AMD Phenom II 940 "Xtremely" Benchmarked

[spathotan]

I know Larabee is a little ways off, and maybe even vapor(hard)ware some believe. But, if Larabee was even remotely close to comming out I dont think Intel would be supporting tech like this, this is sort of a +1 to ATI and Nvidia, but could also potentially severly hurt sales if this Hydra chip really takes off.

Imagine if the scailing is great with little issues, imagine 4870 + GTX 260 or what not, this would probably kill Nvidia's high end (GTX 280..) sales, but Nvidia would have no control over it. Same could be said for ATI except they really have nothing between the 4870 and 4870X2, and I dont think anything is gonna raise/slow 4870X2 sales since its so "niche" to begin with. Really depends on prices.

Bottom line is this Hydra engine could be a potential dangerous weapon in the hands of Intel, they could really make Nvidia bend over with this, all it takes is the other X58 board manufactures (except EVGA, they are Nvidia and nothing else to the bone) to somehow pick this up and toss out that Nvidia SB/SLi chip, which would also lower board prices.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

And thus the cost issue. Thats if it works as well as said. I agree with that scenario as well. I somehow have a feeling this is more trial ware than performance ware tho. Im not certain of the profits nVidia makes off its sli chip, Id imagine theyre not huge, but time will tell on this

 

[rangers]

pick this up and toss out that Nvidia SB/SLi chip

there is no SB/SLi chip on the x58 motherboard, they do it through the bios

 

[spathotan]

The boards have the Nforce 200 chipset

 

[rangers]

no they dont, go look it up, im almost certain

 

[spathotan]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8921&Itemid=37

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=695524

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8796&Itemid=37

http://www.3dgameman.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53543

^ All mentions/articles of the Nforce 200 chipset on these boards ^

http://www.ditii.com/2008/08/28/nvidia-will-authorize-native-sli-support-on-intel-x58-motherboards-without-nforce-200-chip/

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15405

^ Mentions/reports on native support (no need for the chip) ^

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

From TR

"Motherboard makers who wish to have their X58 boards certified for SLI will have to submit their products for testing in Nvidia's Santa Clara certification lab, and those boards must pass basic testing for functionality, slot placement, and the like. Certification will not be free, either. Board makers will have to select from a menu of licensing options available to them. Certified boards will also be required to display an "SLI Certified" logo on their boxes and other marketing materials."

So it looks like theyll get their money 1 way or another

 

[spathotan]

Yea. It seems this first wave of boards have the actual chip on them, while later models/revisions will just be given a "BIOS key". Apparently the physical chip was worthless, as all it did was hold the "key" for operation.

 

[rangers]

http://www.guru3d.com/news/nvidia-sli-for-new-intel-core-i7-platforms/

"New motherboards and PCs designed for SLI technology and Bloomfield processors are currently in final production and are being readied for time-to-market introduction based on Intel processor launch schedules. The motherboards and PC systems coming to market will feature a variety of graphics connectivity options, including more advanced bandwidth configurations using the NVIDIA nForce® 200 SLI processor, as well as those designed to run SLI technology natively through a licensing and certification program."


i was half right, aparently on some motherboards you can sli through the bios

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Now, again, the question is, will it work, and whats the cost/performance vs what we already have? It may just be another option that doesnt play well, and all this talk about Intel taking gaming seriously may just be talk, time will tell

 

[rangers]

From TR

"Motherboard makers who wish to have their X58 boards certified for SLI will have to submit their products for testing in Nvidia's Santa Clara certification lab, and those boards must pass basic testing for functionality, slot placement, and the like. Certification will not be free, either. Board makers will have to select from a menu of licensing options available to them. Certified boards will also be required to display an "SLI Certified" logo on their boxes and other marketing materials."

So it looks like theyll get their money 1 way or another

yes they will get there money, but the boards will be the same sli and non sli, but you'll have to pay more for the sli one, and that lets some one mod a non sli board into a sli board

 

[rangers]

this thread has a life of its own, my way of saying we went of topic

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Possibly. I know theres people doing alot of smiling when this was announced heheh

 

[rangers]

i was one, lol

 

[rangers]

what time is it on your side of the planet jaydee

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

8:26pm

Here " on vista intel and amd 45nm quads are close together with slight advantage for amd in performance per clock I would say. was real good to see yesterday and tomorrow I maybe have the possibility to test with a cascade " from here

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=210814&page=4

 

[rangers]

4.28 and im off to bed, see you later on today

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Sounds good, dream about the 5xxx heheh

 

[rangers]

i dream about a 32core bahemoth with 6 500gig SSDs in raid0, better not go on, ill wake up wet, maybe that was to much information

 

[unclefester]

Could this dream become reality?

http://www.physorg.com/news148916104.html

Thought this would add to Dattimr's "exquisite" little thread

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Especially when the gate length on that is 150nm, compared to 25nm on say, 22nm arch

 

[unclefester]

Wonder how much that will be perfected in the next 5 to 10 years?
Haven't I seen where AMD and IBM where in cahoots?
Wonder how much more $H!+ we'll see from these big corps trying to one-up each other?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Heres some xfire numbers http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/amd/Phenom_II_X4_940_CrossFire_benchmarks/Phenom_II_X4_940_CrossFire_doom3_fear_benchmarks.htm

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yea, wasnt Intel about to announce something at the same time? Just like nVidia releasing its "previews" on its G295, right before Christmas, its either, "look at me" or "dont spend your money just yet, cause look what I dont have out yet" heheh

 

[yipsl]

I can't wait for the NDA to be over regarding Deneb. The whole Dec. 14th thing was about the K10 dual cores and my thread on those died quicker than jokes about the recession.

What I want to see is not Phenom II vs. i7 (who's really waiting to buy based on that?), but how the various Phenom II's stack up against each other and against Phenom and similarly priced and clocked Core 2's.

We'll see a couple of Denebs in January aimed at upgraders with 790 motherboards, followed by AMD Denebs and cut down cache Phenom II's marketed as quad and triple Athlon's.

We'll just have to wait and see. I'll be glad when we have something posted at Anandtech, Tom's and Xbit Labs etc. that we can actually base our arguments on.