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$2,000 Capturing and Editing build: 1800X vs 7700K vs 6850K

I'm looking to spend around $2K on building a PC that will mostly be used for Capturing, Streaming, Content creation and Editing video. I'm at a loss for which parts to choose.

I'm not sure which CPU to choose now that AMD has the 1800X. And I do plan on running a GPU (either 1080 or 1080TI or dual GPUs if that is worth it), but I am not sure which choice is best. Will most of the load be handed to the GPU so I'm better off spending more budget on the GPU? And will losing PCI lanes cause me problems in the long run? And do I worry about onboard graphics on the CPU?

I need to put at least 1 capture card in the rig. I honestly don't care about the case aesthetic. I would like to have more than 1 capture card, but if that doesn't fit into the build cost, I can add one later. I would prefer PCI capture card. But I also need multiple USB 3.0 ports, an SD card reader. I would like to have USB C as well.

And I would want to run as much RAM as possible. Standard SSD over M.2 because it doesn't seem like performance/$ is worth it yet.

Does anyone have some suggestions?
 
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Nah, stick with what I listed, the X370 boards are about 50% pricier and don't offer much difference tbh.
You might get a 0.1GHz further OC, but that's not worth $50.
So in conclusion, you have your peripherals and we're waiting on aftermarket 1080tis. 😛
Here's an updated list again.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor ($396.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($214.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($177.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Founders Edition Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.89 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($341.99 @ Amazon)
Other: Rosewill RDCR-11004 - Data Hub for 5.25" Drive Bays - Two USB 3.0 ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2275.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-17 20:30 EDT-0400
 
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Sweet, Looks like the monitor price went down too.

Is that 1080TI available now? Should I wait to get one?

The reason I was considering the other motherboard was more for the extra USB 3 ports. And the ability for SLI GPU configuration support. .. reality is I am saving $50 on the monitor so maybe dumping that money into the motherboard isn't a bad idea?

Also, do you have a recommendation for a non-external capture card I can put in it? (does not have to be included in the budget - just trying to get an idea on what I might have to spend and whether I should buy an external Epiphan AVIO USB card first.)

Thanks again!

P.S. the Logitech G900 mouse arrived today.
 
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Nevermind on the 1080TI. Just read it was the founder edition.

Any estimate on when the alternative 1080TI cards will be available?

Also, I think the 1700X should come with a stock cooler. Do you think the cooler you listed is going to be more quiet or run cooler?

Also saw RAM upgraded to 2x16 which is dope cause I can slam another 32GB into the board later in life.
 
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I think I found the answer to the cooler question. I was watching a video from Kyle from Bitwite but he was talking about the 1700 which is 65W but the stock cooler it comes with is 95W.

I assume the 1700X and 1800X come with 95W coolers also but they are 95W
 
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The aftermarket cards should release in the next few weeks, early April at the latest.
They come with the wraith cooler afaik, but its still pretty poor.
That rating is what AMD provides, and is an indication that it can dissipate 95w of heat before reaching very high temps. you still want an aftermarket cooler.
Upgrade to the mobo if you want to go SLI, you can just get a USB hub if you want ports.
 
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I am doing the same - building for 2000-2500$ - purpose being (going from mostly needed to less):
1. 3ds Max+Vray
2. gaming+streaming
3. video editing and youtube content creation

I've decided to go Ryzen 1700 and 1080Ti for this purpose. I've seen many reviews. The 1700 matches 1800x (it's basically same chip when overclocked). I would go Intel but I'd get only 4 cores from 7700k, and 6900K is too expensive. Also, going Ryzen allows fitting the 1080Ti into the rig (budget wise).
 
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I want to build a similar pc with the option to upgrade another gpu a year later. I will probably wait for the Asus Strix 1080ti.
It uses 2.5 slots. Which mainboard do I have to get to support possible two of those cards.

Sry I don't want to disturb your conservation but I thought it would kinda fit. These aftermarket versions should release very soon since you can preorder them at some stores right now.
 
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Yes I mean PCIE coming off the case rather than a USB cable. I do have an Avermedia Live Gamer Portable that is USB, but I'm looking to build at least one into the case. I'm going to need 3 but I want at least 1 to be USB so I can use it with my laptops as well.

I'll go on a hunt. I checked the Epiphan prices and they are ridiculous. Their USB cards are already priced super high at $400+ and the PCIE cards are overa $1,000. So that's out of the question.
 
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Blackmagic Design DeckLink Mini Recorder 4K - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1281032&gclid=CjwKEAjwtbPGBRDhoLaqn6HknWsSJABR-o5shWNVQItBf0Ss8IreO13NuBAExuANTdbInfyM7jZjrBoCDN7w_wcB&Q=&ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876%2C92051678762%2C&is=REG&A=details

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i'm going to throw my 2 cents in here, having built 2 rigs for video editing.

the 1st attempt ran an i7-4790 with 4 cores and turbo boosted to 4.0, and clock frequency is as important as number of cores. Rendering a 40-45 GB file in 1920x1080 ran 55-70 minutes, dependent on the format of the video. I was using Handbrake to render, which is a core hog program (it used all 4 cores at 98-100% load or usage) to render those files.

I also use software (Camtasia Studio) that captures from the screen, so to record a file i'd have to first play that file on-screen. It is not a core hog, but just slow in rendering, as it records in a "proprietary" format, you have to render the captured file within Camtasia - a 1.5 hour file would take generally 1.5+ hours to render. Camtasia is not core happy, even on the new rig, i only see generally 37-40% cpu usage or load

When i finally moved to a 4k display i was a little shocked at the size of the capture files - last night a 1.39 hour file, ran 102 GB, captured in 4k as opposed to 45-60GB on the 1080 display. Some files have run 115 to 120 GB

Point of all this - for $2k you're not going to be able to build a system that you'll be happy with for long. I ended up building a rig i was hoping to keep under $3k - it ended up running $4800, including the value of the display. The new system in my signature below.

Rendering a 40-45 GB file down to a 5-6GB MP4 file takes 13-17 minutes using Handbrake vs the 55-70 minutes on the 4790 with only 4 cores (the new system with the 5960X has 8 cores). Capturing a movie on screen and rendering down to a 1920x1080 mp4 file still takes, generally 1 min/GB

the system you're looking at building will end up being more costly in terms of time to render than you'll be happy with. Just looking at the difference in render times using Handbrake on the new system, and considering i do generally 1 file a night (5-6 nights a week), i'm saving approx 30 minutes per file or 2.5 hours+ a week The newer rig also means i can do 2-3 files a night vs 1/night with the 4790 cpu.

the times described above are also based on an 8GB GPU and 64 GB of DDR4 ram - you'd be foolish to run less than 32 GB. Hell, just the 4K screen is going to run approx $400 at the low end. And you'll need one extra SSD to use as a video "worktable" ie, record to one SSD, and render to the 2nd.

Just a suggestion, but i'd save my money till you can build a system that you'll be happy with for 3-5 years
 
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You must be doing something wrong.

I wouldn't use camtasia a a screen recorder. Look into something like Apowersoft or something like VLC or OBS usually have built in recorders.

But also this another reason for using a dedicated capture card rather than screen recording as tou are.

I can currently edit 4K footage and render with the laptops I have. If I complete the build listed it will be sufficient for my needs. The only issues I have now are scrubbing and playback latency and very very long render times.

You seem to be recording in a manner that is sub-optimal and causing unnecessary use. Also likely illegal, not that I am a huge proponent of thr DMCA...

I personally will never be in the position where I am trying to capture movies in the manner you are.

But I appreciate your input.
 
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THANKS but i've never been able to get VLC to work for me capturing - don't care to tell how many hours i spent messing with it, researching, re-installing etc

plus camtasia gives me some editing capabilities i like. As to "something less than optimal", if you're referring to the camtasia times, nope - there are a number of folks complaining on the camtasia forums about the very subject and one of the engineers posted a series of "tweaks" that did zilch to reduce render times.
 
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I meant using camtasia in general.

A lot of the other software also has built in editing.

You should be able to go into your settings and adjust things like recording format, codec, bitrate, frame rate/fps, etc. which will help with your file size.

Again, I would look to something like Apowersoft or OBS or XSplit. It sounds like Camtasia has issues.

But this is also another reason to have a dedicated capture card. Many will capture on their own storage while passing the signal thru which sounds like it may be better for what you are doing.

My capturing will be more for passing a signal thru to internal software for streaming. Those devices will typically be recording internally for editing later, while the "live" signal passes thru software and out to a stream. When I capture recordings to be edited I usually use a dedicated external capture device. But I also don't capture those at 4K. The only time I use Screen Capture/Screen recording software that records my PC display/audio is when I am capturing something I'm trying to share that is my own content, not statically recording something to "rip".


A single minute of ProRes UHD file (3840 x 2160) is around 5.3 GB (880 Mbits/s). A single hour of 4K footage is a whopping 318 GB. 25 hours of 4K ProRes equals roughly 7.76 TB

That is all dependent on the settings chosen. But you should be able to work with these files. The larger/longer the file the more your rig is going to struggle. You may want to see if you can set it to loop record or continue recording once the maximum file size is reached and turn your file size down so you have a lot of smaller files rather than 1 giant file. Then compile those files together in your editor before you render. Render time will still be long, but it may make working with the files easier. ... I don't know your workflow.
 
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That is basically the USB version of the PCIE card I lister from B&H. If you click into that newegg listing and then choose the 60 Pro option New Egg is listing it for $289, but B&H has it listed for $199.95 so if I go PCIE I think buying that card from B&H is the best option. It's $10 more and is PCIE.

If I buy another USB before buying the PCIE I will consider it though. I went down the rabbit hole last night and have a bunch of them saved on Amazon under a list for later searching. The problem is that most are only 1080P at 60FPS highest. But I would prefer 4K at 30FPS at least, so waiting might be a good deal... But I may just throw down the $199 when I go to purchase everything for the build so I can start with a PCIE internal card. I probably won't even need the 4K pass thru for a while, and nothing can stream at that rate yet so it's not as much of an immediate priority. Having at least something is though, but I do already have a USB Live Gamer Portable which I can use as well.

https://www.highgroundgaming.com/best-capture-cards/

http://nerdtechy.com/best-pci-express-video-capture-cards-2016



https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16815131031

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1251516&gclid=CjwKEAjwtbPGBRDhoLaqn6HknWsSJABR-o5swzicqcoSynEeZZ4WrMtJaN_VtRS9wNhiFtvixO5hjxoCEB7w_wcB&is=REG&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C92051677682%2C&A=details&Q=
 
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not sure how that was hijacking - i had offered the OP my experiences re video editing setup and he responded with his opinion or suggestion for improving my software, and i responded to that - that's what i would have thought was called a "conversation", and in this case a conversation started by the OP ???
 
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