AMD Confirms Radeon HD 8000 Delay

[shikamaru31789]

Looks like I'll wait to build my new PC until Q4. At least that means I can get most of the parts during Black Friday sales.

 

[Sakkura]

[citation][nom]Pinhedd[/nom]The 7970 is still the top dog and there are very few games which stress it, and those that do will often run just fine with two of them in Crossfire. I'd rather that they bide their time and come up with something awesome than try and rush it to market ahead of the driver support like they did last time.[/citation]
The 7970 only gave a 37 FPS average in Far Cry 3 @ Ultra 1920x1080. Crysis 3 is on the way.

 

[johnsonjohnson]

Well I guess there's no point in waiting to pull the trigger on a card (and games) any longer then.

 

[redeemer]

Titan is a limited production run, which wont change a thing, kinda like the Asus Ares II 7970Ghz!

 

[rohitbaran]

[citation][nom]JJ1217[/nom]Like I said before in another article.. HD8k is not very important. The improvements are only going to be like 15-20% across the lineup, something very easily reachable by the overclocking ability of the 7800/7900's.What they do need to do though, is to have aggressive pricing to help bring down the big upcoming Titan. If they manage to get the 7970 to something like $300, which its already pretty close to for some models, we'll have an interesting year from Nvidia and AMD.[/citation]
What? Which 7970 models are you talking about?

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Sakkura[/nom]The 7970 only gave a 37 FPS average in Far Cry 3 @ Ultra 1920x1080. Crysis 3 is on the way.[/citation]

That pretty much proves Pinhedd's point to be true.

 

[shikamaru31789]

[citation][nom]Sakkura[/nom]The 7970 only gave a 37 FPS average in Far Cry 3 @ Ultra 1920x1080. Crysis 3 is on the way.[/citation]
That was in Tom's initial test before AMD released improved drivers. We should see new benchmarks with the updated drivers when Tom's finally posts the Sub-$200 CPU comparison, since they usually do CPU tests with a high end GPU, and since Far Cry was mentioned as one of the games they tested.

 

[Sakkura]

That pretty much proves Pinhedd's point to be true.

Not really. It means you need SLI/Crossfire for perfect single-monitor performance, and triple-monitor will then require more than just a reasonable 2-way SLI/Crossfire configuration.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Sakkura[/nom]Not really. It means you need SLI/Crossfire for perfect single-monitor performance, and triple-monitor will then require more than just a reasonable 2-way SLI/Crossfire configuration.[/citation]

"The 7970 is still the top dog and there are very few games which stress it, and those that do will often run just fine with two of them in Crossfire."

Yes, it really does. Crossfire would run it just fine and his/her point would then be accurate if a single 7970 can manage an average of 37FPS.

Even if it didn't run just fine with two 7970s, it's still just one game. It'll take more than just one game for it to be the majority.

 

[bit_user]

They are not going to work on a PS4 GPU instead. That ship has already sailed.

 

[redeemer]

All those GK110 K20 chips that could not make it to Tesla have to end up somewhere right. Defective or not I guess selling them to us gamers is a smart move too bad it will not be a fully fledge GK110 with all 15 SMX units!

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]redeemer[/nom]All those GK110 K20 chips that could not make it to Tesla have to end up somewhere right. Defective or not I guess selling them to us gamers is a smart move too bad it will not be a fully fledge GK110 with all 15 SMX units![/citation]

It probably wouldn't make much difference if it had another SMX unit. Like the GTX 600 cards, the memory bandwidth is probably a severe bottleneck. It has nearly double the GPU performance of the 680, an already memory bandwidth bottle-necked card, yet only give it what, about 50% more bandwidth?

Yeah, it'll be one hell of a beast and top any other current single GPU card significantly, but it'll still be a beast held back by its memory bandwidth. You could probably disable another two or three without hurting performance by much since you can already disable one and drop GPU frequency on the 680 without decreasing performance by much (IE GTX 670).

 

[InvalidError]

CPUs started plateau-ing 4-5 years ago and GPUs are starting to plateau now.

Looks like one more hint that the PC ecosystem is cooling down.

 

[MaXimus421]

I don't mind at all that the HD 8000 series is getting delayed.

This just means my 7850 will get more priority driver support for the majority of the year.

Basically, my card just got another year tacked on to it's lifespan. I'll roll with that.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]InvalidError[/nom]CPUs started plateau-ing 4-5 years ago and GPUs are starting to plateau now.Looks like one more hint that the PC ecosystem is cooling down.[/citation]

I suggest that you wait another year or two before passing judgement on graphics "plateauing". AMD simply needs to get everything ready (they do have a lot on their plates what with the consoles and a new graphics generation being worked on simultaneously while two APU generations and a CPU generation are also in the works in the same time frame).

Furthermore, CPUs mostly slowed down because of AMD. Intel can't let AMD get too far behind or else they risk becoming a monopoly and getting screwed over as a result through anti-trust lawsuits and such and AMD is just starting to pick up the pieces for their CPUs, so CPUs might even speed up if AMD can keep up with their schedules for updates to the modular architecture.

As for Nvidia, IDK for sure why they're taking their time. They don't seem to have as much going as as AMD and they also have a lot more money to work with. Maybe they just want Titan to be the last release for consumers before want to get their cards out along the timeline of the console release.

 

[CaedenV]

[citation][nom]bit_user[/nom]They are not going to work on a PS4 GPU instead. That ship has already sailed.[/citation]
not sure why you were voted down, but you are absolutely right. If consoles are going to have mass release before Christmas then all the design work had better be done by now. There are very few changes that could be made to either platform at this point because the hardware needs to be submitted for mass production soon, and developers need a final build to start working on pushing out those first gen games to the new platforms.
I bet that he meant that AMD had been working on the next gen console graphics which is why there is no new consumer GPU now. But as soon as hardware is finalized then they will start pushing development for the 8K series so that they can get them out by christmas as well.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://rog.asus.com/197482013/graphics-cards-2/asus-releases-limited-edition-rog-ares-ii-with-new-hybrid-thermal-design/

 

[bak0n]

Not feeling bad I bought the bullet on the 7870 now.

 

[wdmfiber]

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Nowhere in the article does it back up your claims about performance.[/citation]
I believe the 15-20% JJ1217 commented about was directed towards enthusiasts/techies. A rough, perhaps optimistic guess. As the 8000 series is/was just going to be a refresh/name change. Marketing really, ...but with better yields out of TSCM.

These "new" GPU's will be based on the same 28nm technology, so the only way to get a good increase in graphical power would be to buy a 8000 series card that uses more electricity(watts) vs. the 7000 series card. Similar scenario to the Radeon 5000 & 6000, as they shared the same fab pocess (40nm).

The real next generation will be the Radeon 9000's (Volcanic Islands) and nVidia 800's (Maxwell). As already mentioned by enewmen. Hopefully available sometime in 2014, but maybe not

 

[battlecrymoderngearsolid]

Im fine with this if they bring back the 4870 Dayz and match the 899 Dollar Titan with a 300 Dollar 8970...

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]wdmfiber[/nom]I believe the 15-20% JJ1217 commented about was directed towards enthusiasts/techies. A rough, perhaps optimistic guess. As the 8000 series is/was just going to be a refresh/name change. Marketing really, ...but with better yields out of TSCM.These "new" GPU's will be based on the same 28nm technology, so the only way to get a good increase in graphical power would be to buy a 8000 series card that uses more electricity(watts) vs. the 7000 series card. Similar scenario to the Radeon 5000 & 6000, as they shared the same fab pocess (40nm).The real next generation will be the Radeon 9000's (Volcanic Islands) and nVidia 800's (Maxwell). As already mentioned by enewmen. Hopefully available sometime in 2014, but maybe not[/citation]

Architectural improvements can be made. For example, going from VLIW5 in the Radeon 5000 and 6700 and down cards from Radeon 6000 to the improved VLIW5 in the Radeon 6800 cards was a significant improvement in performance per watt on the same node with the same basic architecture, just tweaked somewhat. Also, although unlikely, an architectural re-haul like from VLIW5 to VLIW4 can also be done.

Furthermore, the article only tells us that the mobile Radeon 8000 graphics coming out are to be rebrands of Radeon 7000. Nowhere does it say that the Radeon 8000 desktop cards won't be improved over the previous generation in performance per watt and in no way is it impossible. Heck, if Titan is anything like what it's said to be, it's great proof of that.

 

[killerclick]

This delay is brought to you by the release of the next-gen consoles later this year.

 

[iamtheking123]

The only advantage AMD had over NV was being a few months ahead of them on next-gen releases. Seems like they're throwing that away and shooting themselves in the foot. I figure we'll see the 700 series in August or Sept.

 

[A Bad Day]

[citation][nom]battlecrymoderngearsolid[/nom]Im fine with this if they bring back the 4870 Dayz and match the 899 Dollar Titan with a 300 Dollar 8970...[/citation]

I do believe that is in Euro. $1300 is the price tag, from what I've read from other sources.

For $1300, I could get either triple 7970s, dual 7970s with liquid cooling, or dual 7970s and reserve the extra cash for new generation GPUs that would come closer to the Titan.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]A Bad Day[/nom]I do believe that is in Euro. $1300 is the price tag, from what I've read from other sources.For $1300, I could get either triple 7970s, dual 7970s with liquid cooling, or dual 7970s and reserve the extra cash for new generation GPUs that would come closer to the Titan.[/citation]

I've read that the USA price is $900 and sources saying $1300 miscalculated from European prices (the difference between Euros and USD is often ignored by companies due to a big import tax on electronics to Europe). I guess that we'll find out for sure in the next few weeks