[SOLVED] 2080ti and i7 4790k.

[JerrWolf]

Hello, I was wondering about upgrading my PC and would like input from people more experienced than I am.
I currently have a 980ti and an i7 4790k.
Neither are overclocked.
I run 1440p resolution and 144hz and am not happy with the FPS or the graphics quality, to be honest. (I hadn't been for a while but I may get some money soon).

A friend of mine has a laptop with I think the laptop version of Nvidia's 1080 and the games I see him play looks so much better than mine, in 1080p. Yet I have 1440p and a 980ti.
(Smaller screen than I do, so pixel density might be a reason too)

My questions are as followed.
1. Will a 2080ti bottleneck my CPU?
1.5. Should I even bother with a 2080ti with that CPU and 16gbs of 1333hz DDR3 ram?
2. What specs would you recommend to pair with a 2080ti? (I'd need to upgrade the Mobo to go past an i7 5xxx CPU or past DRR3 RAM)
(If you specify a brand, please explain why that one in particular)

For Reference of what I play, mainly MMOs like Final Fantasy XIV or Guild Wars 2. Online games like Destiny 2 or Warframe, and single player games like The Witcher 3 and

 

[Hellfire13]

Just dont bother. 2080ti is too powerful for that CPU. It will even struggle with a 1080ti...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k6heVCRwhlR9aAHxY5TVrDlu_rPK-X5oaafIPNXuAMM/edit#gid=0

You need a modern platform like Intel Coffeelake ir AMD Ryzen. Both are pretty good.

 

[-Fran-]

I am of the complete opposite opinion.

If you don't buy the 2080ti, you'll feel miserable until you spend 2x times the money on the 2080ti AND a faster underlying platform.

Just buy the 2080ti, be amazed by the increased FPS and when you think you want to upgrade the rest, do it.

Now, I'd still recommend you OC the i7 so the bottleneck is lessened, so invest a bit on a proper cooler for it, additionally to the 2080ti. IF you buy a proper cooling solution, you'll be able to use it on your new platform as well, so there's no waste of money here.

Cheers!

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

Just dont bother. 2080ti is too powerful for that CPU. It will even struggle with a 1080ti...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k6heVCRwhlR9aAHxY5TVrDlu_rPK-X5oaafIPNXuAMM/edit#gid=0

+1...

 

[Hellfire13]

I am of the complete opposite opinion.

If you don't buy the 2080ti, you'll feel miserable until you spend 2x times the money on the 2080ti AND a faster underlying platform.

Just buy the 2080ti, be amazed by the increased FPS and when you think you want to upgrade the rest, do it.

Now, I'd still recommend you OC the i7 so the bottleneck is lessened, so invest a bit on a proper cooler for it, additionally to the 2080ti. IF you buy a proper cooling solution, you'll be able to use it on your new platform as well, so there's no waste of money here.

Cheers!

There will be improvement ofcourse, but only to the tune of the fastest card it can support without limiting it, which is like a 1080/1070ti. The extra $$ you paid for the 2080ti will be wasted potential. Unless of course you carry the card forward to the next build.

 

[Kkkk1]

You will certainly see an improvement over the 980Ti but as is mentioned above your CPU will definitely be a bottleneck. I had a 1080Ti with my overclocked i7 4770K @4.4ghz and that was OK JUST in some games but did slightly limit my card in others. I wouldn't go any higher than 1080Ti or standard 2080 otherwise you're just throwing money away.

 

[JerrWolf]

Sorry for late replies, was busy with work.
So according to that Google Sheets, and the fact I mainly play CPU heavy games, it would bottleneck.

And what everyone here seems to say is that it would be wasted value in a sense. (If I buy something new, it'd carry over, but honestly, I'd prefer to buy it all at once, it'd feel like christmas day that way Haha.)

So is the best gaming CPU right now to get the cpu right now the 9900k? Or was the one before it a better value?
I heard Intel is better for gaming even still since its better single thread performance over Ryzen.

Does this count for MMO games? Most benchmarks never test MMO games. Just the "popular" games like Battlefield or what have you.

 

[Hellfire13]

MMO games are mostly CPU intensive and they will take all the cores you have on offer.
The one before 9900k was 8700k. They will mostly perform equally on most benchmarks right now, but down the line the 9900k will definitely outlast the 8700k. So for the price they respectively sell at, they are more or less of equal value, for eg. if 8700k can give you 4 yrs for the price it sells, 9900k can give you 6 yrs at its price.
Intel has been mostly superior in games upto now due to its faster cores, but the new Ryzen launching in a few days can give it a run for its money. We can only know for sure, once they are out and reviewed extensively.

 

[Kkkk1]

I had the same dilemma, it was a toss up between Ryzen 2700X, 9900k and 9700k. Basically i bought the 9700K OC@5Ghz. I performs much better then Ryzen due to the frequency of the cores. The only issue with the 9700k is there is no Hyperthreading but I do have a full 8 physical cores to play with and when you facter the cost into the equation for me it was a no brainer. 9700K at 5Ghz really really rocks.

 

[JerrWolf]

MMO games are mostly CPU intensive and they will take all the cores you have on offer.
The one before 9900k was 8700k. They will mostly perform equally on most benchmarks right now, but down the line the 9900k will definitely outlast the 8700k. So for the price they respectively sell at, they are more or less of equal value, for eg. if 8700k can give you 4 yrs for the price it sells, 9900k can give you 6 yrs at its price.
Intel has been mostly superior in games upto now due to its faster cores, but the new Ryzen launching in a few days can give it a run for its money. We can only know for sure, once they are out and reviewed extensively.

So a new Ryzen chip will be out soon, what about the ones currently out? Are they any match for the 9xxx series in terms of usage for MMO games?

 

[dphotog]

RTX Super GPUS will be announced soon if you want to wait and get something thats a bit cheaper than say the RTX 2080ti youd save a boat load of money. If you are building and want to go intel anything above a 8700k with a 2080ti. If you decide to go Ryzen anything above the new 3700x cpus to pair with a 2080ti other wise you most likely bottle neck. Personally Im going to wait for the annoucements and most likely pick up a 2080 super only because my monitor is a Gsync only monitor even though im going with a Ryzen build (3900x 12 cores 24 thread) If I had any other kind of monitor i might pick up the new AMD graphics cards but that decision would also be pending based on the fact that were not sure on benchmarks yet but 7nm technology is a pretty attractive component even without 3rd party scores.

 

[Hellfire13]

So a new Ryzen chip will be out soon, what about the ones currently out? Are they any match for the 9xxx series in terms of usage for MMO games?

Nope.

 

[JerrWolf]

RTX Super GPUS will be announced soon if you want to wait and get something thats a bit cheaper than say the RTX 2080ti youd save a boat load of money. If you are building and want to go intel anything above a 8700k with a 2080ti. If you decide to go Ryzen anything above the new 3700x cpus to pair with a 2080ti other wise you most likely bottle neck. Personally Im going to wait for the annoucements and most likely pick up a 2080 super only because my monitor is a Gsync only monitor even though im going with a Ryzen build (3900x 12 cores 24 thread) If I had any other kind of monitor i might pick up the new AMD graphics cards but that decision would also be pending based on the fact that were not sure on benchmarks yet but 7nm technology is a pretty attractive component even without 3rd party scores.

I'll look into these Super cards you mentioned. And see what the Bench Marks are. Thanks.
I'll probably stick with Intel, unless someone mentions how much better AMD CPU is with MMO games.

 

[Hellfire13]

Not better, but close.

 

[JerrWolf]

Not better, but close.

Do you have an article or some info that explains the differences between Intel and AMD in terms of gaming performance by chance? So I could have a better Idea moving forward.

 

[Hellfire13]

Here's a selection of test results specifically for the Ryzen 2700X that were impacted by deactivating Ryzen Master Game Mode and thus utilizing all Ryzen cores. What you'll see below is the initial performance advantage the Intel 9900K had with Game Mode on, followed by the performance advantage with Game Mode off:

• Total War: Warhammer II (Laboratory): 51.9% to 17.8%
• Gears of War 4: 42.9% to 26.2%
• Ashes of the Singularity: 57.2% to 17.7%
• Forza Motorsport 7: 34.9% to 14.2%
• Assassin's Creed Origins: 41.7% to 12.3%

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...-benchmarks-look-much-worse-now/#d0de92a108e8

 

[-Fran-]

At this point, if you're willing to spend money on a new system altogether, wait for the 7th of July to check the Ry3K bench numbers. If you pull the trigger now, unless it's an AMAZING deal (or you live near Microcenter, lol), you will most likely regret it dearly.

I'm confident in saying AMD will reach parity on performance to Intel, or at the very least be really close, and being cheaper (slightly). My only caveat will be if the Ry3K gen is indeed good, the prices will inflate right after the benchies land.

Cheers!

 

[JerrWolf]

At this point, if you're willing to spend money on a new system altogether, wait for the 7th of July to check the Ry3K bench numbers. If you pull the trigger now, unless it's an AMAZING deal (or you live near Microcenter, lol), you will most likely regret it dearly.

I'm confident in saying AMD will reach parity on performance to Intel, or at the very least be really close, and being cheaper (slightly). My only caveat will be if the Ry3K gen is indeed good, the prices will inflate right after the benchies land.

Cheers!

Okay, I'll wait around till then to see what its like. Thanks for the info!

 

[marnes]

So I was in the same boat as you, except I had a 4790K with a 970GTX (slower card).

I upgraded to a 2080 Ti and was able to push 4K gaming, but not as fast as the benchmarks. I had to drop some quality settings but was able to play Kingdom Come Deliverance at 4k 60hz (barely), Control at 1440p with Ray tracing, and Borderlands 3 at 1440p at badass (above ultra), but 4K with a lot of settings reduced couldn't manage 60.

Then I later upgraded to a new mobo, 9900K -- I never overclock anything. Not worth the hassle for what generally becomes stability/heat issues. And in Borderlands 3, I'm able to play 4K Ultra at about 75fps -- with volumetric shadowing dropped down a single notch.

Overall, I'm getting 50% more fps with the mobo/cpu/ram upgrade. But unless you have a 4K monitor, I doubt you need to upgrade. The 4790K is an excellent processor. I wonder if I had performed a mobo firmware update on my older system if I might have seen some improved performance. But as far as I can tell, the performance difference doesn't make sense to me based on numerical stats. In order to enable ray tracing in Control, I had to upgrade to Windows 10 update 1903 and Nvidia drivers.