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We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

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definately some odd numbers considering llano chips are nearly equal to the I7 970 in the per ghz slot.

Biggest problem is they based thier calculations on the turbo speeds, and obviously by the 2920XM was not running at 3.5 ghz for whatever test that was. Thats why when you test for actual speed, you disable those settings so you get an accurate reading instead of a reading bouncing from stock to turbo and anywhere in between.

Conclusion : ??? who knows, looks like an improvement over BD, but by what margin is unkown due to faulty testing method.
 
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Cazalan wrote :
Trinity/Piledriver Performance..."
http://citavia.blog.de/2012/04/08/trinity-piledriver-performance-13460109/



Ruggedizing the AMD Embedded G-Series APUs for Demanding Industrial Applications..."
http://blogs.amd.com/work/2012/04/10/ruggedizing-the-amd-embedded-g-series-apus-for-demanding-industrial-applications/

Rob Farber presents in the OpenCL Programming Webinar Series..."
http://blogs.amd.com/developer/2012/04/09/rob-farber-presents-in-the-opencl%E2%84%A2-programming-webinar-series/
 
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New AMD FX processors sighted in MSI support list..."
L_FX-4130_and_FX-6130_specs_in_CPU_support_list.jpg

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012041001_New_AMD_FX_processors_sighted_in_MSI_support_list.html
 
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Here's the problem: China would retaliate, and as both countries are basically economic slaves to eachother, it would come down to who blinks first.

Problem is, the Chinese leadership doesn't have democratic elections, so the US is more or less guaranteed to lose any long-term trade war due to the public wanting its stuff for cheaper. Hence why no one really wants to rock the China boat, as its understood the US would probably lose any major trade war with China. The irony being is corporations are pulling OUT of China because rising wages [due to a growing middle class] makes places like India more attractive.
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Well, the taxes our (the U.S.A.) government could apply would be a temporary emergency measure while the natural process wherein wages rise in China as the society there becomes more wealthy is the long term and natural balancing effect that occurs unless there is a tyranny of government. So, this is expected and good. The flow of wealth into China is well deserved. However, in the U.S.A. what we have is essentially a tyranny of corporations and I believe this is precisely what our government is for. If only our government were really for the people, by the people. Thus, the taxes.

As long as China does not acquire Palladin, I think we here in America have a fighting chance. But primarily we must become more productive. And I mean making stuff. Over here, in America. Like Piledriver (see the angle now?)
 
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Here's the problem: China would retaliate, and as both countries are basically economic slaves to eachother, it would come down to who blinks first.

Problem is, the Chinese leadership doesn't have democratic elections, so the US is more or less guaranteed to lose any long-term trade war due to the public wanting its stuff for cheaper. Hence why no one really wants to rock the China boat, as its understood the US would probably lose any major trade war with China. The irony being is corporations are pulling OUT of China because rising wages [due to a growing middle class] makes places like India more attractive.
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Yet if we don't do anything then they'll break our economy which will eventually reduce our military might and force a shrinking of our power projection. That shrinking is the true aim of the current Chinese strategy as their aiming to fill the power vacuum created.

We're talking about this in the abstract but over here that is a very serious topic of discussion. So serious that it's gotten age old natural enemies to start talking about an military alliance for mutual defense against Chinese aggression (South Korea and Japan).

And we're already in a trade war, the Chinese are targeting our economy and national support systems rather then our military capability. Eventually we must protect ourselves or face losing our own capability. We've been lured into a false sense of security by allowing so much of our economy to shift to a location under control of entities that wish our demise.
 
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agreed...
MicroCenter's walk-in deal is back on and the i5-2500K is on sale for $179US,
so the FX-81xx needs to come down in price.
I think it will soon but still I'm a Deneb man until Piledriver.

to bad your not in the states, take advantages of some of these prices and sales.
(if you don't have any comparison's)
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PC parts are ridiculously expensive if their not made locally (Samsung / LG / Hynix). Everything here is becoming expensive, even cell phones.

$180 USD for a I5-2500K, damn I would take that, only need to find a decent MB to put it in. Kinda piss's me off, all their really nice MB's are for LGA2011 which I want no part in. 16x PCIe is not enough for my two 580's and not enough for whatever I'll end up buying next year. Looks like I'm hanging onto my current build until IB / PD comes out, hopefully Intel will have a 2x16x platform I could use.
 
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Yet if we don't do anything then they'll break our economy which will eventually reduce our military might and force a shrinking of our power projection. That shrinking is the true aim of the current Chinese strategy as their aiming to fill the power vacuum created.

We're talking about this in the abstract but over here that is a very serious topic of discussion. So serious that it's gotten age old natural enemies to start talking about an military alliance for mutual defense against Chinese aggression (South Korea and Japan).

And we're already in a trade war, the Chinese are targeting our economy and national support systems rather then our military capability. Eventually we must protect ourselves or face losing our own capability. We've been lured into a false sense of security by allowing so much of our economy to shift to a location under control of entities that wish our demise.
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China would collapse within a year if the US economy ever had a serious long term slowdown. They are dependent on skyrocketing economic growth offsetting ever increasing government spending. China slows even a little, and it could very easily implode. Of course, by extension, this would bring the US down with it due to the massive supply/demand disruptions that would result. Economic co-dependence will be the primary reason we won't see major wars anymore, as war will simply be to unprofitable for those involved.
 
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no way id pick a 4170 over the 8xxx other than stock only usage for older games. Its way too easy to just overclock the cpu.

4xxx are weak sticks, hence why they are priced at $100. I can gurantee my $180 8120 will blow any 4xxx out of the water. Makes the 4170 look even worse at $130+
 
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no way id pick a 4170 over the 8xxx other than stock only usage for older games. Its way too easy to just overclock the cpu.

4xxx are weak sticks, hence why they are priced at $100. I can gurantee my $180 8120 will blow any 4xxx out of the water. Makes the 4170 look even worse at $130+
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Those prices aren't even close though. Now the 6100 might make sense vs the 4170. Same price, 2 extra cores.
 
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Those prices aren't even close though. Now the 6100 might make sense vs the 4170. Same price, 2 extra cores.
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What should of happen was the 4170 should of replaced the 4100 price, And the 4100 should of been the new 99.99$ Quad core from Amd replacing the Athlon II x4. The 6200 should only cost 139.99$ Based on overall performance which should make the 6100 price drop to 129.99$. It seems like after Amd's old ceo left and the new one took over he is exactly the type of person i did not want in their and that's a clear businessmen. I really did like Dirk Meyer it seemed like while he was running Amd kept making great Price/Performance products this new guy just wants to over charge everything or at least he is not stopping it.

 
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What should of happen was the 4170 should of replaced the 4100 price, And the 4100 should of been the new 99.99$ Quad core from Amd replacing the Athlon II x4. The 6200 should only cost 139.99$ Based on overall performance which should make the 6100 price drop to 129.99$. It seems like after Amd's old ceo left and the new one took over he is exactly the type of person i did not want in their and that's a clear businessmen. I really did like Dirk Meyer it seemed like while he was running Amd kept making great Price/Performance products this new guy just wants to over charge everything or at least he is not stopping it.
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The FX-4100 can be found for $99.99.

http://www.buy.com/prod/amd-fx-4100-3-60-ghz-processor-socket-am3-quad-core-4-core/225016975.html
 
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China would collapse within a year if the US economy ever had a serious long term slowdown. They are dependent on skyrocketing economic growth offsetting ever increasing government spending. China slows even a little, and it could very easily implode. Of course, by extension, this would bring the US down with it due to the massive supply/demand disruptions that would result. Economic co-dependence will be the primary reason we won't see major wars anymore, as war will simply be to unprofitable for those involved.
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China's an authoritarian non-elected government in a nation full of nationalists. They would be hurt but they wouldn't flinch if the US economy explodes. That was the whole point of them developing their domestic markets while shielding them from foreign competition, they've been playing the long game for decades now.
 
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Nearing the End of the Road for Llano..."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5732/toshiba-satellite-p755d-nearing-the-end-of-the-road-for-llano

Crysis 3 Accidentally Revealed on Origin..."
http://pcmedia.gamespy.com/pc/image/article/122/1222735/Untitled_1334152994.jpg
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Laughing really hard at their comparisons. Trying to sell you on SB on the first page.

Also the 3500M and it's siblings (3520M) are the older Llano chips using DDR3-1333. If your going the A8 route the only one that makes sense is the 3530MX or 3550MX, otherwise go with the A6 / A4 for extremely lightweight use.
 
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while they are listed in the same tier they have the 2600k higher than a 2500k
using price vs performance in gaming as a judgement as the article states
then why would you have a 2600k above a 2500k
the extra HT "cores" wouldnt help in 95 percent of games and as a pure gamer
then the 2500k is much better "bang for buck" than a 2600k
 
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Laughing really hard at their comparisons. Trying to sell you on SB on the first page.

Also the 3500M and it's siblings (3520M) are the older Llano chips using DDR3-1333. If your going the A8 route the only one that makes sense is the 3530MX or 3550MX, otherwise go with the A6 / A4 for extremely lightweight use.
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Even though i'm not Pro amd anymore that article is BS!!! Like 70% of their crap(wonder why i'm a toms guy), The A8 is priced at the I3 that is all that should be tested and i got my 3520M A8 laptop with 6GB of ddr 3 1333 ram and a 640GB hard drive at Walmart for only 548.99$. At that price their was only I3's and Crappy Pentiums with Intel graphics. Sorry But Intel does not become a option to me until 650$+ on laptops(and that's only online not in stores which is where 90% of people buy laptops) which i wont spend when i can get a laptop for 550$ that can game fine with reasonable settings that still look better then the PS3/360 graphics, And god forbid the wii.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Toshiba-Aluminum-Blue-15.6-L755D-S5130-Laptop-PC-with-AMD-Quad-Core-A8-3520M-Accelerated-Processor-and-Windows-7-Home-Premium/19519176


And i love the monitor and i find this to beat Acer in every way on build quality oh yeah and it comes with 2 speakers that are fine. Unlike acer's crappy speakers(or only 1 speaker WTF?) and i have a new acer laptop as well(my old E-350 which was fine for basic things but nothing to special better then a atom that's for sure) i gave to my friend and man its bad on sound.

The problem is when people want to game higher then 1366 X 768....The way i think is i have a X6 and a 6950 so i will only use my laptop when i'm away from home which means i just want something that can game some games on OK settings. I do how ever understand why some people would want higher end laptops. But for day to day use this laptop is way fast enough and its cheap.
 
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Even though i'm not Pro amd anymore that article is BS!!! Like 70% of their crap(wonder why i'm a toms guy), The A8 is priced at the I3 that is all that should be tested and i got my 3520M A8 laptop with 6GB of ddr 3 1333 ram and a 640GB hard drive at Walmart for only 548.99$.
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Llano is nearing the end, as Trinity will be out soon.

It should have been made more clear those laptops were approaching 2x the cost. Granted he's just throwing in results for new laptops he's been sent. Which all had individual reviews and prices in their own reviews.

He did slam HD3000 pretty hard.

I found the article useful but it wasn't anywhere near an apples to apples comparison. Prices were all over the place as well as performance. So you can't really look at is as an AMD vs Intel article.
 
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