AMD claims Opteron chip trashes Intel offerings

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[simwiz2]

Does it, or is AMD just pulling more numbers out of thin air?

 

[lhgpoobaa]

It seems to yes, according to various NON amd website benchmarks ive seen.
I believe aceshardware.com did a indepth article on the opteron as a swerver/workstation and found the onboard memory controller and hypertransport lends itself well to database like crunching, despite the considerable Mhz disadvantage.

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[vk2amv]

I think it is accurate. Here is another link to a completly different site saying the same thing.
http://www.driverheaven.net/index.php?action=view&s=&articleid=2655
or if that doesnt work try here
http://www.driverheaven.net/index.php?s=#article_2655

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[sabbath1]

It's hardly the first time lately that AMD is claiming they have the world's fastest CPU. This time, it seems to be true though, but only in Server benches. The Xeon is still supreme in Workstation apps.

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[Mephistopheles]

indeed... both have their strengths and weaknesses. Opteron is just a starting project, of course... Wonder if a doubled L2 cache is going to make the 3.06Ghz Xeon look that much better? (I doubt it... could be wrong, though) They'll be launching a 1MB 3.06Ghz Xeon soon...

And anyway, what about the almost-buyable (sub-$1500 or something) Deerfield 1Ghz Itaniums? At 30th June? Should be interesting, if they're at least as powerful as the current Itanium 2 1Ghz... Their IPC is ridiculously high... And the 1.5Ghz, 6MB cache Madison? Just sorry the damned thing costs $4200...

 

[sjonnie]

I read that Intel are intending to make a cheaper version of the Itanium for 2-way servers and workstations so I guess they feel threatened by the Opteron in some respects. It's also worth remembering that the Opteron 284 is also ridiculously expensive.

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[sabbath1]

Right. Opteron and Xeon are two products that a pretty much equal on the whole. At least this time, AMD is only claiming they have the best performing Server CPU, and not workstation. For instance, with the 2800+ and 3200+ CPUs they claimed the world's overall best performing CPU.

But anyways, does the Opteron really outperform the Itanium 2?

1 Mb cache for the Xeon will surely help, but Intel will need to stretch the pipelines to be able to gain more performance via FSB and cache. (Correct me if I'm way off here) 😛

I think I even saw a 1.3 Ghz Itanium 2 for around $1000-1200. I could be wrong though. This CPU should really challenge Opteron.

Yes, the 1.5 Ghz, 6mb L3 cache Madison core Itanium CPU costs $4000, but that's the same price as the "old" top-dog 1 Ghz Itanium with 3 mb L3 cache that just now is gonna fall from it's throne, replaced by the 1.5.
It's an extreme price but at least it's obviously getting better.


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[shadus]

It's not really relevent to compare the xeon to the opteron/amd64, a more accurate comparison would be to the itanium2... since both are 64bit chips rather than one being 64bit and one 32bit.

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Pulling more numbers out of thin air... cough pr rating!

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[Civilized]

I wonder where amd would be now without their pr rating system?.....I own an xp2500 myself and love it but still doesnt this have to end some day in time?...

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[sabbath1]

The Xeon is 32-bit only, the Itanium 2 is 64-bit only, the Opteron is 32-bit and 64-bit in one, thus I think both the Itanium 2 and the Xeon makes sense to compare with the Opteron, especially since the Xeon definitely is a worthy competitor to Opteron.

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[Mephistopheles]

Yes... I hear the next core of Itaniums will have increased 32-bit-emulation capabilities, possibly as a response to Opteron... Hopefully, with the more cheaper Itaniums, we'll see reviews on enthusiast sites...

Anyway, you're right, the 1.3Ghz, 1.5MB cache Itanium 2 Madison (official date: 30th June, I think) will cost around $1200-1300. The 1.4Ghz with 3MB will be $2200 or $2300 and the top-of-the-line 1.5Ghz with 6MB will be a ridiculous $4200. <i>If the current 1Ghz McKinley with 4MB cache scores 1300+ or so in Spec-floating point benchmarks, can you imagine what the 1.5Ghz will do?</i> 😱

The interesting thing about IA64 right now is that they're into their 3rd generation 64-bit cores, while AMD has just launched their 1st generation of x86-64 related cores. I wonder how Madison will do?

 

[reever2]

I'm not sure when they were talking about better x86 emulation they were talking about this generation of Itaniums