Question a little problem with a watercooling

[TheNinja689]

hello, I happen to have a little problem with a msi coreliquid mag 240r liquid cooler that I bought almost 2 years ago. It happens that I bought it used but according to the seller had a problem and that is that when I use it I do not remove the plastic between the cooling place and the cpu (I think it's that copper thing) and therefore not cooled as it should.

I bought it because I was hoping to find a solution to that cooling a few years ago, the problem is that I could never test it because my board at that time did not have ports for that type of cooling so I promised myself that if at some point I bought a new processor I would try it with that in mind and that day came. Now I want to know if it is really a problem that the guy has not removed that plastic or if it is just a matter of changing the liquid inside or retouching it so that it works, right now I will take a picture so you can see for yourselves if there are problems.

https://imgur.com/a/DKswIhG

View: https://imgur.com/a/DKswIhG

 

[Phaaze88]

hello, I happen to have a little problem with a msi coreliquid mag 240r liquid cooler that I bought almost 2 years ago. It happens that I bought it used but according to the seller had a problem and that is that when I use it I do not remove the plastic between the cooling place and the cpu (I think it's that copper thing) and therefore not cooled as it should.

I bought it because I was hoping to find a solution to that cooling a few years ago, the problem is that I could never test it because my board at that time did not have ports for that type of cooling so I promised myself that if at some point I bought a new processor I would try it with that in mind and that day came. Now I want to know if it is really a problem that the guy has not removed that plastic or if it is just a matter of changing the liquid inside or retouching it so that it works, right now I will take a picture so you can see for yourselves if there are problems.

https://imgur.com/a/DKswIhG

View: https://imgur.com/a/DKswIhG

Image #4: Cooler cold plates will either have the plastic warning sticker or the pre-applied thermal paste. If the Coreliquid was the former, then the correct thing was to remove it before operation.

 

[TheNinja689]

Image #4: Cooler cold plates will either have the plastic warning sticker or the pre-applied thermal paste. If the Coreliquid was the former, then the correct thing was to remove it before operation.

let's see if I understand, what you mean is that if the previous owner did not remove the warning sticker and used it without removing it, the correct thing to do when I acquired it was to change the liquid inside?

 

[Phaaze88]

let's see if I understand, what you mean is that if the previous owner did not remove the warning sticker and used it without removing it, the correct thing to do when I acquired it was to change the liquid inside?

Negative. You remove the sticker. Nothing else needs to be done.
IF it wasn't removed, then it melts onto the cold plate... gonna be much harder for you to remove the sticker in that state. Changing the fluid isn't going to do anything about a melted sticker.

 

[TheNinja689]

Negative. You remove the sticker. Nothing else needs to be done.
IF it wasn't removed, then it melts onto the cold plate... gonna be much harder for you to remove the sticker in that state. Changing the fluid isn't going to do anything about a melted sticker.

oooooh I get it!!! it cost me a little because I am somewhat new to liquid cooling. then technically it would be ready to use. But first since you know much more about these things do you think it is in perfect condition? at a glance and with the images you posted. Also I do not know if you noticed but in the image 3 there is a kind of "scratch" would that affect the operation of this same or is completely normal?

 

[Phaaze88]

oooooh I get it!!! it cost me a little because I am somewhat new to liquid cooling. then technically it would be ready to use. But first since you know much more about these things do you think it is in perfect condition? at a glance and with the images you posted. Also I do not know if you noticed but in the image 3 there is a kind of "scratch" would that affect the operation of this same or is completely normal?

I have doubts about the condition. They had QC issues, which were supposedly fixed in Version 2, but because almost everyone installs AIO radiators at the roof of their case, they were unknowingly doing damage to the pumps in these units as time went on; it is not inside the cpu block, but that black cube in Image 3.

Thermal paste easily deals with pits created by scratches.

 

[TheNinja689]

I have doubts about the condition. They had QC issues, which were supposedly fixed in Version 2, but because almost everyone installs AIO radiators at the roof of their case, they were unknowingly doing damage to the pumps in these units as time went on; it is not inside the cpu block, but that black cube in Image 3.

Thermal paste easily deals with pits created by scratches.

hey thank you very much!!! I rarely see such specific data as you give me, then these models somehow came out defective, but if they are put on top of the cabinet should I test them anyway or better not do anything? also as a last request I would like to know what kind of liquid is the best to be able to inside cooling

 

[Phaaze88]

if they are put on top of the cabinet should I test them anyway or better not do anything?

You move the rad, or return the AIO and get your money back(if possible).
Over time, the fluid volume decreases while air volume increases. Air typically hangs at the top of a loop, meaning with pump-in-rad units, you risk running the pump(black cube) dry if the rad is left in the roof.

also as a last request I would like to know what kind of liquid is the best to be able to inside cooling

I don't think that's something the masses have widely agreed on, and even fewer have bothered to replace the fluid in an AIO. They get thrown out far more often.
Some use distilled water only... some go with distilled water + kill coil... some use a premixed solution, like Primochill Pure.

 

[TheNinja689]

You move the rad, or return the AIO and get your money back(if possible).
Over time, the fluid volume decreases while air volume increases. Air typically hangs at the top of a loop, meaning with pump-in-rad units, you risk running the pump(black cube) dry if the rad is left in the roof.



I don't think that's something the masses have widely agreed on, and even fewer have bothered to replace the fluid in an AIO. They get thrown out far more often.
Some use distilled water only... some go with distilled water + kill coil... some use a premixed solution, like Primochill Pure.

thank you for everything!!! you really helped me a lot yesterday, I was about to make a mistake if it wasn't for your help!!!!! 😀

 

[Paperdoc]

The fluid that circulates around the loop, and the contact surface of the cooling block on top of the CPU chip, are completely separate issues!

The COOLING BLOCK that fastens on top of the CPU chip comes with a thin plastic film over its smooth bottom surface to protect it. That MUST be removed before installation. What you report is a comment from the original owner that he failed to do this but installed it anyway, and found it did not work well so removed it. For YOU, that film must be removed before you install. Since it was used in some manner, that plastic MIGHT be stuck on and need very careful cleaning of the bare metal face under it. OR it may come off quite easily and you have no problem there.

NEXT is an important item you have NOT mentioned. I can see from the instructions for this system that they should have included a small amount of a thermal paste in a syringe that MUST be added to the TOP of the CPU chip (see manual p. 11, item 5) BEFORE you install that block. Every CPU cooler system must have a thin film of thermal paste between the cooler and the CPU top. This basically fills in microscopic unevenness in the space so that there are NO void spaces full of air, and thus the paste can help move heat rapidly from CPU top to cooler block face. Emphasis on thin! None or extremely little is insufficient. Too much also is not good because a thick film slows the movement of heat. Typically the amount to squeeze onto the CPU top is about the size of one grain of rice. Once that is done you usually place the cooler unit on top of the CPU and twist it a bit both ways before aligning it with the clamping system to finish the install. IF you do NOT have that syringe of paste, or if the paste seems old and very thick and dried up, you need to buy some thermal paste. It may come in a tiny tube or a syringe.

Regarding the fluid that fills the system, in general you can NOT change it. Almost all complete AIO systems arrive completely filled and with NO way to open up the loop and re-seal it safely. Even if you do force it open somewhere and figure out what to add (and this is NOT just plain water!) , you have no good way to be sure it IS completely filled with no big air bubbles trapped somewhere. Plus how to you make sure you re-seal the opening? In fact, the problem you have based on the original owner's information does NOT say there is ANY problem with the fluid that fills the circulation loop. So you have NO need now to worry about that. AFTER you have it installed and running IF you have symptoms of NOT getting good cooling of the CPU, post back with a NEW thread to deal with that as a separate issue. I do NOT expect that will be needed.

 

[TheNinja689]

The fluid that circulates around the loop, and the contact surface of the cooling block on top of the CPU chip, are completely separate issues!

The COOLING BLOCK that fastens on top of the CPU chip comes with a thin plastic film over its smooth bottom surface to protect it. That MUST be removed before installation. What you report is a comment from the original owner that he failed to do this but installed it anyway, and found it did not work well so removed it. For YOU, that film must be removed before you install. Since it was used in some manner, that plastic MIGHT be stuck on and need very careful cleaning of the bare metal face under it. OR it may come off quite easily and you have no problem there.

NEXT is an important item you have NOT mentioned. I can see from the instructions for this system that they should have included a small amount of a thermal paste in a syringe that MUST be added to the TOP of the CPU chip (see manual p. 11, item 5) BEFORE you install that block. Every CPU cooler system must have a thin film of thermal paste between the cooler and the CPU top. This basically fills in microscopic unevenness in the space so that there are NO void spaces full of air, and thus the paste can help move heat rapidly from CPU top to cooler block face. Emphasis on thin! None or extremely little is insufficient. Too much also is not good because a thick film slows the movement of heat. Typically the amount to squeeze onto the CPU top is about the size of one grain of rice. Once that is done you usually place the cooler unit on top of the CPU and twist it a bit both ways before aligning it with the clamping system to finish the install. IF you do NOT have that syringe of paste, or if the paste seems old and very thick and dried up, you need to buy some thermal paste. It may come in a tiny tube or a syringe.

Regarding the fluid that fills the system, in general you can NOT change it. Almost all complete AIO systems arrive completely filled and with NO way to open up the loop and re-seal it safely. Even if you do force it open somewhere and figure out what to add (and this is NOT just plain water!) , you have no good way to be sure it IS completely filled with no big air bubbles trapped somewhere. Plus how to you make sure you re-seal the opening? In fact, the problem you have based on the original owner's information does NOT say there is ANY problem with the fluid that fills the circulation loop. So you have NO need now to worry about that. AFTER you have it installed and running IF you have symptoms of NOT getting good cooling of the CPU, post back with a NEW thread to deal with that as a separate issue. I do NOT expect that will be needed.

Thank you very much for your accuracy in helping me with my problem, it has been a long time since I have seen people so dedicated to helping someone with this type of problem and you really don't know how much you both helped me. And thanks to you I was able to find a good solution, so thank you very much!!!

 

[Paperdoc]

You're welcome. I hope your solution works well!