously
>>>>wrong, and stupid you are.
>>>
>>>
>>>Good for you. Rember to put away some dough for when Sony releases the
>>>HDD
>>>add-on.
>>
>>No problem. I have one of those...what are they called? Oh yeah...jobs.
>>
>>
>
>
> You acknowledge there is no HDD, yet you are content with spending extra for
> the add-on. Sony did a number on you with the PS2 HDD add-on, huh. Got you
> brainwashed into thinking HDDs should be add-ons. Thank God MS does not
> think that way with the xbox360.

The HD has limited practical applications in an unchipped Xbox.

-Vin
 
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"ViNNY" <a.vincent@SPAMANDDIEclara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1116976255.20311.0@ersa.uk.clara.net...
> Sammy "The Bull" Gravano wrote:
> > "Krusty" <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:caOke.28$_z6.17926@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> >
> >>"Sammy "The Bull" Gravano" <Sammy@witnessprotection.gov> wrote...
> >>
> >>>"Krusty" <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote...
> >>>
> >>>>"Sammy "The Bull" Gravano" <Sammy@witnessprotection.gov> wrote
> >>>>
> >>>>>Funny how I raise a fact, and your response is that. Your are a Sony
> >>>>>Worshiper I presume??
> >>>>
> >>>>Actually no. I'm buying all three. I'm just laughing at how
> >>>>simultaneously
> >>>>wrong, and stupid you are.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Good for you. Rember to put away some dough for when Sony releases the
> >>>HDD
> >>>add-on.
> >>
> >>No problem. I have one of those...what are they called? Oh yeah...jobs.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > You acknowledge there is no HDD, yet you are content with spending extra
for
> > the add-on. Sony did a number on you with the PS2 HDD add-on, huh. Got
you
> > brainwashed into thinking HDDs should be add-ons. Thank God MS does not
> > think that way with the xbox360.
>
> The HD has limited practical applications in an unchipped Xbox.
>
> -Vin

The Xbox used the HDD in a non-limited way, IMO. Storage for downloadable
content, ripped music for playing back during games, fast game loads/saves
(if the game makers wrote their games to take advantage of it).

-Sammy
 
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Doug Jacobs wrote:
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Krusty <rspwkrusty@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't want to sit in front of a computer monitor to play them, I
>> want to play them on my nice, big, widescreen TV, which sits in the
>> main room of my house. I don't want to string cables to my TV from
>> my laptop to have to do it either. Keep your ROMS and your downloads
>> and your PC. I'd like to be able to play them using a Nintendo
>> Controller, with my wife and kids all sitting on the sofa. Not
>> crammed around a computer monitor.
>
> Are you sure you really want to play old 8-bit NES games on a big
> screen HDTV? Unless the Revolution is going to do some sort of
> upscanning (which would be cool! but unlikely) the graphics are going
> to appear so blocky you'll have to stand in the next room to be able
> to see that that 1 foot tall blob of red and white blocks is supposed
> to be Mario 😉

Bleh, I doubt there will be a problem. I've hooked up my old NES to my
bigscreen and there was no problem. Same with emulators on your HD computer
screen.

Ryan
 
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Sammy "The Bull" Gravano wrote:
> "ViNNY" <a.vincent@SPAMANDDIEclara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1116976255.20311.0@ersa.uk.clara.net...
>
>>Sammy "The Bull" Gravano wrote:
>>
>>>"Krusty" <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:caOke.28$_z6.17926@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Sammy "The Bull" Gravano" <Sammy@witnessprotection.gov> wrote...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Krusty" <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Sammy "The Bull" Gravano" <Sammy@witnessprotection.gov> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Funny how I raise a fact, and your response is that. Your are a Sony
>>>>>>>Worshiper I presume??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually no. I'm buying all three. I'm just laughing at how
>>>>>>simultaneously
>>>>>>wrong, and stupid you are.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Good for you. Rember to put away some dough for when Sony releases the
>>>>>HDD
>>>>>add-on.
>>>>
>>>>No problem. I have one of those...what are they called? Oh yeah...jobs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You acknowledge there is no HDD, yet you are content with spending extra
>
> for
>
>>>the add-on. Sony did a number on you with the PS2 HDD add-on, huh. Got
>
> you
>
>>>brainwashed into thinking HDDs should be add-ons. Thank God MS does not
>>>think that way with the xbox360.
>>
>>The HD has limited practical applications in an unchipped Xbox.
>>
>>-Vin
>
>
> The Xbox used the HDD in a non-limited way, IMO. Storage for downloadable
> content, ripped music for playing back during games, fast game loads/saves
> (if the game makers wrote their games to take advantage of it).

Hence the word "limited".

--
Rockboy
Everybody's all right
Everything is automatic
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Krusty <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote:

> I *love* the idea of gift cards.

It sounds like the next generation of e-cards to me. Wonder if you'll
have to buy the Revolution Credit Card Reader as well? 😉
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Krusty <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Think free distribution on games that are already compiled, and I'm thinking
> pure profit with no work. Like I said, a no-brainer.

That's not what Rob is saying because companies don't think that way.

Instead, they're going to think "well, we might do a compilation of our
own, and be able to charge the equivelant of $3-5/game, so if we sign on
with Nintendo, we should charge $3-5/game as well." This would still be
better than what Nintendo was doing with their "Nintendo Classics" for the
GBA, where they were charging $10-15 for a single old NES game. Though to
Nintendo, that makes sense, because you have the packaging, the cartridge
(with all of 20k of code on it!) the royalties, and then the 30% markup
for the consumer market to pay for the shipping and the store.

I'm not saying it makes sense - a lot of what companies do doesn't make
sense.

This is why so many of the companies holding old arcade game copyrights
are just sitting on them. They're too afraid of "underselling" their
product, but don't feel there's enough of a demand to re-release. And so,
they do nothing, and that's what they get in return as well - nothing.
 
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In article <5i8791pm61dssqhbmg12sndaqfqdnj8vqp@4ax.com>,
Rob Browning <pluvius3@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Don't be too sure that that will apply as heavily to the XBox 360.
> Microsoft wants to turn consoles into PCs with media center
> capabilities, and for obvious reasons. Chances are that the
> restrictions against unsigned code will be loosened accordingly; they
> won't have any problems with emulators for other companies' systems if
> it increases the demand for their own product (which it probably
> will).

They want you to buy a Media Center Edition PC and stream content to the
X360.

They don't want you to mod that box.
 
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In alt.games.video.xbox Robin <robinandtami@nospam.com> wrote:

> Maybe you haven't found the right genre. I like games with
> varied play and a good story line, like Red Dead Revolver
> (found that for $15 the other day, new.)

I don't think that's his problem...at least, it's not my problem.

Over the past few years, I've seen my gaming time diminish from 20-40
hours a week to maybe 10-20(if I'm lucky) hours a week. Real life will do
that to you, really easily.

With my average gaming session dropping to only an hour or 2 a day, some
games just don't fit into that mold as well. RPGs are a good example here.
While some games, like KOTOR, allow you to save at virtually any time, and
let you teleport to places you've already been to, it's still a difficult
game to play in such small stretches. And then there other RPGs that don't
let you save so often, meaning if you can't set aside a good 4-5 hour chunk
of time, you're going to have trouble making it through the game, much
less finishing it. I'm already looking at having to restart 3 games,
simply because I got pulled away from them for too long, and now, I don't
quite remember what I was doing, or why, or even all the subtleties in the
various games' combat systems.

Yeah, I know there are shorter games out there, but then you run into the
other problem - cost. Would you pay $50, or even $40, for a game that you
could finish in 15 hours? I refuse to (I'm still waiting for the 3rd
Ratchet & Clank game to drop to $20!) and I'm sure I'm not alone here.

Since my gaming time has dropped so significantly, I don't *need* to buy
new games so often. In fact, I've only been buying games if they're $20,
$30 if they're an RPG (they don't tend to drop as much as other games 🙁
I figure in this way, I really won't be ready for a new console until 2007
or 2008. By that time, all 3 of the new consoles will be at least a year
old, will be cheaper, and will have a small selection of $20 games.
That's when I'll upgrade. Not before - not unless someone comes out with
something I just gotta get immediatly. But from what I've seen so far,
that won't happen any time soon.
 
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In alt.games.video.xbox Michele Dall'Agata <mdall_agata@hotmail.cancella.com> wrote:

> > Neither, probably. I'm content with what I have right now.

> Until the next FF game will be released for PS3 only...

From history, that won't happen until the PS3 is about year and a half old
or so, and by that time, I'll probably be ready for a new console anyways.
 
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Doug Jacobs wrote:
> 40 hours a week [of gaming]

How can people do this?

--
Jonathan McArthur
 
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On 2005-05-31 22:49:26 -0300, Jonathan McArthur
<dynamite8NOSPAM@paradise.net.nz> said:

> Doug Jacobs wrote:
>> 40 hours a week [of gaming]
>
> How can people do this?

They're little kids. It's all they have to do. Go to school, come
home, do homework, then play games until they fall asleep.

- Avenger
 
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Avenger wrote:
> On 2005-05-31 22:49:26 -0300, Jonathan McArthur
> <dynamite8NOSPAM@paradise.net.nz> said:
>
>> Doug Jacobs wrote:
>>
>>> 40 hours a week [of gaming]
>>
>>
>> How can people do this?
>
>
> They're little kids. It's all they have to do. Go to school, come
> home, do homework, then play games until they fall asleep.
>
> - Avenger
>

Actually gaming is my "hobby" so I'm allowed to dedicate as much time as
I want to it!
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Jonathan McArthur <dynamite8NOSPAM@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> Doug Jacobs wrote:
> > 40 hours a week [of gaming]

> How can people do this?

Not too hard. Average child or adult watches is between 4-5 hours of TV
a day. If instead of watching TV, or surfing the internet, you played a
game... Well, there you go.

If I was playing a game I was really into, I would come home from work and
play about 4 or 5 hours until I went to sleep. Then on the weekends, I'd
put in 10 or so hours. The absolute longest I've played in a single
session was about 16 hours.
 
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[Doug Jacobs djacobs@shell.rawbw.com]
[Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:39:25 -0000]

:> > 40 hours a week [of gaming]
:
:> How can people do this?
:
:Not too hard. Average child or adult watches is between 4-5 hours of TV
:a day. If instead of watching TV, or surfing the internet, you played a
:game... Well, there you go.

Must be that new math stuff..

(4-5 * 7 = 40?)

--
Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com

"To those who have fought for it,
freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
 
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"Sammy "The Bull" Gravano" <Sammy@witnessprotection.gov> wrote in message
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>> Bluray
>
> This is a potential deal breaker for many. If the PS3 has a street price
> that matches the Xbox 360, then this is a nice feature. But I am fairly
> certain that the PS3 will sell for a considerable amount more than the
> Xbox
> 360n for this feature alone. Very expensive.

Unless Sony subsidizes it heavily to get its pet format adopted and
eliminating the other competing standards.
 
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
news:1196tpv8ur9h7bb@corp.supernews.com...
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Krusty <rspwkrusty@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't want to sit in front of a computer monitor to play them, I want
>> to
>> play them on my nice, big, widescreen TV, which sits in the main room of
>> my
>> house. I don't want to string cables to my TV from my laptop to have to
>> do
>> it either. Keep your ROMS and your downloads and your PC. I'd like to be
>> able to play them using a Nintendo Controller, with my wife and kids all
>> sitting on the sofa. Not crammed around a computer monitor.
>
> Are you sure you really want to play old 8-bit NES games on a big screen
> HDTV? Unless the Revolution is going to do some sort of upscanning (which
> would be cool! but unlikely) the graphics are going to appear so blocky
> you'll have to stand in the next room to be able to see that that 1 foot
> tall blob of red and white blocks is supposed to be Mario 😉

I zoned out for a bit and then thought you were talking about your mom
covered in bed sores.
 
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"Rob Browning" <pluvius3@hotmail.com> wrote
> Resurrecting this old thread for a big announcement:
>
> http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=36071&subsectionid=1587
>
> Which confirms pretty much every argument I made.

Note:
"Third-party developers could charge for the privilege to download though.
Or, alternatively, they could offer downloadable classics as an incentive to
buy their next-gen full price releases. Either way, classic Nintendo titles
such as Castlevania and MegaMan may not be immediately accessible. "

*may* not be immediately accessible. And this only applies to Konami and
Capcom properties. Which is probably more of a statement of "they haven't
decided how they're going to do it yet".

All it does is confirm that oldschool Nintendo classics, owned by Nintendo
will be part of the service. No surprise at all actually.

"A similar model applies to online gaming. Playing Nintendo titles across
the internet will be free, whereas third-party publishers will be able to
charge whatever subscription rates they wish."

"playing Nintendo Titles across the internet" probably means it'll use
Nintendo servers. Third parties will still have to provide some sort of
infrastructure to play *their* games online. This isn't the same as
"downloading oldschool content". This merely speaks to playing next gen
games across a network. Keep in mind they're two *completely* different
concepts. Much akin to Xbox Silver being free, allowing you to download
content, keep stats, etc, but Xbox GOLD being the service that you have to
pay for in order to actually *play* against other players online, and
download exclusive content, such as maps.

"Still, with a massive back-catalogue of titles and some key franchises that
gamers have been wanting to play online for some time - Mario Kart, to name
but one - it's unlikely the occasional fee for a third-party offering will
spoil Nintendo's idea too much. "

"the occasional fee"...like I said, there'll be some "pay to play" built in.
 
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"Krusty" <rspwkrusty@yahoo!.com> wrote in message
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> "Still, with a massive back-catalogue of titles and some key franchises
that
> gamers have been wanting to play online for some time - Mario Kart, to
name
> but one - it's unlikely the occasional fee for a third-party offering will
> spoil Nintendo's idea too much. "
>
> "the occasional fee"...like I said, there'll be some "pay to play" built
in.

The occasional fee for a _third party_ offering. Nintendo is saying
everything they offer will be free--everything. They're only allowing a pay
structure for other companies to use. There's no pay to play "built in",
it's an option, and Nintendo won't be using it.
 
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"Leon Dexter" <leondexterNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote...
> "Krusty" <rspwkrusty@yahoo!.com> wrote in message
> news:d7qiat$3ov8$1@news3.infoave.net...
>
>> "Still, with a massive back-catalogue of titles and some key franchises
> that
>> gamers have been wanting to play online for some time - Mario Kart, to
> name
>> but one - it's unlikely the occasional fee for a third-party offering
>> will
>> spoil Nintendo's idea too much. "
>>
>> "the occasional fee"...like I said, there'll be some "pay to play" built
> in.
>
> The occasional fee for a _third party_ offering. Nintendo is saying
> everything they offer will be free--everything. They're only allowing a
> pay
> structure for other companies to use. There's no pay to play "built in",
> it's an option, and Nintendo won't be using it.

That's exactly what I wrote.

I quoted the article about third parties charging "the occasional
fee"....like I said, there'll be some "pay to play" built in.
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Krusty <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote:

> I admit, I'll mark if they're cheap enough to get in something that's LCD,
> and I'd love to get one...but I've got 13 HD stations, and it's tough enough
> finding content in 1080i.

I saw a 60" RP-LCD set that was well under $3k and was capable of 1080p at the
local Costco (of all places). It was a even a major brand (Toshiba) and
not just one of their cheapie brands.
 
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