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I got it cut short during January.

Feels much better than long hair.

Easier to manage.

Plus, if I wear the right clothes I can pass for a guy 😛
 


LOL - I've heard the same said about JDJ!! 😛

Just kiddin', Jay! 😀

My wife cut her hair by about 10" recently - she's Asian so long hair tends to pull out at the roots at the forehead hairline, leaving short/broken follicles. At least that's what she tells me. Seeing the hairplug she sometimes leaves in the shower drain, I can believe it! 😀

But she's much more comfortable now. Personally I think she'd look good in a bob or 'pageboy' down to her chin, but she says she tried that previously and she didn't like it. Anyway, she has a really cute ponytail so I don't complain too much.

At least she's past the red/blonde highlighting that she wanted to do previously. She has beautiful glossy black hair - no need to mess it up with chemicals.
 
Pat has brains and AMD will benefit from him leaving as there is now a power vaccuum at Intel others will rush to fill ... and cause the business to falter due to errors in strategic decision making from a longer term perspective.

Intel's share price should drop as a result.

Bad time to leave as the i5 rollout needs an experienced person to manage.

Another flippin socket !!!

Jeeesh !!

 


Perhaps taking the rubber band off prior to washing might alleviate much of the pain, plus save the band from getting lost! 😀

Just kiddin'!! :)

I'd say that at least 75% of my bathroom sink area is permanently occupied by my wife's hair-care products - hair dryer, hands-free stand for the dryer, combs, creme rinses, conditioners, etc etc. My share is the one sink plus a Texas A&M coffee cup to hold my toothbrush & comb. I am really deprived when it comes to personal hygiene space!! :)
 


Yeah, that seems really flakey & rather stupid on nVidia's part. Wonder if Jen-Hsun forgot his anti "can o' Whoopass' medication when they said DX-11 doesn't matter??

The more I think about it, GT-300 will have to be significantly better than the 5870 before I'd consider going with nVidia again.

In other news, it looks like Intel's 32nm is going to be a killer, going by the 6.3 GHz on LN2 and 4.7GHz on air overclocks achieved with the i9 6-core Gulftown ES samples. I doubt I'd ever need that kind of power, but still - I'm thinking of sticking with my original i7-920 build instead of the i7-860 now, just so I'd have an LGA-1366 board ready to take the i9 if I ever decided I needed (i.e., wanted) it 😀
 


Thought I saw some Fuddy article yesterday saying that the 300 would trump the 5870 by a fair margin, but I'll wait until the reviews come out. I really don't want some 20 kilowatt power-sucking energy hog in my next build :). So I hope 40nm is good on power for both AMD & nVidia...
 
According to them, they dont even need the G300, as their current cards have physx, and are already better than the new ATI cards out, and of course with CUDA also, a hex core (especially Intel) cpu is garbage next it their 129$ CUDA using , physx abusing monsters heheh
 
i was thinking.

what if intel made motherboard without a north or south bridge but instead 2 CPU's
the first controls the Grap card, ram , ect and the other does the HDD USB ect

 
wouldn't work

there would have to be three, two like u said and then a minor one to coordinate the two

and that layout would create a lot of lag, cuz the gfx, RAM and other PCIEs are very fast, HDD,Optics and USBs are very slow, and in gaming there would lots of lag
 
So, youre 8x larger than your only competition. You have vast advantages, what do you do?

EU publishes mails from OEMs proving Intels uncompetitive business practices

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In this excerpt from a February 26, 2004 email, a Dell executive describes the consequences of Dell switching part of its supply requirements to AMD to his superiors. “MCP” refers to rebates Intel gives to Dell.


Quote:
[Intel senior executives] are prepared for [all-out war] if Dell joins the AMD exodus. We get ZERO MCP for at least one quarter while Intel ‘investigates the details’ (…) We’ll also have to bite and scratch to even hold 50%, including a commitment to NOT ship in Corporate. If we go in Opti [Optiplex corporate desktop line], they cut it to <20% and use the added MCP to compete against us" and "It looks 100% certain that Intel will take MCP to ZERO for at least one quarter while they 'review all of the numbers and implications.' (...) Appears likely that Intel would take MCP to <25% of current levels UNLESS we agree up front not to ship into [Product line]. If we do that, we're in 'détente' mode and can keep MPC [sic] at 50%. However, we don't meet [AMD Senior Executive]'s T&Cs [Terms and Conditions]. So, I would plan on MCP at <20% levels if we execute AMD across [Product line]and [Product line] as AMD wants."289

Here are emails written by executives at another PC maker, Lenovo. June 27, 2006 email:


Quote:
“[Two Lenovo Executives] had a dinner with [an Intel executive] tonight (…). When we asked Intel what level of support we will get on NB in next quarter, [he] told us (…) the deal is base[d] [sic] on our assumption to not launch AMD NB platform. (…) Intel deal will not allow us to launch AMD.”

June 28, 2006 email:


Quote:
“As you know I have been negotiating a special deal with Intel. The net is that Intel has made us a very attractive offer that we will end up taking. Our part of this deal is that we will award all business of shipments for the rest of this calendar year to Intel. In exchange, Intel will give us a special deal for both [geographical area] and [geographical area]. The deal is worth millions of dollars.”

On September 9, 2003, an AMD executive reported a discussion he had had with an Acer senior executive.


Quote:
“[Acer Senior Executive]] indicated to me that Acer participation was compromised by the extremely specific request from Intel to avoid any public support to AMD64 and Athlon 64 [chip]. He volunteered to tell me that this is the first time he has ever seen [Intel Senior Executive] PERSONALLY intervene in such a matter (…). The threat to Acer was described to me as not completely defined yet but could be as drastic as 100% suppression of their Intel marketing funds. [Acer Senior Executive] indicated that with 85% of their business coming from Intel, the damage to Acer would be significant. Thus, although he reassured me of his commitment to the relationship, and the long term success of AMD64, he told me that Acer is reviewing what compromise they can reach to still support us yet satisfy Intel’s ultimatum.
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/09/21/intels-negotitations-with-pc-makers-the-emails/

This should have its own thread
 
To me, sales should always be sales driven, or, how many youre selling, not about the competition at all, just your own.
If a seller sells 1000 units they get a deal, over 10000 a better deal etc.
If the seller sees that these deals cant be made without cutting out another competitor, its up to the seller, if they decide this is a more lucratrive way to do this, but to have Intel mention,offer,push or demand is a no no
I say, let AMD get the same monies for discounts on the cpus for as long as Intel was found guilty, and deduct those [rices from their cpus to their sellers, and make Intel pay the difference, over several years, lets see how this would transpire?
 


But what was the actual damage to AMD at the time? I've read several times that AMD was capacity constrained, so they couldn't have made any more chips to sell. Takes a couple years to bring a new fab online.
 


Did the volume of sales stay the same or did they plummet? Doesn't exactly take a genius to figure out if a lack of capacity was a problem does it?
 
If theyd been allowed to compete fairly, theyd have hit their prod limit alot sooner than they actually did, which would have prompted a quicker build for the other fab sooner, possibly while they were still on top.
If that were the case, the whole GF thing would have taken a completely different turn as well, as AMD wouldve had more to offer atic, and so on.
I know thats the common Intel blame it on they were prod constrained, but like I just said, things wouldve been different earlier, and steps could have been taken, and their net worth overall would have been much greater.
If you postulate in 1 direction, I think seeing it thru is the best form
 


IIRC AMD's volume plunged after Core2 came out & AMD was caught with their Barcelonas down :). AMD was actually making a (gasp!) profit in 2005-2006, up until the 4th quarter 2006 when Core2 reached sufficient volume that it (1) forced AMD to drop their ridiculously high K8 prices and (2) ate into AMD's marketshare. And that, folks, was true market competitiveness in action - the better chip won...
 
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