AMD Confirms Radeon HD 8000 Delay

[bison88]

This is going to be a boring first half of 2013. AMD's Steamroller got pushed back to next year, now the GPU, rumors are saying Nvidia isn't releasing its 700 series until around Q3, Intel Haswell pushed back til early summer. Wonder if either next-gen console releases at the end of the year are coming into play, or the economy. Maybe both, but damn everything to look forward this spring getting delayed is a bummer.

 

[JJ1217]

[citation][nom]rohitbaran[/nom]What? Which 7970 models are you talking about?[/citation]

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67172&vpn=FX797ATDFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1382

 

[stickmansam]

[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]Try again. $400 in the US (us.ncix.com). Canadian does not matter to most of us.[/citation]

This then

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131468&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

[tomfreak]

noooes, I was expecting HD8000 to push HD7000 price down.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Tomfreak[/nom]noooes, I was expecting HD8000 to push HD7000 price down.[/citation]

They may push prices down anyway. Well, AMD's at least been up to some very nice promotional deals.

 

[Guest]

still not going to upgrade my HD6850 until the 8xxx cards are released. i'll stick with amd cards for the 3d gfx, i use my 32inc 3d tv as my monitor and my HD6850 + TriDef 3d drivers (which for amd cards is half price) for some lite 3d gaming. although looking forward to getting a more powerful HD8xxx for my future 3d gaming.

 

[ojas]

[citation][nom]enewmen[/nom]Does this mean no Volcanic Islands and no Maxwell until 2015? That nearly a 2 year slip from the original rumors![/citation]
Lol not from rumors, but Nvidia's official road-map...Kepler for 2011 and Maxwell for 2013. What i think happened was that in 2011 they must have been contacted about the next gen consoles and they pushed their road-map back accordingly (at least for Maxwell, i doubt they were able to keep up with Kepler's schedule). The shift's only been one year, so i think 2014 should be the year of Maxwell's release...though it's entirely possible that they'll replace GK104 derivatives with GK110 derivatives in 2014.
[citation][nom]renz496[/nom]that's possible and we have to factor in process node as well. i believe nvidia intends to use 22nm node on Maxwell if they want significant performance improvement over Kepler. initially slated for 2013 parts but did TSMC's 22nm are ready for mass production this year?[/citation]
Yeah process node might be an additional factor...lol i wonder how the game would change if Intel started making GPUs for Nvidia. If they didn't have an interest in graphics themselves, i bet they would...

 

[bit_user]

[citation][nom]bit_user[/nom]They are not going to work on a PS4 GPU instead. That ship has already sailed.[/citation]Why did I get voted down? Don't you people understand that if the PS4 is shipping this year, its GPU must have already been completed and in production? And since AMD no longer has their own fabs, they're not limited by fab capacity.

I think a more likely explanation is that AMD knows their lineup won't stand up well to the next generation of Keplers, so they went back to the drawing board to squeeze a little more performance of their GCN2's.

 

[bit_user]

[citation][nom]caedenv[/nom]not sure why you were voted down, but you are absolutely right.[/citation]Thanks for the support!

[citation][nom]caedenv[/nom]I bet that he meant that AMD had been working on the next gen console graphics which is why there is no new consumer GPU now. But as soon as hardware is finalized then they will start pushing development for the 8K series so that they can get them out by christmas as well.[/citation]semiaccurate has excellent sources at AMD and has been saying that the HD 8xxx series was done and that AMD is just sitting on it to burn off some HD 7xxx inventory. I think a schedule shift of over half a year, this late in the cycle, indicates something big. And I don't think they would take such a decision lightly, since it pushes them out past the Haswell and Ivy Bridge-E launches.

 

[renz496]

well that's semiaccurate right? Charlie could have it 50/50 right or wrong . still remember when he start talking about GK104 before GTX680 officially launch. if my memory served me right he was correct about GK104 will consume much less power than what people would expect for parts that will compete with AMD 7970 but he was wrong about the existence about special hardware in kepler that will boost PhysX performance.

 

[renz496]

[citation][nom]ojas[/nom]Yeah process node might be an additional factor...lol i wonder how the game would change if Intel started making GPUs for Nvidia. If they didn't have an interest in graphics themselves, i bet they would...[/citation]

that's possible if crazy rumor like this comes true lol :lol:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/12/13/crazy-rumor-intel-to-acquire-nvidia2c-jen-hsun-the-new-ceo-of-intel.aspx

 

[tomfreak]

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]They may push prices down anyway. Well, AMD's at least been up to some very nice promotional deals.[/citation]yeah but delaying 8000 means 7000 will price drop will delay.

HD7000 may beat GTX600 in pricing, but it is still one of the most expensive AMD HD graphic series. HD3000,4000,5000,6000 are all overall cheaper when they are release in the market.

 

[Sakkura]

"The 7970 is still the top dog and there are very few games which stress it, and those that do will often run just fine with two of them in Crossfire."

Yes, it really does. Crossfire would run it just fine and his/her point would then be accurate if a single 7970 can manage an average of 37FPS.

Even if it didn't run just fine with two 7970s, it's still just one game. It'll take more than just one game for it to be the majority.

A 37 FPS average is not really that good in a shooter. And people who play at 5760 x 1080 are going to be in trouble if a single card is barely hanging on at 1920 x 1080.

I never said it was a widespread problem in many games. It's just that even one high-profile game is enough for people to want better hardware. Crysis 1 was a good example of that. And, of course, people don't just buy a new card to use it for a month and then that's it. You'll need to account for increasing hardware demands over time.

 

[Sakkura]

yeah but delaying 8000 means 7000 will price drop will delay.

The prices on the 7000 series have dropped a lot already. As the 6000s series showed, prices don't necessarily drop all that much when a new series is released.

 

[segio526]

Since the rumor is that both AMD and nVidia are delayed to the end of the year and UHD being the next big thing, I'm thinking the delay is to implement hardware h.265 support.

 

[Guest]

I made my decision and bought a higher performing Gigabyte 680 yesterday for my single monitor. Wanted a Gigabyte or XFX 7970 ghz, 3g but after this came out the pricing of 7970 ghz started to firm, whereas I saw a pricing drop on the Gigabyte 680 gtx 2g at $449 after rebate with pick up and no mail cost at local Micro Center .

I think this is a good decision for AMD as it will allow them to improve the quality of both their hardware, chip yields and drivers. Looking at the Newegg reviews, the Gigabyte 7970 ghzs are getting 4/5 star satisfactory reviews on only around 70% of their cards where as the Gigabyte 680 I bought had 95% satisfactory 4/5 start rating. That 25% difference means a loss of a lot of disgruntled customers. The coolers are essentially the same so its either chips/design/drivers.

 

[hannibal]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GeForce-Titan-leak-launch,20977.html

Hmm... Maybe that h256, or next DX version or 22nm production node. The Ghz-versions are allready a facelift for original 7000 series, so it may be economically wice to wait until they can get more speed or features by using the same amount of silicon. If they can only get small pesentage of more speed, it is easier to consentrate to make drivers more optimised than make new card with same speed as the previous...
AMD is not willing to make bigger GPU than 7970 is, so it is very hard to make it so much better that it is a worth of it. Nvidia on the other hand has allways been willing to make monster GOU for at any cost, so there is a plase for Titan in their portfolio. Allso new console GPU production can eat a lot of AMD production capasity, so it would be hard to produce anything else before next year in any way. This way thet can consentrate all their effords to new console GPU's and have bigger demand for new desktop GPU in next upgrade cycle. What GPU makers need at this moment are cheap enough 4K monitors for the desktop to really drive the need of new GPU's high! And it seems to be so that 4K monitors are going to reamin guite expensive for a while and when most consumers are going to use their 1080p monitors for next 3-6 years... They most propably have anything they need. Ofcource new games like Crysis3 and some other can be really demanding, but they don't present the big picture of market.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Sakkura[/nom]A 37 FPS average is not really that good in a shooter. And people who play at 5760 x 1080 are going to be in trouble if a single card is barely hanging on at 1920 x 1080.I never said it was a widespread problem in many games. It's just that even one high-profile game is enough for people to want better hardware. Crysis 1 was a good example of that. And, of course, people don't just buy a new card to use it for a month and then that's it. You'll need to account for increasing hardware demands over time.[/citation]

It doesn't matter if 37 FPS average is good or not because there's the option for Crossfire, which will then have good performance. Furthermore, even if it was one example and even if that did matter, it wouldn't prove him/her wrong about there not being many games to stress the 7970 anyway.

 

[tomfreak]

[citation][nom]Sakkura[/nom]The prices on the 7000 series have dropped a lot already. As the 6000s series showed, prices don't necessarily drop all that much when a new series is released.[/citation]6850 is faster than 7770 are selling as low as below $100 as new unit. It is a larger chip, 256bit, 8 BGA memory chips, more VRM and more complex PCB so the cost of manufacturing is easily more than 7770. I can easily see there are still quite a lot of room for 7000 series to drop. At least for 7700/7800 due to smaller die size, simpler PCB than their predecessor.

 

[hannibal]

If TSMC is really on track with 20nm production (doubtfull when considering their resent releases) it may be one really good reason to delay!

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371203/TSMC-to-offer-only-one-process-at-20-nm

http://eetimes.com/design/eda-design/4398190/20-nm-open-for-design-says-TSMC

 

[Sakkura]

It doesn't matter if 37 FPS average is good or not because there's the option for Crossfire, which will then have good performance. Furthermore, even if it was one example and even if that did matter, it wouldn't prove him/her wrong about there not being many games to stress the 7970 anyway.

Crossfire does not automatically lead to good performance at 5760x1080. Tom's article suggests two 7970s wouldn't be enough. HardOCP showed a pair of 7970s in Crossfire giving 51 FPS average at 2560x1600... that's not much buffer for stepping up to 5760x1080.

6850 is faster than 7770 are selling as low as below $100 as new unit. It is a larger chip, 256bit, 8 BGA memory chips, more VRM and more complex PCB so the cost of manufacturing is easily more than 7770. I can easily see there are still quite a lot of room for 7000 series to drop. At least for 7700/7800 due to smaller die size, simpler PCB than their predecessor.

Madness. The 6850 never got that low in sustained pricing, and is difficult to find at all these days. Newegg has just one, priced at $143. They have 23 different 7770s going for down to just about $100.

And the 6850 really isn't noticeably faster than the 7770 anymore.

 

[redeemer]

There are no suprises here, each company in this case AMD and Nvidia pretty much know where the other company is going to be performance wise. Why else do you think performance is within 10% max of eachothers flagship offerings? They are have both agreed to ride out until Q4, Now the Titan is just a limited production run!

 

[master9716]

This is good news, Means that the PS4 Will have some well though out video hardware. Remember the AWFULL PS3 Move ? they released Dual Video Cards that a couple months later was Super outperformed by a Single 8800Gt ?

 

[The_Trutherizer]

Pretty good cards. I don't think there's a problem.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Tomfreak[/nom]6850 is faster than 7770 are selling as low as below $100 as new unit. It is a larger chip, 256bit, 8 BGA memory chips, more VRM and more complex PCB so the cost of manufacturing is easily more than 7770. I can easily see there are still quite a lot of room for 7000 series to drop. At least for 7700/7800 due to smaller die size, simpler PCB than their predecessor.[/citation]

Actually, with current drivers, the 7770 is faster than the 6850. The 6850s are also not being manufactured anymore AFAIK and current remaining stock's prices shouldn't have much to do with manufacturing cost, but how low they have to go to get rid of them while still making money. Also, like Sakkura said, I don't see 6850s averaging anywhere near $100 whereas I find several 7770s around $100-110 at any given time.