Xbox 720 Reportedly Due For 2013 Holiday Debut

[tacoslave]

Thats weird i thought soldier would start talking about how his rig smokes everything and how it most definitely exists and is totally not made up.

 

[ismaeljrp]

I think it will end up releasing for $399. There always has to be room for future pricecuts, to attract big sales.

 

[jaquith]

Snore, unless the graphics on the new Xbox provides 'PC quality' graphics at HD (1920x1080) resolution and at least 2xMSAA (or it's equivalent or preferably higher) anti-aliasing; both low res and jagged rendering are intolerable. I own two Xbox 360's and use them for Halo. Otherwise forget it and I don't care when or if it comes out.

Now what would be a very interesting option is a Xbox PC porting device in other words an 'Xbox PC component' that can be plugged into a 5.25” drive bay (BluRay drive) allowing the 'Xbox' can run on my PC... 😉

 

[Gundam288]

[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]MS wants to make money selling hardware and software. Go to most game stores and compare the number of consoles with AAA titles (any one) to those of PCs. There is almost nothing there. The publisher have gone where the money is.Its far easier to develop for a 2-3 consoles that are in closed systems than dealing with the various Windows and even Mac hardware configs... most PCs have generic graphics which are not going to do much gaming. Intel drivers are generally crap too.. what version of the driver does the user have? Do they have a virus? Is the CPU meeting standards, etc. yeah, the 360 and PS3 are hitting 8 years old, pretty much past their prime and WE SEE the effect they do to PC gaming. PC games do not look much, if ANY, than the consoles they were PORTED from!Newegg shows 48 MAC games, 1141 PC games (some of these are way old, casual games, educational), PS3 = 728 games, 360 = 730 games.What turns me OFF from PC games is the high level of DRM, which DOES NOT STOP piracy. Even a $5 4+ year old game is DRMed to death with limited installs or SecuROM crap. Stuff I wouldnt have to deal with on a console.Yes, I prefer my PC shooter games... better control, customization and more cheat abilities for single player modes when you get stuck. But I rarely buy a PC game. My GF has a PS2 and my son has a Wii... they simply work, most of the time. I still don't like it... So... if there are limited games for PC... then it doesn't MATTER about the price. You are bitching about a $500 console? A typical $500 PC won't compare for gaming. You need a $200~300 video card ALONE, a decent $50~100 PSU, etc, etc. How about this, a console easily plugs into the family tv... its tiny and easy to configure. A PC is made for a desk... Show me some of those titles we would love to have? Gears of War 2-3? Halo 3~4 and its sister titles? On and on... I am mad at MS so much over Windows8, lack of gaming support for the PC... I'll simply go PS3/4. They throw the name "xbox" onto almost anything.[/citation]

1. I'm not knocking consoles, I understand and know that corps. go to where the money is. It's not rocket sci..

2. One of my points was that with windows 8 MS is not always selling all the hardware from it's self, it may come from an OEM (Dell,HP, etc.) which might mean less money for MS than if they solid one of their consoles or one of their in-house Windows 8 tablets.

3.Me and a buddy built his PC gaming PC this year for $573.82 (including shipping + tax,etc) and it runs BF3 somewhere in-between high-ultra and does more than what he needed it to do. Which is why I'm saying cheap PC parts = inexpensive consoles. If we had tryed to build the same PC 3-4 years ago, it would have costed him at least 2 times more than that.

4. for the games that are only on console, that's on the dev's end for what platfourms they want to make the games for.

5. most people have a PC now-a-days, having a gaming PC for general use + gaming just cuts out some space + you can save some money unless you go overboard with it going for top of the line stuff.

6. When MS and Sony shutoff thier networks to thier older consoles you might not be able to use all the content you paid for. (see xbox 1 for more info. PS2 might still be running but making new accounts for certin games is imposable if they are still up and running) I went thru that once with Xbox 1 and it was more than just a headache.


Lot of games are just ported from consoles to PCs without even changing anything, I'm not denining that. But what you don't get is that consoles have piracy and DRM as well, modded consoles + accounts that may or may not be relient on the consoles network (Xbox LIVE, PSN, etc.) When thouse services go down, there is no more support from the publisher/devs for that game. PC tends to stay around longer than consoles do. Battlefield 2 (PC) and Battlefield 2: Modern Combat (Xbox1 + 360 HD version) they came out around the same time, with in months of each other, but on April 15 2010 MS shut down the Org. Xbox LIVE servers not allowing any org. xboxs games to be played on LIVE, even on a xbox 360, on August 11th, 2011 EA shut down Battlefield 2: modern combat for Xbox 360. Yet the PC version's servers are still up because other than the database/ranked stats server they are funded by the players directly. This is just 1 of many examples of how companys can mess with consoles. Granted it's not the best example but, it does prove the point that when a new console comes out they cam try to get rid of the old one by making it incompatable with the new system or just shutting down the old one.

 

[ddpruitt]

They'll probably have multiple launch options, cheapest being $399 ($349 if Sony happens to release a console in the same period). The launch window games will be $69.99 to help cover costs. Since we don't have any real hardware details yet this might change.

Over the years I've learned that if I want casual games that you can play at parties and stuff I'll get the Nintendo console. Serious stuff needs a PC, no less.

 

[ehanger]

They need to release the new xbox/playstation asap... current consoles are holding back game tech on the PC.

 

[Guest]

My current PC already outdates it and its a year out still, thats sad. I hate to think what hardware I will have this time next year to embarrass it even more.

 

[GoldenI]

Why would I waste money on a console when I can use the money I would spend on the 720 on some new parts for my computer, to turn it into a beast?

 

[josejones]

I'd to know if the new XBox 720 will start using SSD's rather than old school HD's? I doubt it but, I'd like to know, could they do that - would it improve performance on the XBox 720 consoles or no?

 

[GoldenI]

LOL, two Xbox fanboys negged my post.

 

[gti88]

GoldenI you can invest your money even better, if you spend $600 on some good books.

 

[computerguy72]

They should make a deal for the Oculus Rift and offer that as an option. How cool would that be??? They could accelerate the dev and production process easily if they wanted to and release for the holidays alongside the 720. Mix it with Kinect 2.0 and you really have next gen stuff. Just a thought.

 

[GoldenI]

[citation][nom]gti88[/nom]GoldenI you can invest your money even better, if you spend $600 on some good books.[/citation]
I already have a huge selection of books on my book shelf that are screaming to be read over the Christmas break.

 

[jimmysmitty]

[citation][nom]A Bad Day[/nom]There is no way MS could launch Xbox at that low price based on the components it has. And traditionally, console games tend to be more expensive than PC games, despite the fact that a lot more console games are ported to PC than the other way around. Care to explain why?[/citation]

You really think the components in it are high end? If anything its probably going to be close to the cost of our low-mid end PC gear if anything if any of the specs are true.

Plus its supposed to be based on the HD6K series which is VLIW5 and probably very cheap to make now since it has had time to mature.

 

[jimmysmitty]

[citation][nom]josejones[/nom]I'd to know if the new XBox 720 will start using SSD's rather than old school HD's? I doubt it but, I'd like to know, could they do that - would it improve performance on the XBox 720 consoles or no?[/citation]

It would improve loading performance only, not gaming performance. The one issue though is that SSDs still have very limited write cycles and since the cheaper the NAND you use, the less it lasts I doubt it will be used until it is cost efficient which for now, it still not.

 

[10tacle]

[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]It would improve loading performance only, not gaming performance[/citation]

That's not entirely true. Some games will perform better with an SSD. While it won't increase frame rates obviously, it can help speed up texture loading and map drawing times. I've seen a noticeable improvement in Flight Simulator X and F1 2012 with long distance scenery drawing (ground textures in FSX load quicker in the distance as does car traffic and distant scenery in F1). I couldn't really notice a difference in shooters like Crysis 2 and BF3 however.

 

[tomfreak]

console is pretty much the half death thing already. Mobile console are totally killed by smartphones/tablet device, now why wouldn't a tablet able to threaten a full size console in a few years later? the only reason console game sell so well is because a lot of people are still having their old consoles 360/PS3. This can change a lot in a few years. It will be even less reason to get a console when Xbox720/PS4 decide to be not backward compatible

I recon the PC desktop is probably going to last a lot longer than consoles, since it is a "machine that is not just for gaming" If console were to survive they need to be a PC. I would happy to pick a console if it is also a web browsing/mediaplayer/productivity device like a PC.

 

[kinggraves]

[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]It would improve loading performance only, not gaming performance. The one issue though is that SSDs still have very limited write cycles and since the cheaper the NAND you use, the less it lasts I doubt it will be used until it is cost efficient which for now, it still not.[/citation]

For the record, the Wii U already uses a flash based storage drive, I don't see why MS wouldn't do the same. Your view on SSDs is several years outdated. Improvements in firmware have lessened the amount of true erase cycles so most consider them a pretty safe investment outside of size limits. Games do not really require a lot of writes. You write the game once to the drive, then it is read when you play it. Set the game saves to an SD card and where's the write cycles? Improvements brought by an SSD in a console are not only load times, but the lessened heat they produce in a tiny chassis and the low electricity draw. Both are serious concerns for a console, especially with the XBox and their heating issues. I would not consider a system using a mag drive as primary storage to be a next gen console.

 

[anastasios912]

I'm a PC gamer but if the 720 was $299 I would definitely buy it at launch, especially if it had good media center functionality...

Might be too good to be true but if anyone can do it, M$ can.