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You wouldn't buy a 720 BE on the chance that you might get a free core anyway. You'd buy one because it owns the entire Core 2 series by itself and has intel fanboys crying like babies over it.
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multithreaded apps the 3 core wins. singlethreaded apps the core 2 wins. get it straight - there is no 'owning' going on on either side.
 
You wouldn't buy a 720 BE on the chance that you might get a free core anyway. You'd buy one because it owns the entire Core 2 series by itself and has intel fanboys crying like babies over it.
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The 720 BE is a great chip, espically for the price. But I dunno about it owning the entire core 2 series. However I would buy a 720BE before I buy a E8xxx at this point in the game.
 


notice how there is a ~60 FPS difference between games that highly rely on cpu usage aka company of heroes. dual cores are not as dead as people think but you will not convince anyone on these forums of that - always more cores the better. i would choose my E8500 @ 3.8 or 4.5 with 4870x2 over a 3 core phenom with a 4870x2 anyday of the week for gaming.
 
You wouldn't buy a 720 BE on the chance that you might get a free core anyway. You'd buy one because it owns the entire Core 2 series by itself and has intel fanboys crying like babies over it.
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You're forgetting something important here.

The Core 2 series includes the Core 2 Quad, which includes the Q9000s that quite happily match any Phenom II currently available in any task (aside from high memory demand server/HPC stuff on multi socket setups).
 
I think intel has good performance but it's pretty expensive..
but also amd has good performance
just think about it..long times ago
it was 3 third party was fight intel,amd,cyrix..
in this days cyrix given up in desk cpu market..
don't u remember?
when intel was produce pentium4 which use 478 socket
at that time amd show more performance than intel..
like barton,sempron,athlon64 that use socket 462,754,939
this post is not 4 discuss which one is better..

intel has good performance if u have a lot of money u can buy intel..
but if u don't have enough money to buy it..
u could buy amd processor..

coz it has good performance also lower price compare with intel..

but that's another story..
 
Can I just ask a serious question of you all? Seriously?

Do you all care what result I get from this experiment? AMD or Intel users alike?

I mean, I don't want to make anyone feel like I'm biased one way or another. Truth be known if the AM3 PhenomII-whatever/8xx doesn't match/meet the Intel i7/x58 platform...I, when I go to build another machine will go Intel. I just usually build AMD because... it is cheaper. That allows me to put bigger/faster video cards and more/faster RAM in my box.

I really want your input on this...all of you...no matter what your preference. I am willing to listen...run what tools I can download freely (I'm not going to pay for the full 3DMark06...unless I get it free with a video card or whatever else it/a trial version comes free with).

But, I will do what I can to give you all results that you think will show you what you want to know.

Anyways. I will be watching in the next day or two to see what you all say.

Thanks.
 
Who would buy a 940 when they could buy a 720?
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Jimbo does have a point.

940 is an AM2+ processor, 720 is a AM3 processor.

The testing ground is unproven though.

Does a 3.0 AM2+ quad-core processor with DDR2-1066 memory and all its facilities...outclass the 2.8 triple-core AM3 with DDR3-1333 memory with all its facilities?

That is not a test I have seen yet.

Has anyone seen that on any website?

I would be interested in seeing that comparison.
 
It's so much more difficult now than it used to be. Up till not long ago, a faster cpu and faster gpu = faster framerate. Now it seems having a faster cpu doesn't matter and intel fanboys everywhere have gone back to playing on 14" crt's to find the sweet spot for their i7's.

You will always be better off spending less on a cpu and more on a graphics card. All these 'enthusiasts' with i7's and gtx295's will have a slower system than even a bottom end Phenom II and the next fastest graphic card when it is released in a couple of months time.
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I understand that.

But...

if you take a "latest technology" of equalling cores from both vendors...both quad...both DDR3...use the same video card setup...same hard drives...same amount of ram...even the same case, case fans, and power outlet.

You get the result that the best platform from both CPU vendors provides.

That's why...to be honest...I am waiting for the 945/925/9x5 processors to come out on AM3 from AMD to come out.

As an AMD user, yes...the i7/x58 Extreme processor is impressive. But, I want to see AMD's next generation processor and motherboard platform...before I make a choice on my next gaming machine.

Whenever I invest $1500-2500 on something to play games on...I want to invest wisely...no matter who makes the chip...the motherboard...the chipset...the memory...etc.

That's one reason I come to Toms almost every day. They give me info that lets me build knowledge...and based on my opinion, needs, and budget...

Decide what is right for me.

And I assume...that is what we are all doing here....


right????
 
heka 710,720be..deneb 810 designed by am3..

it means u can use it on am3 platform..

but also u can use it with am2+ mobo..

coz it has 2 memory controller ddr2,ddr3

so if u use it with am2+ mobo..ddr2 memcon will be working..

if u use it with am3 mobo..ddr3 memcon will be working with it..

i'll try to find that info..if i know that i'll let u know..
 


If I remmeber right...from the TG tests...the i7s didn't run faster with the nVidia cards... I might be remembering wrong.

That could just be a driver issue or something, but is a point of argument...and, a matter of video card preference.

At least, that's what I think you are stating...right, Badtrip? Or did you mean something otherwise?
 
I dont recall me saying anything about brands of cards. I was saying as the cards get faster the i7s performance will also, you do see how well they scale with multi-gpu setups.
 


I just thought somewhere that when TG showed 1x and 2x nVidia with i7 vs PhenomII... that PhenomII still benched better.

Like I said. That could be a driver issue or something. Not particularly implicative how either CPU does with a 1x or 2x ATI card.

Hence why I come to Tom's. They show what's there and what can be done.

Otherwise, I'd be stuck living in a refrigerator box with an extension cord spending all my money on PC hardware :lol:
 
Where? I keep hearing about it but I can't seem to find a lot of evidence.

Assuming it's true enough, it still doesn't change anything I'm saying - the higher graphics card you have, the further away from the mainstream you go. Less that 0.1% of pc owners have a 4870x2 or gtx295.
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I'll be running the x3 720 BE benches with 2x 9800GTX+s...so...there is a grain of salt with what i'll show.

I don't have any 4870s or 4870x2s laying around. Sorry.
 


http://www.parkoz.com/zboard/view.php?id=overclock_amd&page=1&sn1=&divpage=5&sn=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=26854

that's the test..

with ddr2 memory it works ddr2-1200 performance..

with ddr3 memory it wroks ddr3-1600 performance..

it tested use GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4 and phenom810..with ddr2,ddr3 ram..

it seems to be works well..

😉
 
300 fps costing £175 or 280 fps costing £125. Jeeeez that's a tough one.
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Why not get a Pentium Dual Core, OC it to 3.2GHz and save another $50+ bucks while you are at it while only getting 200FPS? Thats more logical than either E8400 or 7200 X3 until games warrant the use of more than 2 threads.

And don't get me wrong. I am afdvent on multithreaded gaming. Hell I did a thread here comparing Crysis, Far Cry 2, Lost Planet and L4D. It was showing how that from LP, the first quad core supporting game, all the way to now L4D multithreading has improved gaming. L4D itself will use up to 80% in heavy hording on my Q6600 thats at 3GHz, and I mean on all 4 cores. Crysis would do about 20-30% and the FPS gain was minimal. But in L4D it actually gives a nice FPS boost. I might test GTA IV now too since I have it and its supposed to utilize multicore CPUs.

Anywho, until every last game uses the power of a CPU anything above a dual core is only best suited for those who multitask a lot, like me, or encode video/audio, me again.
 


you must have benn waiting... what?....maybe 3-5 years for you to say that about AMD again LOL. grow up kid 😴
 


What the hell are you talking about, and who are you? Your fanboi insinuation fails, because A. I own an Intel chip, and B. ive only ever owned 1 AMD chip and it was for a low use microatx build.
 
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