AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture

[The Q6660 Inside]

I'm just hoping with Steamroller Amd won't be sacrificing Single threaded performance for multithreaded performance. You people do know that even the Phenom has better performance per clock compared to Piledriver in many cases. If steamroller finally puts Amd around even the first gen I7 in performance per clock i'll be happy.

And keep the high clock rates to.

Single-threaded, per-clock comparisons aren't very useful with today's multi-cored CPUs with grossly different architectures and clock speeds between manufacturers and even different generations from the same maker. The performance of a particular chip in a wide variety of programs is really what counts as that's what people see in real-world usage. That means a mix of increasingly multithreaded programs with very different characteristics. It is very difficult to even get an accurate, repeatable single-threaded benchmark today since it takes specialized tools polling CPU registers to even know how fast the CPU is running at a certain period of time. And then as we have learned, first with Intel's HyperThreading and then later with the original Phenom's per-core frequency scaling and Bulldozer's CMT modular architecture, the OS's scheduler has a big hand to play in how well a chip performs with poorly-threaded tasks as well. The single-threaded, "instructions per clock" type of comparisons are really only for academic interest today. The real useful benchmarks are the "let's run a real program in a manner in which actual users might run it and then take measurements." The 1080p+ gaming benchmarks with high detail and a decent GPU are generally representative of this, and unsurprisingly, don't show a huge amount of difference between analogous CPUs of the two makers.

So they was talking about Opteron parts. According to this roadmap (http://community.amd.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-2545-2550/AMD+Server+Roadmap.jpg) apparently they meant that some 65W Berlin will have 2x performance of X2150 (4 1.9GHz Jaguar cores). Nothing suprising and not too accurate.

That roadmap says a few things but doesn't make any mention of the performance of the Steamroller APU vs. Jaguar. All it says is that uniprocessor will move from AM3+/the 4M Piledriver die to FM2+/2M Steamroller, Jaguar SoCs will be replaced with ARM units, and that there will be a Piledriver refresh on C32/G34 but no Steamroller.

I am a little curious what the Piledriver refresh yields on C32/G34. They are keeping the same sockets so I doubt there will be any change in I/O, they are not increasing module count, and I also highly doubt there will be a platform refresh since supposedly Piledriver is the last arch supported on C32/G34 before they move to the new "GC36" socket with on-die PCIe and such. My guess is it's a new C stepping with slightly higher clocks and maybe a few small tweaks to things like caches, FPUs, and branch predictors to subtly improve performance. I suppose they could boost the L3 cache size but I haven't heard of the cache size being a significant issue in these chips.

Perhaps a small clock increase and boost in L2/L3 cache? The boulder GC36 CPUs seem to be the real next step up.

 

[Ranth]

Have you seen how much amd charge for the fx9590 or back 7 or 8 years ago for an fx55. AMD would charge massive amounts but because intel are so far ahead they can't as no one will buy them. Also the fx55 was miles behind intel pentium m line. No one in there right minds would pay £350 or £400 for the fx9590. £250 max is its value. Intel are not greedy otherwise why do they sell there 22nm products similar prices to amd 32nm products except probably another £20 premium.

I don't think you are getting the point of the fx9590. IIRC the chips are very limited, should have some more overclocking headroom (Think world records), and I think they talked about not making it available to general consumers, also it's a bit of a collectors edition.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

http://wccftech.com/amd-centurion-fx-9590-5-ghz-processor-previewed-close-core-i74770k/
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6104138

Intels laptop cpu 3dmark11 physics score still beats the the fx9590. Intel may have to release 6 cores soon to the mainstream.

>implying different GPUs
>implying the 9590 or 3940XM was not a victim based CPU.
>implying people with brains will not get the 8350 and clock that to 4.7
>implying mainstream 6-cores from a greedy company
>implying the 9590 is just another Phenom II TWKR scheme
>implying Intel beats AMD in everything beyond the 4770K
>implying Opterons lose to i3s in multithreaded tasks that support all of the Opteron's power
>implying Intel is "WAAAAY superior" than AMD in basically all tasks
>implying performance per watt counts for a desktop system, enjoy your novelty
http://i.imgur.com/AEIqCA6.jpg

Have you seen how much amd charge for the fx9590 or back 7 or 8 years ago for an fx55. AMD would charge massive amounts but because intel are so far ahead they can't as no one will buy them. Also the fx55 was miles behind intel pentium m line. No one in there right minds would pay £350 or £400 for the fx9590. £250 max is its value. Intel are not greedy otherwise why do they sell there 22nm products similar prices to amd 32nm products except probably another £20 premium.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=woySeSNBL3o#t=0s
The Athlon 64 line was equal, if not superior to P6+ in performance per clock and had a superior FPU. Not like the only Pentium M that even came close to the FX-55 was priced insanely high that only the super wealthy could afford MU_Engineer, take it from here with your mega rant

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Have you seen how much amd charge for the fx9590 or back 7 or 8 years ago for an fx55. AMD would charge massive amounts but because intel are so far ahead they can't as no one will buy them. Also the fx55 was miles behind intel pentium m line. No one in there right minds would pay £350 or £400 for the fx9590. £250 max is its value. Intel are not greedy otherwise why do they sell there 22nm products similar prices to amd 32nm products except probably another £20 premium.

I don't think you are getting the point of the fx9590. IIRC the chips are very limited, should have some more overclocking headroom (Think world records), and I think they talked about not making it available to general consumers, also it's a bit of a collectors edition.

+1, the 9370/9590 is like a Phenom II TWKR in a sense.

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

You know a study that I would love to see performed is who actually uses what they have. What I mean by that is take the guy who lives in the city, never goes into the country, never goes mudding, never goes to the mountains, never goes off road at all but he has a full size (no H2 for this waste of humanity) Hummer jacked up 10" and is usually painted a bright yellow as if that monstrosity isn't attracting enough attention already. Is that vehicle being used for what it was created for? No, because for that guy any car will be able to get him where he is going. All the awesome off road capabilities are totally wasted. 90% of Intel users fall into the same category.

I could easily afford to go online right now and buy the most expensive Intel processor and motherboard combo available, but I would never get my "money's worth" out of it. Heck I'm still running every game I want on ultra settings with my old Phenom II 965 BE, other than gaming, running the internet, a little video encoding and word processing I don't use my computer for too much. Its not running "professional level" programs that would actually take advantage of Intel's performance per clock superiority. Yes there are professionals out there that NEED that additional performance per clock (given the nature of this thread maybe some posters here), but they make up a very small dynamic of overall buyers. I would say that 90% off all people who spent way more than they needed to for their Intel system will never utilize that systems full potential or power... driving a Hummer on city streets.

That is why I'm following Steamroller's release so closely. Steamroller probably won't be as powerful clock per clock as Ivy Bridge or Haswell, but it will sure run anything that I (or 90% of all overall users) will ever need it too. Its multi-core / multi-thread capability may be the best in the industry. I have already got 4 great years out of my Phenom II, and I'm sure I'll get the same enjoyment out of Steamroller, so you guys can't say AMD has no longevity. When you buy something you buy it to do what you need it to do, anything more is a waste of money and product.

I'm pulling this topic into light mainly for the reason that I am soon getting a 3930k and overclocking. I know games don't use more than 4 cores (unless you know a little code to get around that ^_^), however I will also be doing heavy video editing and rendering. So to get the video's to public faster, it's better to have a CPU like that. Also considering the 3930k is almost literally a 3960X, it's definitely worth it for almost $500 less. Also talking about the future, future proof is where it's at. Instead of buying what's good now to play games just right (670 I would say), and having to upgrade every 6 months to get what's just right then, I'm just getting the best now to help relieve that. Plus I'll ~ be saving money in the long run with that rather then spending more and more to get lower power hardware.

With the 3930k @ 4.5 Ghz, and a ASUS GTX 780 DirectCUII, I think I'll be good. Probably even get one more in a few months in Dual SLI.

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

The issue is, nobody cares about power. Once again, it will take at least six years (On hajifur's "UK power costs" to even get to the 4770K's INITIAL price. Not to mention, the 4770K consumes power too :3 Now hajifur, please leave if you are going to continue with this garbage or we will revert to our secret thread.

I'm concerned about power? I want to know what PSU I may need. And what about Overclocking? There are many factors relative to power. They may be minor, but they are factors.

Speaking of power, I think it's kind of strange that when I plugged this into a few calculators:
3930k @ 4.5 Ghz 1.25 v-core
Dual SLI GTX 780
and with the 2 HDDs, 1 SSD, and h100i, it all came out to ~ 850 watts.

I was kind of scared as somehow a 3770k @ 4.5, 1.2vcore and Dual SLI 680s gets ~950?

I tried it on a few calculators, they all said the same, I'm kind of scared. Lol

Power usage can be quite a bit odd, in the end, the GPUs are the real culprit. I must admit, AMD GPUs in CF (not like it works now :lol I managed to help someone upgrade to a 7850 and 8320 on a 550W, it does not get worse from there, only better. Ex:550W+3930K/3770K + Same GPU =8350 + 550W + Same GPU as it is not really worrisome. Heck, I heard a 5870 ran with a i7 920 on a 480W PSU.

Yeah, I'm also going to be overclocking the GPU (especially since it's DirectCUII). When I overclocked the 3930k in the calculator, it said ~200 watts @4.5 Ghz and 1.25 vcore. Then I know that at full load the 780 overclocked should use ~ 275. So 275+200=475. Then all the extra SATA and PCI cards fans ~150 Watts = 625.

That's ~ 75 more than the calculator told me. Throwing another 780 on there would make it 900 Watts, 50 more. It's not far off actually, but I expected it to be much more. Then I think I'm fine with a XFX 1050 Watt 80+ Gold PSU. ^_^

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

http://wccftech.com/amd-centurion-fx-9590-5-ghz-processor-previewed-close-core-i74770k/
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6104138

Intels laptop cpu 3dmark11 physics score still beats the the fx9590. Intel may have to release 6 cores soon to the mainstream.

>implying different GPUs
>implying the 9590 or 3940XM was not a victim based CPU.
>implying people with brains will not get the 8350 and clock that to 4.7
>implying mainstream 6-cores from a greedy company
>implying the 9590 is just another Phenom II TWKR scheme
>implying Intel beats AMD in everything beyond the 4770K
>implying Opterons lose to i3s in multithreaded tasks that support all of the Opteron's power
>implying Intel is "WAAAAY superior" than AMD in basically all tasks
>implying performance per watt counts for a desktop system, enjoy your novelty
http://i.imgur.com/AEIqCA6.jpg

Have you seen how much amd charge for the fx9590 or back 7 or 8 years ago for an fx55. AMD would charge massive amounts but because intel are so far ahead they can't as no one will buy them. Also the fx55 was miles behind intel pentium m line. No one in there right minds would pay £350 or £400 for the fx9590. £250 max is its value. Intel are not greedy otherwise why do they sell there 22nm products similar prices to amd 32nm products except probably another £20 premium.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=woySeSNBL3o#t=0s
The Athlon 64 line was equal, if not superior to P6+ in performance per clock and had a superior FPU. Not like the only Pentium M that even came close to the FX-55 was priced insanely high that only the super wealthy could afford MU_Engineer, take it from here with your mega rant

Why don't we just use the "Advanced 3.2 Ghz Processor" that's in iBabe? (If you saw Movie43 ). It needs a seriously fast MicroFan, but it'll work out. ^_^

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

The issue is, nobody cares about power. Once again, it will take at least six years (On hajifur's "UK power costs" to even get to the 4770K's INITIAL price. Not to mention, the 4770K consumes power too :3 Now hajifur, please leave if you are going to continue with this garbage or we will revert to our secret thread.

I'm concerned about power? I want to know what PSU I may need. And what about Overclocking? There are many factors relative to power. They may be minor, but they are factors.

Speaking of power, I think it's kind of strange that when I plugged this into a few calculators:
3930k @ 4.5 Ghz 1.25 v-core
Dual SLI GTX 780
and with the 2 HDDs, 1 SSD, and h100i, it all came out to ~ 850 watts.

I was kind of scared as somehow a 3770k @ 4.5, 1.2vcore and Dual SLI 680s gets ~950?

I tried it on a few calculators, they all said the same, I'm kind of scared. Lol

Power usage can be quite a bit odd, in the end, the GPUs are the real culprit. I must admit, AMD GPUs in CF (not like it works now :lol I managed to help someone upgrade to a 7850 and 8320 on a 550W, it does not get worse from there, only better. Ex:550W+3930K/3770K + Same GPU =8350 + 550W + Same GPU as it is not really worrisome. Heck, I heard a 5870 ran with a i7 920 on a 480W PSU.

Yeah, I'm also going to be overclocking the GPU (especially since it's DirectCUII). When I overclocked the 3930k in the calculator, it said ~200 watts @4.5 Ghz and 1.25 vcore. Then I know that at full load the 780 overclocked should use ~ 275. So 275+200=475. Then all the extra SATA and PCI cards fans ~150 Watts = 625.

That's ~ 75 more than the calculator told me. Throwing another 780 on there would make it 900 Watts, 50 more. It's not far off actually, but I expected it to be much more. Then I think I'm fine with a XFX 1050 Watt 80+ Gold PSU. ^_^

That is a very nice system I must admit. I don't know if it is just looks, but the fabled Seasonic X-series seems a bit more attractive, considering they are very similar. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

The issue is, nobody cares about power. Once again, it will take at least six years (On hajifur's "UK power costs" to even get to the 4770K's INITIAL price. Not to mention, the 4770K consumes power too :3 Now hajifur, please leave if you are going to continue with this garbage or we will revert to our secret thread.

I'm concerned about power? I want to know what PSU I may need. And what about Overclocking? There are many factors relative to power. They may be minor, but they are factors.

Speaking of power, I think it's kind of strange that when I plugged this into a few calculators:
3930k @ 4.5 Ghz 1.25 v-core
Dual SLI GTX 780
and with the 2 HDDs, 1 SSD, and h100i, it all came out to ~ 850 watts.

I was kind of scared as somehow a 3770k @ 4.5, 1.2vcore and Dual SLI 680s gets ~950?

I tried it on a few calculators, they all said the same, I'm kind of scared. Lol

Power usage can be quite a bit odd, in the end, the GPUs are the real culprit. I must admit, AMD GPUs in CF (not like it works now :lol I managed to help someone upgrade to a 7850 and 8320 on a 550W, it does not get worse from there, only better. Ex:550W+3930K/3770K + Same GPU =8350 + 550W + Same GPU as it is not really worrisome. Heck, I heard a 5870 ran with a i7 920 on a 480W PSU.

Yeah, I'm also going to be overclocking the GPU (especially since it's DirectCUII). When I overclocked the 3930k in the calculator, it said ~200 watts @4.5 Ghz and 1.25 vcore. Then I know that at full load the 780 overclocked should use ~ 275. So 275+200=475. Then all the extra SATA and PCI cards fans ~150 Watts = 625.

That's ~ 75 more than the calculator told me. Throwing another 780 on there would make it 900 Watts, 50 more. It's not far off actually, but I expected it to be much more. Then I think I'm fine with a XFX 1050 Watt 80+ Gold PSU. ^_^

That is a very nice system I must admit. I don't know if it is just looks, but the fabled Seasonic X-series seems a bit more attractive, considering they are very similar. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110

Yeah, that looks great. I'm still going to stick with my XFX one though (probably just because its $10 cheaper, lol). I wasn't too into looks as I was making this computer, I just wanted it to preform amazing. Then I realized that my case has blue LED fans, so I got 4 more 120mm Blue LED's for the side panel, and now i'm getting the ASUS PRO x79 board which has a blue and white tint, and my Corsair Vengeance is blue, even though I'm thinking about changing it to red to match the ASUS 780. Lol, I never thought it would be like this. Now with the Red, White, and Blue scheme, I may have to call it, " 'Merica Machine" or something. ^_^

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

The issue is, nobody cares about power. Once again, it will take at least six years (On hajifur's "UK power costs" to even get to the 4770K's INITIAL price. Not to mention, the 4770K consumes power too :3 Now hajifur, please leave if you are going to continue with this garbage or we will revert to our secret thread.

I'm concerned about power? I want to know what PSU I may need. And what about Overclocking? There are many factors relative to power. They may be minor, but they are factors.

Speaking of power, I think it's kind of strange that when I plugged this into a few calculators:
3930k @ 4.5 Ghz 1.25 v-core
Dual SLI GTX 780
and with the 2 HDDs, 1 SSD, and h100i, it all came out to ~ 850 watts.

I was kind of scared as somehow a 3770k @ 4.5, 1.2vcore and Dual SLI 680s gets ~950?

I tried it on a few calculators, they all said the same, I'm kind of scared. Lol

Power usage can be quite a bit odd, in the end, the GPUs are the real culprit. I must admit, AMD GPUs in CF (not like it works now :lol I managed to help someone upgrade to a 7850 and 8320 on a 550W, it does not get worse from there, only better. Ex:550W+3930K/3770K + Same GPU =8350 + 550W + Same GPU as it is not really worrisome. Heck, I heard a 5870 ran with a i7 920 on a 480W PSU.

Yeah, I'm also going to be overclocking the GPU (especially since it's DirectCUII). When I overclocked the 3930k in the calculator, it said ~200 watts @4.5 Ghz and 1.25 vcore. Then I know that at full load the 780 overclocked should use ~ 275. So 275+200=475. Then all the extra SATA and PCI cards fans ~150 Watts = 625.

That's ~ 75 more than the calculator told me. Throwing another 780 on there would make it 900 Watts, 50 more. It's not far off actually, but I expected it to be much more. Then I think I'm fine with a XFX 1050 Watt 80+ Gold PSU. ^_^

That is a very nice system I must admit. I don't know if it is just looks, but the fabled Seasonic X-series seems a bit more attractive, considering they are very similar. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110

Yeah, that looks great. I'm still going to stick with my XFX one though (probably just because its $10 cheaper, lol). I wasn't too into looks as I was making this computer, I just wanted it to preform amazing. Then I realized that my case has blue LED fans, so I got 4 more 120mm Blue LED's for the side panel, and now i'm getting the ASUS PRO x79 board which has a blue and white tint, and my Corsair Vengeance is blue, even though I'm thinking about changing it to red to match the ASUS 780. Lol, I never thought it would be like this. Now with the Red, White, and Blue scheme, I may have to call it, " 'Merica Machine" or something. ^_^

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Intel+Motherboards-_-N82E16813131801&gclid=COWg9vmKrbgCFe4-MgodPm4AeA I think the Sabertooth X79 is a better value, considering I have very good luck with its predecessor, it has a 5-year warranty (F@H farms lol) , and is "certified TUF". Add some black RAM and you are set :3

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

The issue is, nobody cares about power. Once again, it will take at least six years (On hajifur's "UK power costs" to even get to the 4770K's INITIAL price. Not to mention, the 4770K consumes power too :3 Now hajifur, please leave if you are going to continue with this garbage or we will revert to our secret thread.

I'm concerned about power? I want to know what PSU I may need. And what about Overclocking? There are many factors relative to power. They may be minor, but they are factors.

Speaking of power, I think it's kind of strange that when I plugged this into a few calculators:
3930k @ 4.5 Ghz 1.25 v-core
Dual SLI GTX 780
and with the 2 HDDs, 1 SSD, and h100i, it all came out to ~ 850 watts.

I was kind of scared as somehow a 3770k @ 4.5, 1.2vcore and Dual SLI 680s gets ~950?

I tried it on a few calculators, they all said the same, I'm kind of scared. Lol

Power usage can be quite a bit odd, in the end, the GPUs are the real culprit. I must admit, AMD GPUs in CF (not like it works now :lol I managed to help someone upgrade to a 7850 and 8320 on a 550W, it does not get worse from there, only better. Ex:550W+3930K/3770K + Same GPU =8350 + 550W + Same GPU as it is not really worrisome. Heck, I heard a 5870 ran with a i7 920 on a 480W PSU.

Yeah, I'm also going to be overclocking the GPU (especially since it's DirectCUII). When I overclocked the 3930k in the calculator, it said ~200 watts @4.5 Ghz and 1.25 vcore. Then I know that at full load the 780 overclocked should use ~ 275. So 275+200=475. Then all the extra SATA and PCI cards fans ~150 Watts = 625.

That's ~ 75 more than the calculator told me. Throwing another 780 on there would make it 900 Watts, 50 more. It's not far off actually, but I expected it to be much more. Then I think I'm fine with a XFX 1050 Watt 80+ Gold PSU. ^_^

That is a very nice system I must admit. I don't know if it is just looks, but the fabled Seasonic X-series seems a bit more attractive, considering they are very similar. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110

Yeah, that looks great. I'm still going to stick with my XFX one though (probably just because its $10 cheaper, lol). I wasn't too into looks as I was making this computer, I just wanted it to preform amazing. Then I realized that my case has blue LED fans, so I got 4 more 120mm Blue LED's for the side panel, and now i'm getting the ASUS PRO x79 board which has a blue and white tint, and my Corsair Vengeance is blue, even though I'm thinking about changing it to red to match the ASUS 780. Lol, I never thought it would be like this. Now with the Red, White, and Blue scheme, I may have to call it, " 'Merica Machine" or something. ^_^

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Intel+Motherboards-_-N82E16813131801&gclid=COWg9vmKrbgCFe4-MgodPm4AeA I think the Sabertooth X79 is a better value, considering I have very good luck with its predecessor, it has a 5-year warranty (F@H farms lol) , and is "certified TUF". Add some black RAM and you are set :3
It reminds me of my main rig: http://i.imgur.com/ZUH9n6X.jpg?1?4326
http://i.imgur.com/awlOz1s.jpg?1

Now, back to the Steamroller speculation and rumors!

 

[jdwii]

cowboy44mag
13 July 2013 05:36:26
I was comaring to the i7 6 core sandy bridge as that is what the current mainstream sandy bridge can do. Intel can sell them for a lot more as they are well ahead and that cpu is the only cpu that destroys everything. Intel are over 2x better performance per clock then piledriver so SR has really no chance on performance per clock. They will need double the cores to really compete and improve someohoo single threaded performance. AMD like to boast then release a cpu that doesn't improve much so lets see if this time there cpus get close to what they are saying.

Price/Peformance please.

 

[juanrga]

A crazy idea

I read somewhat that one of main limitations of BD/PD modules was the single decode per module. If I understood this well, the decode switches between cores within a module which means cannot feed both cores in one clock. For a ten clock period, the situation would look like (A denotes first core working, B denotes second core working and _ denotes a core is not being feed)

A_
_B
A_
_B
A_
_B
A_
_B
A_
_B

Now Steamroller has twice decoders, which means each core can be feed in one clock

AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB

Each core in Steamroller module is being twice more efficient than in bulldozer/piledriver module, earning twice more instructions. To get the same number of A and B (10 each) one would use two bulldozer/piledriver modules

A_ A_
_B _B
A_ A_
_B _B
A_ A_
_B _B
A_ A_
_B _B
A_ A_
_B _B

I know this is an oversimplification but could this partially explain why 4C/8C Piledriver are being replaced by 2C/4C Steamroller?

 

[jdwii]

cowboy44mag
13 July 2013 05:36:26
I was comaring to the i7 6 core sandy bridge as that is what the current mainstream sandy bridge can do. Intel can sell them for a lot more as they are well ahead and that cpu is the only cpu that destroys everything. Intel are over 2x better performance per clock then piledriver so SR has really no chance on performance per clock. They will need double the cores to really compete and improve someohoo single threaded performance. AMD like to boast then release a cpu that doesn't improve much so lets see if this time there cpus get close to what they are saying.

http://wccftech.com/amd-centurion-fx-9590-5-ghz-processor-previewed-close-core-i74770k/
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6104138

Intels laptop cpu 3dmark11 physics score still beats the the fx9590. Intel may have to release 6 cores soon to the mainstream.

>implying different GPUs
>implying the 9590 or 3940XM was not a victim based CPU.
>implying people with brains will not get the 8350 and clock that to 4.7
>implying mainstream 6-cores from a greedy company
>implying the 9590 is just another Phenom II TWKR scheme
>implying Intel beats AMD in everything beyond the 4770K
>implying Opterons lose to i3s in multithreaded tasks that support all of the Opteron's power
>implying Intel is "WAAAAY superior" than AMD in basically all tasks
>implying performance per watt counts for a desktop system, enjoy your novelty
http://i.imgur.com/AEIqCA6.jpg

Have you seen how much amd charge for the fx9590 or back 7 or 8 years ago for an fx55. AMD would charge massive amounts but because intel are so far ahead they can't as no one will buy them. Also the fx55 was miles behind intel pentium m line. No one in there right minds would pay £350 or £400 for the fx9590. £250 max is its value. Intel are not greedy otherwise why do they sell there 22nm products similar prices to amd 32nm products except probably another £20 premium.

Actually even then Amd FX CPU's were faster and cheaper than the intel part intel was charging more for less. Sempron was better then Celeron as well and cheaper, Same thing with Athlon vs P4 and FX vs P4 extreme, oh and that was with using a bigger die space(so it did actually cost more to make)

 

[szatkus]

A crazy idea

I read somewhat that one of main limitations of BD/PD modules was the single decode per module. If I understood this well, the decode switches between cores within a module which means cannot feed both cores in one clock. For a ten clock period, the situation would look like (A denotes first core working, B denotes second core working and _ denotes a core is not being feed)

(Many AB letters)


I know this is an oversimplification but could this explain why 4C/8C Piledriver are being replaced by 2C/4C Steamroller?

Much oversimplification. Decoder doesn't get continuous stream of instructions, even when module is under full load.
0-30% better performance seems more realistic.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Pentium m's were the best cpu on the market then but for laptops. For laptops intel have been ahead for the last 10 years. Intel netburst cpus were on the desktop pcs mainly which were behind efficiency wise but bit like he fx8350 tried to outmuscle the competition with higher tdp cpu and ghz. You could say amd piledriver and bulldozer is payback.

Bulldozer is nothing like Netburst. The 8150's clocks were lower than the previous flagship 980BE, which had the performance per clock around the same as a Q9650. The 4770K's turbo is only 100MHz lower than the 8350's stock, just so that gets cleared up. The Athlon 64M was equal to, if not better than the Pentium M line, and had support for 64-Operating Systems. Once again, K8 had the performance per clock equal to the Pentium M and featured a superior FPU. Must we bring out Mr.Octane to explain this to you again? If you want something that was actually the real start for the Core Architecture (You know, Intel's last large leap) http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/intel_s8_pentium_pro.jpg

Pentium M vs Athlon64/Turion 64- http://techreport.com/review/9377/intel-pentium-m-760-versus-amd-turion-64-ml-44
Pentium M vs 3200 (from your favorite buds at andandtech)- http://www.anandtech.com/show/1610/20

Note: You seem to imply nobody overclocked these Athlon 64(s)

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

The issue is, nobody cares about power. Once again, it will take at least six years (On hajifur's "UK power costs" to even get to the 4770K's INITIAL price. Not to mention, the 4770K consumes power too :3 Now hajifur, please leave if you are going to continue with this garbage or we will revert to our secret thread.

I'm concerned about power? I want to know what PSU I may need. And what about Overclocking? There are many factors relative to power. They may be minor, but they are factors.

Speaking of power, I think it's kind of strange that when I plugged this into a few calculators:
3930k @ 4.5 Ghz 1.25 v-core
Dual SLI GTX 780
and with the 2 HDDs, 1 SSD, and h100i, it all came out to ~ 850 watts.

I was kind of scared as somehow a 3770k @ 4.5, 1.2vcore and Dual SLI 680s gets ~950?

I tried it on a few calculators, they all said the same, I'm kind of scared. Lol

Power usage can be quite a bit odd, in the end, the GPUs are the real culprit. I must admit, AMD GPUs in CF (not like it works now :lol I managed to help someone upgrade to a 7850 and 8320 on a 550W, it does not get worse from there, only better. Ex:550W+3930K/3770K + Same GPU =8350 + 550W + Same GPU as it is not really worrisome. Heck, I heard a 5870 ran with a i7 920 on a 480W PSU.

Yeah, I'm also going to be overclocking the GPU (especially since it's DirectCUII). When I overclocked the 3930k in the calculator, it said ~200 watts @4.5 Ghz and 1.25 vcore. Then I know that at full load the 780 overclocked should use ~ 275. So 275+200=475. Then all the extra SATA and PCI cards fans ~150 Watts = 625.

That's ~ 75 more than the calculator told me. Throwing another 780 on there would make it 900 Watts, 50 more. It's not far off actually, but I expected it to be much more. Then I think I'm fine with a XFX 1050 Watt 80+ Gold PSU. ^_^

That is a very nice system I must admit. I don't know if it is just looks, but the fabled Seasonic X-series seems a bit more attractive, considering they are very similar. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110

Yeah, that looks great. I'm still going to stick with my XFX one though (probably just because its $10 cheaper, lol). I wasn't too into looks as I was making this computer, I just wanted it to preform amazing. Then I realized that my case has blue LED fans, so I got 4 more 120mm Blue LED's for the side panel, and now i'm getting the ASUS PRO x79 board which has a blue and white tint, and my Corsair Vengeance is blue, even though I'm thinking about changing it to red to match the ASUS 780. Lol, I never thought it would be like this. Now with the Red, White, and Blue scheme, I may have to call it, " 'Merica Machine" or something. ^_^

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Intel+Motherboards-_-N82E16813131801&gclid=COWg9vmKrbgCFe4-MgodPm4AeA I think the Sabertooth X79 is a better value, considering I have very good luck with its predecessor, it has a 5-year warranty (F@H farms lol) , and is "certified TUF". Add some black RAM and you are set :3

I was looking at that as well. I actually made a thread debating which one I should get, the PRO or the SABERTOOTH. I decided on the PRO simply because of the PCIE x1 slot location. I'm also getting an Avermedia Live Gamer PRO, which uses PCIE x1, but I didn't want that card to close to the GPU so there wouldn't be as much heat build up. The idea is to get the Recorder Card on the bottom of the PRO board, and the 780 on top, so there's better airflow between the two. Then if I get another 780, U'll just throw it in the 3rd down PCIE x16 slot so 1 slot from the other 780 and the recorder card.

The only advantages to the Saber tooth board is the Fans that are on it, and a couple of small features. Plus the PRO board does fit with my color code better. Otherwise the Saber tooth looks sick. If I do get that however, and run the cards next to each other, will they be alright?

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

The issue is, nobody cares about power. Once again, it will take at least six years (On hajifur's "UK power costs" to even get to the 4770K's INITIAL price. Not to mention, the 4770K consumes power too :3 Now hajifur, please leave if you are going to continue with this garbage or we will revert to our secret thread.

I'm concerned about power? I want to know what PSU I may need. And what about Overclocking? There are many factors relative to power. They may be minor, but they are factors.

Speaking of power, I think it's kind of strange that when I plugged this into a few calculators:
3930k @ 4.5 Ghz 1.25 v-core
Dual SLI GTX 780
and with the 2 HDDs, 1 SSD, and h100i, it all came out to ~ 850 watts.

I was kind of scared as somehow a 3770k @ 4.5, 1.2vcore and Dual SLI 680s gets ~950?

I tried it on a few calculators, they all said the same, I'm kind of scared. Lol

Power usage can be quite a bit odd, in the end, the GPUs are the real culprit. I must admit, AMD GPUs in CF (not like it works now :lol I managed to help someone upgrade to a 7850 and 8320 on a 550W, it does not get worse from there, only better. Ex:550W+3930K/3770K + Same GPU =8350 + 550W + Same GPU as it is not really worrisome. Heck, I heard a 5870 ran with a i7 920 on a 480W PSU.

Yeah, I'm also going to be overclocking the GPU (especially since it's DirectCUII). When I overclocked the 3930k in the calculator, it said ~200 watts @4.5 Ghz and 1.25 vcore. Then I know that at full load the 780 overclocked should use ~ 275. So 275+200=475. Then all the extra SATA and PCI cards fans ~150 Watts = 625.

That's ~ 75 more than the calculator told me. Throwing another 780 on there would make it 900 Watts, 50 more. It's not far off actually, but I expected it to be much more. Then I think I'm fine with a XFX 1050 Watt 80+ Gold PSU. ^_^

That is a very nice system I must admit. I don't know if it is just looks, but the fabled Seasonic X-series seems a bit more attractive, considering they are very similar. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110

Yeah, that looks great. I'm still going to stick with my XFX one though (probably just because its $10 cheaper, lol). I wasn't too into looks as I was making this computer, I just wanted it to preform amazing. Then I realized that my case has blue LED fans, so I got 4 more 120mm Blue LED's for the side panel, and now i'm getting the ASUS PRO x79 board which has a blue and white tint, and my Corsair Vengeance is blue, even though I'm thinking about changing it to red to match the ASUS 780. Lol, I never thought it would be like this. Now with the Red, White, and Blue scheme, I may have to call it, " 'Merica Machine" or something. ^_^

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Intel+Motherboards-_-N82E16813131801&gclid=COWg9vmKrbgCFe4-MgodPm4AeA I think the Sabertooth X79 is a better value, considering I have very good luck with its predecessor, it has a 5-year warranty (F@H farms lol) , and is "certified TUF". Add some black RAM and you are set :3

I was looking at that as well. I actually made a thread debating which one I should get, the PRO or the SABERTOOTH. I decided on the PRO simply because of the PCIE x1 slot location. I'm also getting an Avermedia Live Gamer PRO, which uses PCIE x1, but I didn't want that card to close to the GPU so there wouldn't be as much heat build up. The idea is to get the Recorder Card on the bottom of the PRO board, and the 780 on top, so there's better airflow between the two. Then if I get another 780, I'll just throw it in the 3rd down PCIE x16 slot so 1 slot from the other 780 and the recorder card.

The only advantages to the Saber tooth board is the Fans that are on it, and a couple of small features. Plus the PRO board does fit with my color code better. Otherwise the Saber tooth looks sick. If I do get that however, and run the cards next to each other, will they be alright?

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

The issue is, nobody cares about power. Once again, it will take at least six years (On hajifur's "UK power costs" to even get to the 4770K's INITIAL price. Not to mention, the 4770K consumes power too :3 Now hajifur, please leave if you are going to continue with this garbage or we will revert to our secret thread.

I'm concerned about power? I want to know what PSU I may need. And what about Overclocking? There are many factors relative to power. They may be minor, but they are factors.

Speaking of power, I think it's kind of strange that when I plugged this into a few calculators:
3930k @ 4.5 Ghz 1.25 v-core
Dual SLI GTX 780
and with the 2 HDDs, 1 SSD, and h100i, it all came out to ~ 850 watts.

I was kind of scared as somehow a 3770k @ 4.5, 1.2vcore and Dual SLI 680s gets ~950?

I tried it on a few calculators, they all said the same, I'm kind of scared. Lol

Power usage can be quite a bit odd, in the end, the GPUs are the real culprit. I must admit, AMD GPUs in CF (not like it works now :lol I managed to help someone upgrade to a 7850 and 8320 on a 550W, it does not get worse from there, only better. Ex:550W+3930K/3770K + Same GPU =8350 + 550W + Same GPU as it is not really worrisome. Heck, I heard a 5870 ran with a i7 920 on a 480W PSU.

Yeah, I'm also going to be overclocking the GPU (especially since it's DirectCUII). When I overclocked the 3930k in the calculator, it said ~200 watts @4.5 Ghz and 1.25 vcore. Then I know that at full load the 780 overclocked should use ~ 275. So 275+200=475. Then all the extra SATA and PCI cards fans ~150 Watts = 625.

That's ~ 75 more than the calculator told me. Throwing another 780 on there would make it 900 Watts, 50 more. It's not far off actually, but I expected it to be much more. Then I think I'm fine with a XFX 1050 Watt 80+ Gold PSU. ^_^

That is a very nice system I must admit. I don't know if it is just looks, but the fabled Seasonic X-series seems a bit more attractive, considering they are very similar. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110

Yeah, that looks great. I'm still going to stick with my XFX one though (probably just because its $10 cheaper, lol). I wasn't too into looks as I was making this computer, I just wanted it to preform amazing. Then I realized that my case has blue LED fans, so I got 4 more 120mm Blue LED's for the side panel, and now i'm getting the ASUS PRO x79 board which has a blue and white tint, and my Corsair Vengeance is blue, even though I'm thinking about changing it to red to match the ASUS 780. Lol, I never thought it would be like this. Now with the Red, White, and Blue scheme, I may have to call it, " 'Merica Machine" or something. ^_^

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Intel+Motherboards-_-N82E16813131801&gclid=COWg9vmKrbgCFe4-MgodPm4AeA I think the Sabertooth X79 is a better value, considering I have very good luck with its predecessor, it has a 5-year warranty (F@H farms lol) , and is "certified TUF". Add some black RAM and you are set :3

I was looking at that as well. I actually made a thread debating which one I should get, the PRO or the SABERTOOTH. I decided on the PRO simply because of the PCIE x1 slot location. I'm also getting an Avermedia Live Gamer PRO, which uses PCIE x1, but I didn't want that card to close to the GPU so there wouldn't be as much heat build up. The idea is to get the Recorder Card on the bottom of the PRO board, and the 780 on top, so there's better airflow between the two. Then if I get another 780, U'll just throw it in the 3rd down PCIE x16 slot so 1 slot from the other 780 and the recorder card.

The only advantages to the Saber tooth board is the Fans that are on it, and a couple of small features. Plus the PRO board does fit with my color code better. Otherwise the Saber tooth looks sick. If I do get that however, and run the cards next to each other, will they be alright?

They will be fine, there was once a debate on this with Dual GTX 480\580s in Bad Company 2 on a Sabertooth X58 and it seemed to have no issues with heat\size with no noticeable increase, and with the moving of the PCI lane with the Sabertooth X79, you should be fine. Anyways, the cards are designed to function in SLI like that and nice choice using ASUS Direct CUII cards (love\loved their DCUII 570).

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

The pentium m line was so power efficient it still looks power efficient beating intel atoms performance. Even the top end pentium m still beats out atom dual cores while taking very little power. I had two pentium m machines and even when you 100% stressed the cpu you could not even hear the fan thats because it was so low powered. AMD have been behind for the last 10 years on the mobile market,, its a well known fact. You can say amd had 64bit first but then again 64bit only was better if you had 4gb ram for os and being slighty faster.

Did you even care to view my post and still continue this nonsense?

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

I got kind of bored so I looked around. Many of you may have seen this, but some may haven't. It's a CPU test with every processor from AMD and Intel made (that could be tested), that are tested using PassMark. They also show Price to Performance points on the second option at the top:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/overclocked_cpus.html

NOTE: They Are Not Overclocked, it's just a mistake. I don't know why it says overclocked, they are all stated at their stock clocks.

 

[szatkus]

I got kind of bored so I looked around. Many of you may have seen this, but some may haven't. It's a CPU test with every processor from AMD and Intel made (that could be tested), that are tested using PassMark. They also show Price to Performance points on the second option at the top:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/overclocked_cpus.html

NOTE: They Are Not Overclocked, it's just a mistake. I don't know why it says overclocked, they are all stated at their stock clocks.

One of first google results for anything about CPU. Boring.
Even discoveries of fanboys of Intel (Intel is twice performance of AMD per clock) or AMD (Steamroller will have SB performance per clock) are more interesting.

Maybe on monday...

 

[cowboy44mag]

cowboy44mag
13 July 2013 05:36:26
I was comaring to the i7 6 core sandy bridge as that is what the current mainstream sandy bridge can do. Intel can sell them for a lot more as they are well ahead and that cpu is the only cpu that destroys everything. Intel are over 2x better performance per clock then piledriver so SR has really no chance on performance per clock. They will need double the cores to really compete and improve someohoo single threaded performance. AMD like to boast then release a cpu that doesn't improve much so lets see if this time there cpus get close to what they are saying.

Boasting is an industry standard, everyone does it. Lets not forget Haswell was supposed to be a 15% improvement over Ivy Bridge. Haswell didn't even come close.

 

[cowboy44mag]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=697
i7 2600k beating the fx8350 overall quite easily. Intels main advantage is the significant performance per watt lead they have. This will be shown in performance only when the 8 core haswell cpu gets released. Steamroller should get to 20% within sandy bridge levels at best.

This is where buying an Intel CPU (the right one for the job) counts. The the performance per core per watt ratio, its unbeatable.

You know a study that I would love to see performed is who actually uses what they have. What I mean by that is take the guy who lives in the city, never goes into the country, never goes mudding, never goes to the mountains, never goes off road at all but he has a full size (no H2 for this waste of humanity) Hummer jacked up 10" and is usually painted a bright yellow as if that monstrosity isn't attracting enough attention already. Is that vehicle being used for what it was created for? No, because for that guy any car will be able to get him where he is going. All the awesome off road capabilities are totally wasted. 90% of Intel users fall into the same category.

I could easily afford to go online right now and buy the most expensive Intel processor and motherboard combo available, but I would never get my "money's worth" out of it. Heck I'm still running every game I want on ultra settings with my old Phenom II 965 BE, other than gaming, running the internet, a little video encoding and word processing I don't use my computer for too much. Its not running "professional level" programs that would actually take advantage of Intel's performance per clock superiority. Yes there are professionals out there that NEED that additional performance per clock (given the nature of this thread maybe some posters here), but they make up a very small dynamic of overall buyers. I would say that 90% off all people who spent way more than they needed to for their Intel system will never utilize that systems full potential or power... driving a Hummer on city streets.

That is why I'm following Steamroller's release so closely. Steamroller probably won't be as powerful clock per clock as Ivy Bridge or Haswell, but it will sure run anything that I (or 90% of all overall users) will ever need it too. Its multi-core / multi-thread capability may be the best in the industry. I have already got 4 great years out of my Phenom II, and I'm sure I'll get the same enjoyment out of Steamroller, so you guys can't say AMD has no longevity. When you buy something you buy it to do what you need it to do, anything more is a waste of money and product.

I'm pulling this topic into light mainly for the reason that I am soon getting a 3930k and overclocking. I know games don't use more than 4 cores (unless you know a little code to get around that ^_^), however I will also be doing heavy video editing and rendering. So to get the video's to public faster, it's better to have a CPU like that. Also considering the 3930k is almost literally a 3960X, it's definitely worth it for almost $500 less. Also talking about the future, future proof is where it's at. Instead of buying what's good now to play games just right (670 I would say), and having to upgrade every 6 months to get what's just right then, I'm just getting the best now to help relieve that. Plus I'll ~ be saving money in the long run with that rather then spending more and more to get lower power hardware.

With the 3930k @ 4.5 Ghz, and a ASUS GTX 780 DirectCUII, I think I'll be good. Probably even get one more in a few months in Dual SLI.

You may actually use the full power of your Intel rig, as I said some buyers probably will, and you probably know you are a "heavy user" and fall in that 10% margin. If I remember correctly you are getting ready to go off to college, so you may actually use 100% of your Intel's rig (depending on major). That doesn't mean that there are many people, even on this tread who would need the same performance that you do.

As far as "future prof" goes I bought my processor 4 years ago. The only reason I have upgraded my other components is in preparation for Steamroller. I would say 4 long years of doing everything I ever asked it to do was "future proffed". I don't think your going to get much more than 4 or 5 years out of a processor before you can no longer play everything at the maximum settings. So yes you can get future proof with Intel, but you can also get future prof with AMD as well. I still think the future of all computing is multi-core, multi-threaded applications. If this is the case, PD and for sure Steamroller will be future proof.

 

[8350rocks]

The pentium m line was so power efficient it still looks power efficient beating intel atoms performance. Even the top end pentium m still beats out atom dual cores while taking very little power. I had two pentium m machines and even when you 100% stressed the cpu you could not even hear the fan thats because it was so low powered. AMD have been behind for the last 10 years on the mobile market,, its a well known fact. You can say amd had 64bit first but then again 64bit only was better if you had 4gb ram for os and being slighty faster.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+M+1500MHz

If the pentium M was so great...why is it firmly behind an Athlon XP 2100+ in Passmark?

How about because it wasn't great...

From this point forward in this thread...you're required to post at least 4 benchmarks showing your point of view from 4 different sites. Those sites cannot include:

AnandTech.com
CPUboss.com
notebookcheck.com

If you can do that from this point forward, you may continue posting. If not, then you need to sell your BS to someone else who wants to listen...because nobody here is buying it.