AMD Phenom II 940 "Xtremely" Benchmarked

[amdfangirl]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11172&Itemid=1

Not the most reliable source, but it looks like you may get your wish.

Haha... right... Like they can reduce their TDP from 125W to 45W in a couple of weeks.

Track histories.

Wikipeida doesnt even deserve to be called a site....its just crap.
Fudzilla....proven unreliable
The Inq....proven unreliable

Its not about what anyone wants to believe, its about the verocity of the information passed....the track history.

Wikipedia is ok tho.

^Thats why I like Steam. Its in a way a DRM but its non intrussive and easier than say SecuRom.

What's your steam account? Might as well add you.

 

[turpit]

So, AMD comes within 7% of power usage at a higher clock, ruins i7s power numbers, is cooler as well, and ocees fine. All without HKMG. Not bad, not bad at all.

Uhh..not really

To see what they do but the processors and the current ...
The figures below refer to the total power consumption of the whole system.

Intel s1366 Rig:
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 + 940
Mother: GigaByte EX58 Extreme
VGA: Geforce GTX260 216sp
Memory: G. Skill 3x1GB 1333GBKL C8
Cooling RAM: Corsair Dominator Airflow
Drives: 300GB VelociRaptor

Intel s775 Rig
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad 6600, Q9450, Q9550
Mother: Asus P5E64 WS Evolution
VGA: Geforce GTX260 216sp
Memory: Patriot 2x1GB 1866LLK C8
Cooling RAM: Corsair Dominator Airflow
Drives: 300GB VelociRaptor


AMD Rig:
Processor: AMD Phenom II 920 + 940
Mother: Foxconn Destroyer
VGA: Geforce GTX260 216sp
Memory: Corsair Dominator PC10000 2 * 1GB
Cooling RAM: Corsair Dominator Airflow
Drives: 300GB VelociRaptor

With different mobos/chipsets and memory included in the results, these results are not an accurate representation of any of the CPUs listed actual power usage. Not to mention I didnt see the SU listed, but we can assume it was the same for all 3 systems

 

[amdfangirl]

Agree. Ive been living with a very hot Q6600 for over a year. In the summer time it gets like 80f+ in this room, it idles at like 45c.

I'm gonna replace my stock cooler. It's summer 🙁 .

Its nice to see that AMD has solved another problem or cleared another hurdle rhats been a burr in their side tho. I agree, who really cares? Its just a point to make, when selling these chips (plus fangirl will like this), so some people do care I guess.
The temps will either be here tonight or by lare tomorrow, as well as the ocee perf

Sounds good to me.

Pretty good power numbers actually. It'd be much more pronounced if both Agena and Deneb numbers were side by side. Also, my guess is that these numbers are on the very high side of what to expect.

Another thing that I will be waiting to see, are Temp numbers. These are cool little chips, and come summer time, it might be a considerable advantage to AMD and may be a deciding factor on which chip users will choose. I'll be watching to see if the forums fill up with i7 heat related issues.

If only my board supported Deneb...

 

[turpit]

Wikipedia is ok tho.

Wikipedia is crap and an embarassment to humanity. A word of warning, I dont know how the school systems are in austrailia, but in the US, they (at least the ones Im familiar with) dont allow wikipedia as a refernce source due to its lack of accuracy

 

[amdfangirl]

I know that of course, I just use it to say view the songs in Singstar or something like that. Nothing mission critical.

 

[accord99]

So, AMD comes within 7% of power usage at a higher clock, ruins i7s power numbers, is cooler as well, and ocees fine. All without HKMG. Not bad, not bad at all.

Though running in games, the Core i7 system uses less power. At full CPU load that maximizes the 8 thread potential of the i7, sure it uses more power but then again you get the throughput of existing 2 socket/8 core systems.

On the other hand, Phenom II remains behind its main competitor, Yorkfield in performance and power consumption.

 

[spathotan]

I like how Wikipedia has been begging and pleading for money lately, and even had the "founder/owner/ceo" of the "company" put up a message begging.

Its a decent source for basic information and what not, but its mainly cataloged opinions.

 

[accord99]

Another thing that I will be waiting to see, are Temp numbers. These are cool little chips, and come summer time, it might be a considerable advantage to AMD and may be a deciding factor on which chip users will choose. I'll be watching to see if the forums fill up with i7 heat related issues.

Power and heat are one and the same.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Im refering to the 12 watt difference between the 9550 and P2, which is around 7%. As for i7, the perf and costs it has, means it not top for power/perf here at all. In gaming, theyre all equal, but the very thing i7 excels at, they give poor power useage % wise for perf. Its been said, overall 17% perf over 9550, and yet its 20% more power for P2 alone, not even counting the 9550s somewhat better perf

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

And if youre really considering less than 4% in power usage a failure....hmmmm. Ill say it again, this is without HKMG.

 

[turpit]

Im refering to the 12 watt difference between the 9550 and P2, which is around 7%. As for i7, the perf and costs it has, means it not top for power/perf here at all. In gaming, theyre all equal, but the very thing i7 excels at, they give poor power useage % wise for perf. Its been said, overall 17% perf over 9550, and yet its 20% more power for P2 alone, not even counting the 9550s somewhat better perf

Perhaps you should refer to the statement above the power charts that says all the power figures are TOTAL SYSTEM USAGE, not CPU use, because it negates the comparison

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Heres whats good about this. Its a cheap solution, so when the price/perf/power numbers comes in, itll win overall. No doubt aboutr it. Now, it may win a few, and lost a few more to the 9550, but if the chips cheaper, and the platform is cheaper, who cares? To label something as failure when Intels been touting its perf/power for awile now, when if you include price, the P2 is not failure here. I dont really need to defend facts. Time will tell on these chips. I like both the Yorky and the P2 scenarios, but if ones cheaper than the other, Im getting that one, and if Intel comes down in price, which theyll more or less have to, then, yes, it wins, if not, no way

 

[spathotan]

Look, the cost of i7 isnt even an issue if the P2 945 is close to it, as in $270+. Now the motherboards are a different story, but then again not by much, there are a few good 1366 boards at $205 and what not, and one of the higher up 790GX boards right now are $140 and up for Gig ASUS and MSI. I know this has been said over and over, but its not THAT much different.

$295 - i7 920
$210 - Gigabyte X58
$150 - 6GB DDR3 1333
$665 total

$250 guestimation - Phenom II 945 AM3
$160 guestimation - AM3 790GX
$90 - 4GB DDR3 1333
$500 total

Guestimated $165 difference, then you have to take features into account. i7 has HT for servers/apps that fit the bill, X58 has SLi and Xfire. All 790GX has going for it is onboard video and 8x/8x crossfire, something that can be found on a slew of chipsets now.

Now if we are talking AM2 P2 its a different story, as that's considerably more cheaper than AM3/DDR3. But I dont think anybody is expecting AM3 to be leaps and bounds better than AM2.

 

[accord99]

As for i7, the perf and costs it has, means it not top for power/perf here at all. In gaming, theyre all equal, but the very thing i7 excels at, they give poor power useage % wise for perf. Its been said, overall 17% perf over 9550, and yet its 20% more power for P2 alone, not even counting the 9550s somewhat better perf

With full load power applications that can adequately use 8 threads of execution, the i7 920 might well be the best in performance/watt. Such as here:

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16044/7

And if youre really considering less than 4% in power usage a failure....hmmmm. Ill say it again, this is without HKMG.

It may not be a failure like Phenom I was, but it's not enough for AMD to be almost as fast and almost as low power as its competition that was released 9 months ago. Especially given the competitive situation of the last 2.5 years, AMD needs more to convince Intel owners to switch.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Perhaps you should refer to the statement above the power charts that says all the power figures are TOTAL SYSTEM USAGE, not CPU use, because it negates the comparison

Actually its both. Running the same apps, etc means as a whole platform, its comparable, which theyve done here. When they test price/perf/power, thats part of the equation, tho, also only part. Since its not just cpu exclusive, when they do come out, then you have to include pricing as well. Aye, and there is the rub

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

So, everyone keeps talking about how long ago (just like nVidia fans) Intel came out with their chips that AMD is just now able to compete with. Shouldnt their prices be lower? Or, are you happy that these "old" chips have been ripping people off all this time, and havnt dropped below the competitors release pricing?
I dont see people flocking to i7 ( again, similar to nVidias G200 series) as its priced too high, misses the main mark in the overall market, and yet, its a fine product, but Intel fans arent going to it like they did or have before. So, wheres this argument? Intel fans dont want the i7 solution at the current pricing, Intel isnt even trying to make it its main sales, so, since we all know Intels plans for what 5 i7 will hold in their sales/production, I guess were stuck with old (again also like nVidia) cpus, which is where AMD has aimed, and considering Intels pricing, has left lots of room for them

 

[spathotan]

The i7 920 is not overpriced, nowhere near. However the i7 940 is pathetic, I would buy stock in GM before I bought a i7 940 at $550. Considering i7 and C2 are on two different platforms/sockets, the price brackets are going to be different. Just like you cant compare desktop and mobile chip prices to performance.

Regardless, I wont be buying an i7 anytime soon. Its Q9550/9650 after price drops or AM3 P2 for me in 2009.

 

[turpit]

Actually its both. Running the same apps, etc means as a whole platform, its comparable, which theyve done here. When they test price/perf/power, thats part of the equation, tho, also only part. Since its not just cpu exclusive, when they do come out, then you have to include pricing as well. Aye, and there is the rub

No Jay, its not both. Your statement,

So, AMD comes within 7% of power usage at a higher clock, ruins i7s power numbers, is cooler as well, and ocees fine. All without HKMG. Not bad, not bad at all.

refers specifically to the CPUs, not the "platform", and it refers to power usage charts which the creator specifically stated are for TOTAL SYSTEM usage, not CPU usage.

Your conclusion that AMD "ruins i7 power numbers" as based on these tests is completely fallacious as this test does not provide numbers specific to any of the CPUs tested.


Nice try digging out of that one by seguing off to the platform angle. Not. Doesnt work since your comparison was of the CPUs. And before you try to argue that you never said CPUs, since none of the platform chipsets or ram are manufactured using HKMG, its pretty obvious what the point you were trying to make was.

None of which means PII uses more or less power than C2Q or i7. Only that this test cannot be used as proof of any such claim

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I agree, their lead in product is priced correctly. While 939 was priced similarly to skt 940 tho, so yes you can, as seen in the 920, and its not a EE product.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I read it wrong at first, until I saw your quote, but, again, overall, these will be compared as a complete system, including platform,perf,power and as said, pricing
In the article, under the CPU Load, thats what I took it for, thnx for that, Im not spinning, I thought this was a cpu only test , the second one

 

[roofus]

the i920 is a great deal if your building one from the ground up. when the AM3 hits the streets the RAM and mobo prices will be a moot point. they wont make special DDR3 for AMD on the cheap and any enthusiast board loaded down is pricey. then you will most likely be staring down the middle seeing which one does what you specifically need better which is how it should be. forget the brand loyalty. they wont pay your bills if you get laid off.

 

[turpit]

I read it wrong at first, until I saw your quote, but, again, overall, these will be compared as a complete system, including platform,perf,power and as said, pricing

And again, your original statment was trying to make a conclusive statement, incorrect at that, specific to the CPUs, not the platforrm.

 

[turpit]

And again, your original statment was trying to make a conclusive statement, incorrect at that, specific to the CPUs, not the platforrm.

well allow me to add my edit. Spinning is exactly what it looks like you were doing

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OK, and I said I read it wrong? So....

 

[turpit]

So Happy New Year