1:1 FSB : Ram ratio. Is it necessary for Q9550?

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You are clearly confused.

But here's a simple question for you.

Since you say its obvious the "industry convention" has a certain way to label its products, tell me, what is the ratio for Q9450 using DDR3 1333 memory?
 
Grimmy I think after two pages if your not quite absorbing something or basically don't understand something that's been rehashed at least half a dozen times, it's time to do what you always do when things get tough, simply give up and think about what mummy's making for dinner.
 
Hi everyone, I've tried reading through this topic to understand it but I don't. So can I have a simple answer to this simply phrased (if nothing else) question: I want to buy a Q9550. I am not interested in overclocking. What speed DDR2 RAM do I need to match the processor?

Q9550 has FSB of 1333MHz = 333MHz, I don't know what the multiplier is though, or even if the multiplier has any effect on what RAM I should buy.

PC2-5400 = 667MHz = 333MHz

OR

PC2-6400 = 800MHz = 400MHz

I want the ratio of 1:1, so I expect the computer will slightly lower the RAM speed in order to match the FSB (which is OK, isn't it?). I think the answer to my question is the PC2-5400 RAM (as 333MHz is closest to 333MHz), but I wanted to check. I can, however, get PC2-6400 RAM for the same price as I can get PC2-5400.

Am looking at the following RAM, they are same spec but Team Elite is 10euros cheaper than the G.Skill RAM - is Team Elite not as good a make as G.Skill?

http://www.memoryc.com/computermemory/ddr2ram/4gbteamelite6400cl5kit.html
http://www.memoryc.com/products/description/4Gb_G_Skill_DDR2_PC2_6400_PQ_CL5_Series_800MHz_Dual_Channel_kit/index.html

I hope I've got those numbers right, I don't claim any expertise in this sort of thing, but I do try!

Many thanks in advance for any and all help. :)
 


Your problem was with Sportsfanboy. And after seeing 2 pages of gibberish comments you made, I'm pretty much convinced you don't even know what your talking about, and perhaps can't even answer my question.

Oh, so that is what you do in tough times, eh? I hope you got liver and onions. 😛
 


Either will work fine. The DDR2 667, you wouldn't have to adjust the rated FSB . DDR2 800, you would have to adjust the rated FSB in the bios to get 1:1 ratio, or you could just run it at advertised speed for 1:2 ratio.
 
Oh I know what I'm talking about, not that this issue takes any brain power to absorb, but I guess you must have a little to have a chance. Why it's so perplexing is strange and for those that don't believe there is an industry convention type in "1:1 cpu ram ratio" to google search and you'll see plenty of posts regarding this term.
Then again if your ego is too big for reality I suppose you could live in denial, maybe denial comes easier when you've been sitting in front of a pov pack computer for all your life.
 


No.. I don't believe you. Sorry. And I think your in denial that your ego is too big for you to handle since you can't stop posting, so you can keep insulting me or anyone else who may disagree with you.

All I did was ask a question. You couldn't answer it, and instead, you just wanna entertain yourself with your self stimulation.
 
The amusing thing is grimmy it's already been answered more than once in this thread. I had a neighbours dog once that got clobbered over the head with a spade for digging under the fence, then he broke his leg digging under the fence, then some kid cracked him on the snout with a bat for the same thing and then finally he got his head crushed with an excavator bucket for guess what? Digging under the fence. Some of gods creatures arent good at learning, hey thats life.
 
I won't actually have to adjust the speed down to get 1:1 ration will I? The computer should do that automatically to make it 1:1, I thought...

I think the RAM I currently have is faster than my CPU's FSB, but when I look in CPU-Z program it shows the ratio is 1:1 and the RAM running at a lower speed than it's stock speed.
 
DDR2 800 at advertise speed can give you a 1600mhz rated FSB, which is faster then the Q9550 1333 rated FSB.

With DDR2 800, for a 1:1 ratio, yes you will have to run it slower (667 DDR2 speed). If you run it as it, it will be 1:2 or 5:6 ratio, I believe.

Can put a link for your validation CPU-Z link?
 
^I was gonna say that he would have to lower it as well. MY mobo set my memory to DDR2 800 right away because even though it says its DDR2 1066 its just DDR2 800 speced a bit higher.

So yes you have to manually set the BIOS to the 1:1 ratio FSB with the memory.
 


I find it amusing that you'd stoop slow low to insult my avatar. :lol:

You must really think I'm attached to that, eh?

The other amusing thing to me, is that even though you say you've answered my question, doesn't mean it's correct. From all the gibberish you added, the only thing I can conclude is that you think a CPU with a 1333 FSB will run 1:1 ratio with DDR3 1333 memory.

If that is what you think, your wrong. To explain it the correct way:

DDR3 1333 - actual memory speed is 666MHz (data rate) although the way DDR operates means it can double (2x) the data rate, 2x666 = 1333.

The actual FSB is Quad Data Rate (4x), a FSB of 1333 is only actually running at a speed of 333MHz (data rate) but because its QDR it effectively quadrupal (4x) the data rate 4x333 = 1333.

Soooooooo...

The Memory is basically working at 2x666 and the FSB 4x333. That gives a 2:1 ratio (666:333) DRAM (Memory)/FSB.

That was the answer I was expecting to get, but no matter, you simply could not explain it.

Edit:

Oh.. lookie, heres Vertigon trying explain 1:1 ratio using a divider on this thread:

Q9450 and FSB 1333





Tell me Vertigon, how do ya get a ratio of 1:1 when your running your ram slower, and why you think you have no headroom? 666mhz is an aweful long ways from 450mhz.
 
Lol you really are thick aren't you. This is what I said on the previous page:

"Sure along the way there are things known as multipliers, clock cycles and quad pumping etc. If we chose to be silly about we could say our E8400 is really at 333 Mhz, along with our RAM at 333 Mhz, but we don't do we?"

And finally 2 days later when you've actually gone away and done some research you come up with:

"The actual FSB is Quad Data Rate (4x), a FSB of 1333 is only actually running at a speed of 333MHz (data rate) but because its QDR it effectively quadrupal (4x) the data rate 4x333 = 1333."

Do you really think people who have been following this thread have all of a sudden forgotten entirely whats on the first page? ....bwahahahahaha

And then you go onto to state the same thing that's already been outlined a dozen times in this thread:

"The Memory is basically working at 2x666 and the FSB 4x333. That gives a 2:1 ratio (666:333) DRAM (Memory)/FSB."

The problem is mentally you can't get past the DDR/FSB relationship, I think people like you seem to find some sort of miracle in the idea that you can divide one number in half, which most of us got past as a child and never made a big deal out of. The problem is your at an infantile stage in your knowledge of memory because by now we should be talking about IC's and latency etc.

You've spent all this time questioning "industry convention" yet there are heaps of posts on it when you do a google search and we still have people coming into this forum wanting to know how to run their RAM 1:1 with the cpu. Funny how your not debating industry convention anymore grimmy, lol, see you tool I was right.

Your in fact SOOOO stupid that you try and misquote something from an entirely different thread, hoping people are as ignorant as you and will just "believe" your dribble. As I said in a previous post:

"Why on earth do you think they term memory this way:

DDR3 DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) or:

DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) or:

DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

See, 3 version of DDR3 all with a different bandwidth."

For anyone who doesnt know what the PC3 10600 spec mean it simply relates to the bandwidth of the ram eg 10600=1333x8 meaning transfers x the number of bits in a byte (8) (to the nearest 100).

So if you think the overall bandwidth of a RAM module doesn't put a ceiling on overclocking, your a vegetable. If going by your stupid logic we said 450mhz is far away from 666mhz, that would mean anyone could buy the cheapest crappiest ram, and never need to overvolt it and still expect 100% reliability from it. Maybe you can show us some examples of good clocks where they basically left the RAM in its native settings. You won't find one. Your really in the toilet now grimmy after that stupid remark.

Have a look at the RAM overvolt in anandtech's review:+(0.55V)

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3190&p=16

and they were using OCZ DDR3 PC3-14400 (DDR-1800) Platinum Edition
2x1GB, yes 2x1GB modules.

Maybe you can email anandtech and tell them your RAM theory, and post their reply so we can all laugh our heads off. bwahahahahahahahaha

 
Q9300 = 1333 mhz rated FSB

No different then a Q9450, Q9550, or any CPU that is 1333 mhz:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300

req : 2500.04 MHz (333.34 * 7.5)
RAM Speed : 666.7 MHz (1:2) @ 7-7-7-24

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If that doesn't explain anything to you about memory speed and your FSB speed for the CPU, then you are a **** moron.
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......what tangent have you gone off on now? What you dont have a point so you paste up that crap? What point have you made in that last post that hasn't already been made? Hmm? Your stuck aren't you Grimmy? That's why you keep hashing up the same old dribble. So typical of you grimmy, why don't we summarise this debate so far so you can actaully comprehend the silly position your in right now. Confirm these questions:

Grimmy do you now acknowledge people do actually enquire about running there RAM 1:1 with the cpu?

Grimmy do you now acknowledge there is an industry convention used to address this as per the newegg memory links above?

Grimmy do you acknowledge that DDR3 PC-16000 runs at a higher bandwidth than DDR3 PC-10600?

Grimmy in a previous post you said: "666mhz is an aweful long ways from 450mhz."......so according to your logic people shouldn't have to touch the settings for their RAM until they at least reach 667mhz.....but every overclocker knows settings have to be tweaked long before that. Funny how you couldn't address the overvolt I posted in the anandtech review...bwahahahaha.....hmmm what words of dribble have you got for that?

STOP rehashing stuff we have already been through a million times because you have nothing further to add. Why don't you be woman enough to say "I don't know much more about RAM other than to divide one number in half, sorry for pretending I know something worthwhile about RAM"......at least that way we could respect you for your honesty if nothing else.

YOU BEEN OWNED.
 
"Grimmyhttp: man, let it go... Convincing him of anything is like trying to tell a crack head drugs are bad for you. "

YOU GOT OWNED AGES AGO

ps. are you and grimmy in a loving relationship or something? how romantic defending your girlfriend in a forum lol.
 
How is asking someone to stop talking to a complete idiot, make them gay?

You have some deep routed issues, for just thinking in that direction.

Your problems stem way further than your inability to reason, and understand computer tech.

You might want to consider counseling.

Owned is a term I used when I was a kid playing an online game...

Grow up and get a life, and a clue
 
So...is there any problem with running RAM at 2:1 ratio rather than 1:1. Any instability or anything? I know that everyone says 1:1 is the ideal, so there must be some reason for saying that? But, if it really makes little difference, then I'm fine with that! :)

And will you please stop arguing, agree to disagree, because you're clearly not going to suceed in convincing each other you're right. I don't want to get involved...but thought I'd try some peacekeeping!
 
"I want to buy a Q9550. I am not interested in overclocking. "
"...but thought I'd try some peacekeeping! ".....very admirable jones, we need more stable people around here.
There's nothing wrong in running your memory with a divider, especially these days when alot of new machines are being built with 4GB +, which makes a nice buffer even for a remotely quick cpu. Even if you were to purchase DDR3 pc10600 1333Mhz ram you'd still have to run it with a divider if you bumped the FSB up to 400Mhz, give or take a bit depending on the quality of the RAM. Some people like to opt for it because the higher end DDR2 modules eg. corsiar dominator can cost as much or more than DDR3, so it makes sense to opt for the higher bandwidth and run 1:1. If your not going to overclock and getting 2GB or more then go for it.
 


You got some serious issues. Your are a **** moron.



Well.. when people do ask about it, and your there to answer it, I hope they know your a **** moron.




Your asking a question you don't even understand yourself because your a **** moron.



Never said it wasn't, and you can't even ask a proper question. And you can't seem to get that DDR3 1333 runs at 667mhz, **** moron. And you couldn't even figure that out on the CPU-Z shot. I guess you never even heard of that program. And if you did, you prolly don't even understand what it is telling you. You know why? Cause your a **** moron.



If you can't understand ratio's, your a **** moron. Your Bus speed 333 (1333 rated fsb for the CPU) is slower then 667mhz which your **** RAM runs at advertised speed. Again your a **** moron.



We haven't been though it a millions times you **** moron. Perhaps you gone through it a million **** times through your own **** morantic brain.



Is that the best you can do?

I hope everyone gets a chance to read this thread to really find out what kind of PHUCKING MORON you really are.
 
WOOOOOOOOTTTTTTT WOOOOOOOOTTTT GRIMMY'S LOST THE PLOT!!!!!!!!!

.....hmmm you sound a little "preturbed" grimmy. I guess most people would be if they were exposed as a hardcore ****wit.

bwahahahahaha.......is this how you operate Grimmy? Not woman enough to admit your wrong so you resort to swearing, no wonder people are always questioning what you say. Early on in the very first page of this thread jimmy states:

^Thtas funny considering Iam runnin a 1:1 FSB with my memory on a 333MHz FSB x 4 @ 1333MHz. And CPU-Z states it too.

Which would be enough for anyone who understood how ram works. But NOOO not you, almost 100 posts later you write:

The actual FSB is Quad Data Rate (4x), a FSB of 1333 is only actually running at a speed of 333MHz (data rate) but because its QDR it effectively quadrupal (4x) the data rate 4x333 = 1333.

Lol you actually had to go away and research it, to come up with what? Same thing that jimmy told us on page one......bwahahahahaha

Then I try and explain to you what bandwidth and convention is on page 2 and you reply with:

"Since you say its obvious the "industry convention" has a certain way to label its products, tell me, what is the ratio for Q9450 using DDR3 1333 memory?"

You actually even doubt the industry has a convention by using quotation marks even though it's displayed on every online retailers website for the both the cpu and RAM, and a million posts on google, then you go on AGAIN asking about the ratio for 1333Mhz memory even after jimmy has outlined everything for you on page 1.

Then being the donkey you are, you actually say this "666mhz is an aweful long ways from 450mhz." , so asked then why anandtech had to overvolt its DDR3 PC3-14400, a high bandwidth module on both the 400Mhz and 450Mhz benches, you can't even reply, because your too stupid to, maybe your brain began to overheat looping around in circles trying to resolve the illogic bwahahahahaha

So after trying to move this convo on, I try getting on to latency's, IC's etc but what do you have in reply......

"And you couldn't even figure that out on the CPU-Z shot. I guess you never even heard of that program."

lol....bwahahahaha.... your telling someone who's clocked their machine past 4Ghz on the stock cooler I might add they havent heard of cpu-z, a program just about every newbie downloads. If you actually had half an idea you'd be refering to memset, something alot more relevant to memory than cpu-z. By the way I have cpu-z and gpu-z on my desktop, memset too.

So after 3 pages we've worked out you don't understand latency, which IC's are clocking better, bandwidth and basic convention.

What's your next post going to be about Grimmy? Are you going to impress us by dividing a number in half, AGAIN???????????

AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN????????????

We've had 3 pages of it, it was resolved in jimmys first post and if you do it again I will be suggesting to sportsfanboy he find himself a smarter woman, which would be too easy.

YOU BEEN OWNED
 
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