News Amazon Patches New World to Solve "Dying RTX 3090" Dilemma

[watzupken]

No freaking way. It is Nvidia's job to ensure that the hardware and drivers are able to take whatever pounding applications throw at them and take whatever preventative measures may be required to prevent damage. Software developers writing mostly hardware-agnostic code that works across all GPUs have no way of knowing what bit of code may cause any given past, present or future GPU to blow a gasket. It is an unrealistic burden to put on them.

Objectively, Nvidia should provide some sorts of guideline for their AIB partners' GPU, but beyond that, I am not sure if they will go the extra mile of micro managing them. Strangely, this issue seems to affect only EVGA RTX 3090 after watching some of the videos out there. I am not sure the overly liberal power limit for this specific EVGA card with its 3x power connector could be one of the cause on top of some other issues resulting in big fluctuations in power requirement.

 

[-Fran-]

AMG is owned by Mercedes. They're the same company. Nvidia doesn't own EVGA.

The 2nd part of your post is just nonsense and means nothing.

It actually matters if the designs get approved by nVidia, but I have no way to confirm and it may as well not be true. One thing for sure is that EVGA is responsible first.

Also, while AMG is owned by Mercedes, they're independent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-AMG

They were so good that Daimler bought them. If you have a 3rd party that almost exclusively deals with a certain company, to the point where they need to ask for permission for certain things, you may as well talk about a subsidiary. I'm really curious about how EVGA "mingles" with nVidia.

Regards.

 

[-Fran-]

This is not an Nvidia issue at all. It's the card manufacturer's problem. All Nvidia does is provide the GPU die's to the AIB's. The AIB's then design and build the card around the Die provided by Nvidia. It's EVGA's greed that those 3090 FTW3 cards fried. They used the cheap parts on a high end GPU.

No, you have it wrong.

They not only sell the GPU die, but also give the electrical specs and boundaries alongside the core design of what the GPU is capable of.

It remains to be known if EVGA acted within those specs or not. This is a similar kerfuffle as Intel's MCE that pushes the thermal and power limits beyond the base TDP. Thing is, Intel also provides guidelines for those values. It is not a stretch to assume nVidia does the same to their AIBs.

Also, do not forget at the beginning Ampere HAD issues with power delivery because the power circuitry was badly implemented, so they had to cap power via drivers.

Regards.

 

[ern88]

No, you have it wrong.

They not only sell the GPU die, but also give the electrical specs and boundaries alongside the core design of what the GPU is capable of.

It remains to be known if EVGA acted within those specs or not. This is a similar kerfuffle as Intel's MCE that pushes the thermal and power limits beyond the base TDP. Thing is, Intel also provides guidelines for those values. It is not a stretch to assume nVidia does the same to their AIBs.

Also, do not forget at the beginning Ampere HAD issues with power delivery because the power circuitry was badly implemented, so they had to cap power via drivers.

Regards.

No, you have it wrong. The AIB have the specs from Nvidia. And they build the card. Nvidia doesn't dictate what the quality of components used by AIB. As long it falls in spec.

 

[-Fran-]

No, you have it wrong. The AIB have the specs from Nvidia. And they build the card. Nvidia doesn't dictate what the quality of components used by AIB. As long it falls in spec.

You just changed what you said originally though. At least I can agree to your last comment.

Regards.

 

[hotaru251]

I don't think Amazon can be held liable unless it was something they were aware of and nonetheless shipped for people to play test. Just because they released a patch to address the problem doesn't mean that they're admitting any fault.

amazon DENIED any fault in same post they said they'd add frame cap.

if they really had no fault at all why would they bother to add something if they claim it has no impact?

they trying to claim innocence and save face is all.

It is Nvidia's job to ensure that the hardware and drivers are able to take whatever pounding applications throw at them and take whatever preventative measures may be required to prevent damage.

nvidia also has a "spec" for GPU's.

any OC by default is out of spec.

also AFAIK there WERE no drivers for new world yet...meaning the game was responsible for controlling how its utilized atm.

It is an unrealistic burden to put on them

but thats their job.

Especially given their req and min specs as trivial.
and as it is mainly the highest tier gpu having issues they didnt bother checking how it worked w/ the raw power those gpu's have.

Not syaing its all one or other but amazon is NOT innocent it takes 2 to tango.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

This is not an Nvidia issue at all. It's the card manufacturer's problem. All Nvidia does is provide the GPU die's to the AIB's. The AIB's then design and build the card around the Die provided by Nvidia. It's EVGA's greed that those 3090 FTW3 cards fried. They used the cheap parts on a high end GPU.

You are missing a crucial step.

Right, nvidia provides the gpus to the partners and then the partners build the board around it

BUT, after EVGA designed these cards, it is mandatory that Nvidia reviews the design and approves it before it goes on sale.

Nvidia is partially to blame for approving the design that causes this issue.

 

[InvalidError]

also AFAIK there WERE no drivers for new world yet...meaning the game was responsible for controlling how its utilized atm.

In general, drivers don't get made for specific games. There may be driver updates to fix issues with specific game but for the most part, drivers implement the interface between API and hardware, then software makes whatever use it can of that. There is no such thing as "software being responsible for hardware utilization" since normal hardware utilization for software is whatever the software need, which is up to 100% of what is available.

 

[duffer9999]

amazon DENIED any fault in same post they said they'd add frame cap.

if they really had no fault at all why would they bother to add something if they claim it has no impact?

they trying to claim innocence and save face is all.

nvidia also has a "spec" for GPU's.

any OC by default is out of spec.

also AFAIK there WERE no drivers for new world yet...meaning the game was responsible for controlling how its utilized atm.



but thats their job.

Especially given their req and min specs as trivial.
and as it is mainly the highest tier gpu having issues they didnt bother checking how it worked w/ the raw power those gpu's have.

Not syaing its all one or other but amazon is NOT innocent it takes 2 to tango.

So the autobahn put in a couple of speed bumps until the morons can figure out how to stop blowing their engines up. Amazon is helping the cause, not admitting culpability. One day when the hardware catches up, someone will sue amazon for THROTTLING there cards. They can't win.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

What is this nonsense? It’s up to the engine company to put in the rev limiter or not the software guys so stop making excuses for everybody else and especially for Nvidia. The cards are deplorable the way they are designed.

The purpose of graceful degradation is to stop catastrophic failures and this falls squarely on the shoulders of the hardware manufacturer not the software guys.

Nobody wants self cooking cards

Nuff’ said

 

[-Fran-]

I mean, this is enough evidence to just blame both EVGA and nVidia for this: https://www.igorslab.de/en/evga-gef...cs-card-goes-amok-because-of-design-failures/

Also, just like it says there, other nVidia Ampere cards may also have this issue if the power is not regulated correctly via drivers or VBIOS.

Such a disgrace... But "AMD drivers bad! boohoo".

Regards.