7950 vs 660ti (MSI)

[sam_p_lay]

Don't be sad iceclock, you never know what the future may bring ;-) But yeah of today's cards, GTX660 Ti is certainly the way to go. You're Canadian iceclock?

 

[iceclock]

yes, french canadian, like ive said before i had a 7800s series card and experienced weird framerate issues, and when vsync on wasnt great, speed was alright but the issues are annoying, ill go back to ati once they fix there stuff and get proper vsync.

yeah gtx 660ti is nice and mines factory overclocked and plan to overclock it to 1150mhz

if my card dint have issues i would of stayed with it, but seems alot more than just me are having issues with 7800 and 7900 series, weird micro-stutters, bad vsync and loss of frames at random.

like ive said before, amd should of stayed with micro-processors and ati shouldnt of been bought in the first place.

ati was great when it was called ati, not amd.

 

[sam_p_lay]

I was just thinking about time zones... you got on here early ;-) You're in Quebec? It has been said that AMD paid way too much for ATI and that it's part of the reason they're having so much financial trouble now. It was part of their long-term goal though to merge CPU and GPU, and I have a feeling nVidia would have cost more to acquire Maybe they could have purchased Imagination Technologies, though the results may have been even worse.

 

[iceclock]

they should of bought nvidia, theyd be rich by now .

yes quebec, thats right.

 

[sam_p_lay]

I've never been to Canada, but would like to visit. Your Taco Bell menu is different and I like the looks of it. You're GMT-5 there?

 

[iceclock]

im eastern time zone, taco bell lol, i eat at harveys and sushi places,

 

[sam_p_lay]

Harvey's is a brewery here, I'll have to look your's up Sushi is OK, but I mostly eat it for the pickled ginger and wasabi soy ;-)

 

[sam_p_lay]

Ah I'm hungry now. That "bacon bacon burger" looks good! So you order it Subway-style, just pick what toppings you want?

 

[iceclock]

yes, with some hot spices, some franks red hot sauce and a real angus patie made of 100% canadian real beef, and smoked bacon mm with melted cheddar, now thats a hamburga

 

[sam_p_lay]

Damn I want it! I like the Subway-style approach too, all burger places should do this.

 

[amygdala17]

I'm looking at both of these cards also. This computer will primarily be my work computer, however, so the most important thing is how it performs for me on that. I will have a dual monitor set-up, 27" monitors, and using Remote Desktop to log into a server. I need a card that will allow me to reach the maximum resolution Remote Desktop supports. Is there any difference in these two cards as far as multiple monitor support?

Finally, the game I'm motivated to get a good card for is Total War Rome 2 when it comes out. Any input on expected performance there?

 

[sam_p_lay]

Excuse me, but we're discussing burgers here. As for the monitors though, AMD generally does better on triple-screen setups, but no difference if you're using a single screen for gaming and the other for something else. Remote desktop will run at your monitor's native res fine.

 

[amygdala17]

I like Five Guys a lot, especially the fries.

I will be spanning the remote desktop across two monitors. I've heard that the ATI cards are better for multi-monitor setups, but haven't really heard why, except maybe for ease of setup.

 

[sam_p_lay]

Thank you ;-)

Radeons are generally recommended due to larger memory bandwidth (and memory size), which offers little benefit at 1080p but shows its value at 2560x1600 or triple-screen setups. That's gaming performance though, and obviously you're not gaming over two screens, so not worth worrying about. Not sure about Total War Rome 2, but I expect you'd be able to max it easily when it comes out on either of these (it's rarely strategy games that bring high-end hardware to its knees ).

 

[bigshootr8]

they should of bought nvidia, theyd be rich by now .

yes quebec, thats right.

Always in the rumor that Intel will do that if that happens game over ><

In two screen environments I'm sure it doesn't make a difference what company you are with when you start to take advantage of there software eyefinity it will matter. Basically you are not losing much in terms of frame rate at a higher resolution well height or width not added resolution. And yea with the higher AMD cards you will find higher memory bit/size so that helps in that arena.

 

[redeemer]

i meant price wise, u only get max 10% increase for 100$ more also 3gb aint gonna do nothing since its not being fully utilized, also the 192 bus is limited somewhat but as benchmarks prove the bit of the bus isnt always the end determining factor in overall performance,

I am talking price/performance, as you turn up MSAA and resolutions than bandwidth does come into play. The 670 is absolutely worth $100 more than the 660ti, only the 670-680 can keep decent fps with all eye canding turned up. The best bang for the buck is the 7950 which packs 3GB and 384 bit bus width and when overclocked beats out and overclocked 680.

 

[sam_p_lay]

For the billionth time, overclocks aren't guaranteed. Why do people keep going on about this? I saw a guy in a thread recently trying to RMA his cards because they weren't overclocking as high as other peoples. And 8x MSAA is irrelevant - no noticeable improvement over 4x MSAA.

 

[bigshootr8]

Sam stuff doesn't sink in until someone gets hurt you know that. Someone will end up on the forums who bought a 7950 crying because he was overclocking to 670 levels and his card is having issues. The only place I will agree with Redeemer is that with the 7950 you will be able to do everything you need to do with games and not have much turning down of settings if at all. That is with overclocking aside. The better card for sure is the 670 though. I only would rate cards based on factory delivery. I don't count the ghz editions really from AMD because of this.

 

[DARGIE]

Problem solved : going for 7950 only £50 more

 

[redeemer]

For the billionth time, overclocks aren't guaranteed. Why do people keep going on about this? I saw a guy in a thread recently trying to RMA his cards because they weren't overclocking as high as other peoples. And 8x MSAA is irrelevant - no noticeable improvement over 4x MSAA.

Overclocks not guaranteed?? what exactly does that mean? Of course high end gpu's overclocks dude, its your job as the consumer to pick your video card and do some research on which card overclocks well and which does not.

 

[redeemer]

Sam stuff doesn't sink in until someone gets hurt you know that. Someone will end up on the forums who bought a 7950 crying because he was overclocking to 670 levels and his card is having issues. The only place I will agree with Redeemer is that with the 7950 you will be able to do everything you need to do with games and not have much turning down of settings if at all. That is with overclocking aside. The better card for sure is the 670 though. I only would rate cards based on factory delivery. I don't count the ghz editions really from AMD because of this.

Kepler autoboost?? Stock or not?

 

[bigshootr8]

When cards are at there advertised speeds. If the chip is advertised as stock meaning there is a speed it reaches when you utilize something then I would go by boost and same with a AMD card if it had a boost function. I wouldn't with overclocked cards from either vendor.

 

[DARGIE]

I said 7950 I meant I'm going for 7970
XFX 7970 Black edition

 

[sam_p_lay]

Overclocks not guaranteed?? what exactly does that mean? Of course high end gpu's overclocks dude, its your job as the consumer to pick your video card and do some research on which card overclocks well and which does not.

Are you serious? Silicon lottery - different dies of the exact same GPU will overclock by different degrees. Any of the regulars on here will tell you that. You're not actually thinking every 7950 for example overclocks by exactly the same amount before becoming unstable?

 

[bigshootr8]

Redeemer you need to understand that not all silicon chips have the ability to be overclocked the same. This goes for both GPU'S and CPU's that's why when you see records being broken they have cherry picked chips. When you see ASUS top cards those are Cherry picked chips for overclocking reasons.