7950 vs 660ti (MSI)

[darksparten]

Should I get the
MSI 7950 Twin Frozr : http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-148-MS
or
MSI GTX660ti Power Edition: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-172-MS

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/4

No, just No, nobody factors in OC into these arguments,

7950:

The MSi edition actually uses a 7970-based non-reference PCB for even better overclocking(better than the review) than stock 7950, GTX660Ti are voltage locked

Eyefinity+384bit bus+3GB, doesn't mean a lot but still.

660Ti:

Vsync and CUDA are really the only useful ones, PhysX works with less than 30 games, plus GTX660Ti's 192-bit bandwidth is a huge hit to AA/AF/High res/multimonitor.

 

[sam_p_lay]

The tired old triple-screen/30" display argument is no more valid than PhysX - how many of us are actually running a triple-screen setup or 30" display? It's irrelevant to the vast majority of people. Unless OP states they're using three monitors, why would you assume they are?

And same for overclocking - not everyone wants to. Some don't want to void warranty, some don't see overclocking results being a real game-changer and some just don't want to screw around with their hardware. Make sure OP actually wants to overclock/run three screens/game at 2560 before advertising those features. As for AA, 8x MSAA is pointless over 4x MSAA. You can't see the difference.

 

[bigshootr8]

Sam NO one ever takes into account what the OP desires they go off on a rant about this and that without gathering information +1 to you sir.

 

[sam_p_lay]

Haha thanks ;-)

 

[iceclock]

i agree u can have 2 same videocards, same make model, but overclock differently, same as a cpu, 2 people can have a 2500k but one might overclock higher than the other, not 2 chips are rated and made to run at the same speed, its pretty much a lottery or gamble if ur gonna get a card that overclocks better, of course prefactory overclocked cards already are overclocked and might be tested to run out of the boxes at higher clocks but thats not always the case,

bottom line, gtx 660ti overclocked can somethimes if lucky beat a stock 670 and 7950 overclocked, the 7950 requires more of an overclock to actually see a performance gain versus the gtx 660ti.

also some games favour amd and some nvidia.

 

[jdw_swb]

Tom's Hardware officially recommends the 7950 over the 660 ti as of January 17, 2013.

Best graphics cards for the money January 2013

 

[sam_p_lay]

Grow up Mack. AMD fixed THREE games, which had had unique, targeted fixes. That's definitely better than nothing, and in those three games, AMD are absolutely matching nVidia. But it's not much use for every other game out there. AMD claim to have a general fix coming up that won't require them to fix each game individually. As always, I'll believe it when I see it. This is progress anyway, and provided TR and other sites continue to keep an eye on this, there will be pressure on AMD to deliver the overall fix they promised.

 

[sam_p_lay]

Targeting different causes of latency in different games requires AMD to fix each game as it's released. nVidia aren't relying on those kind of fixes. With nVidia, you can buy a game nobody has heard of and not worry about it being a big enough title for AMD to fix. Do you understand that concept? If/when AMD have a fix that doesn't require them to tell reviewers "test it on these three games", then the frame latency argument will be history. Until then, AMD are still at a major disadvantage.

So it looks like you're still wrong, but I have a feeling you'll still have a busy day digging up all the old GTX660 Ti vs 7950 threads to post your new favourite link. Pathetic. At least wait until AMD have a proper fix for all games before you do that. Do you like my new signature by the way? I created it to give the finger to the PhysX police. Some idiot AMD fanboy was making comments like "wherever I see those videos posted, I'll be there". Gave me the idea for the signature. Some people eh?

 

[iceclock]

the 7950 is a better deal but is currently suffering from some microstuttering, that needs to be adressed, i beleive its affecting the whole 7000 series atm.

speed yes, 7950 overclocked to 7970s level and passed, can equalize a gtx 680 thats 550+ dollars and somethimes beat it,

but u do have to take in consideration the microstuttering issues, i had a 7870gb and could run games at 60fps but was still getting these little jitters and was annoying as heck,

thats why i bought a 2gb gtx660ti, if amd would just fix this issue be so much easier choice.

i do recommand the 7950 over the gtx 660ti as longterm its more powerful and has more overclocking it seems.

for most people the micro-stuttering might not annoy them or they may not see it,

but for people with fast eyes like mine, was just too annoying to watch.

case closed.

and im shur amd will fix this issue soon.

 

[sam_p_lay]

Somebody is a little behind the times...

:lol:

The second and third posts in that thread make an interesting point So yeah, as long as Iceclock sticks to just playing Skyrim, Borderlands and Guild Wars (the only three games AMD has fixed), he'd be fine on his 7870

Iceclock, that is an evil looking avatar!

 

[sam_p_lay]

Read his post. He clearly said he experienced those issues first hand on his 7870. He's not theorising here.

Iceclock, check this out ;-)

http://www.3planesoft.com/clock-screensavers/ice-clock-3d-screensaver/

 

[iceclock]

ive got a gtx 660ti overclocked to 1150 mhz clock and memory speed at 3150mhz

running great.

second of all the stutter affects the whole 7000 series,

and if theyre wasnt such issues i would of kept my 7870gb, and third of all im pretty shur the micro-stuttering issues havent been completely fixed.

thanks sam -_-

 

[sam_p_lay]

thanks sam -_-

:-D

It's actually a cool screensaver (no pun intended) if you're into that kind of thing! I used to use it myself, among other 3D screensavers from 3planesoft.

 

[iceclock]

nice, check my new signature cool as 1ce -_0

 

[iceclock]

the thing is u dont get it do u bigmack, the stutter affects the 7800 seris, 7900 series, the whole deal, so it is relevant.

 

[iceclock]

i never said they was, but that article proves theres stuttering, and it varies according to the game u use, and u human eye might not even detect it, not everyone detects it, but people with hyper sensitive eyes as me do,

also radeonpro is in beta form and isnt a subtitute for decent tweaking and real vsync.

 

[iceclock]

thats the point, i wasnt arguing anything past that.

good we understand each other.

 

[iceclock]

yeah well i still recommand the 7950 anyday over the gtx 660ti for its overclocking possibilities and 3gb vs 2gb, before i beleived it wasnt worth it, but as i did research i can see that the 7950 overclocked past 7970s level can equalize a gtx 680 and beat it! thats like 280$ card vs 550$ and it wins, very impressive.

only issue with amd for me is this micro-stuttering and vsync thats not so great.

im shur this will be fixed in the next cataclyst drivers.

 

[sam_p_lay]

I thought that was your point... my issue is more with sam's (and others') nonsense as they try to turn that point in the direction of "lulz AMD is teh stutters and Nvidia is teh buttery smoooooooooooothness"

The article doesn't support that and more testing needs to be done to see if this is a systematic AMD vs Nvidia issue or if it's confined to Tahiti vs GK104 or certain games or certain driver releases, etc.

You need to learn how to use quotes properly, because I'm pretty sure I never wrote that.

 

[iceclock]

lawl, also sam_p_lay was quite accurate about the pros of having real decent vsync, aka adaptive vsync only avaible tru nvidia, radeon pro does it but its an unsupported feature for amd cards.

in the end we can agree if u can live without adaptive vsync and minor stuttering on amd, the 7950 is the way to go, if not the 660ti will do u justice as well.

 

[sam_p_lay]

"lulz AMD is teh stutters and Nvidia is teh buttery smoooooooooooothness"

^ that is what I didn't say. I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny here.

As for your excessive emoticons, ellipsis and "Does not compute." (that's how you use quotes by the way), I don't know what your point is, but you've not made the point very articulately, even by your standards.

 

[iceclock]

i stop reading half way weird it says doesnt compute.

enjoy the fight night amd vs nvidia.

bring your popcorn and whiskey flavoured water.

 

[sam_p_lay]

Not just the 7950. I'll repeat myself if I must:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-7990-devil13-7970-x2,review-32563-8.html

Not only does the GTX690 give smoother framerate delivery than the 7990, it also at least matches the 7970 for consistency, despite the major stuttering disadvantage of being a dual-GPU card versus the 7970 being single GPU so having the advantage.

PLUS iceclock has just told you about his 7870 experiences. So there's a third. You made it clear exactly what you think of his experiences (you stopped just short of calling him a liar) but I'm willing to take his word on it. It was bad enough for him that he bought a different card instead.

 

[iceclock]

well lets see, i owned a 7870 than sold it, i wonder why hmmm...

and yeah thats one big reason i dint buy a 7950 even if its faster when overclock than the 660ti cuz of microstuttering issues and bad vsync.

 

[iceclock]

what ???