China's an authoritarian non-elected government in a nation full of nationalists. They would be hurt but they wouldn't flinch if the US economy explodes. That was the whole point of them developing their domestic markets while shielding them from foreign competition, they've been playing the long game for decades now.
While it is true, look at their CPU they have and most products there are rip offs per say, Chins still relys on outside business a good amount. I can't find the article but I read one where since the downturn of the world economy, US mainly, Chins has lost thousands upon thousands of jobs for their people due to factories closing.
Overall if the US economy collapsed, the rest of the world would slowly but it would foolow. Look at the EU. The smaller countries, like Grece, with no major source of income are on the brink of economic collapse. Its always a tumbling effect with that hence why we always try to avoid another Great Depression.
Llano is nearing the end, as Trinity will be out soon.
It should have been made more clear those laptops were approaching 2x the cost. Granted he's just throwing in results for new laptops he's been sent. Which all had individual reviews and prices in their own reviews.
He did slam HD3000 pretty hard.
I found the article useful but it wasn't anywhere near an apples to apples comparison. Prices were all over the place as well as performance. So you can't really look at is as an AMD vs Intel article.
I would hope that HD3K is slammed for the most part. While I respect HD3000 for what it did, mainly for the fact that it really shut up a lot of anti-Intel IGP people, it still is not worthy for gaming nor do I find any IGP worthy of gaming and probably wont with Trinity or IB HD4000.
Then again I am a very hardcore PC gamer, don't own a consoler nor do I play them much (except the Soul Calibur series at work which I still love), so it will take a lot for a IGP to be game worthy to me. Hell just preordered Max Payne 3, great series I hope it pans out well but I do doubt that Trinity or IB will be able to play the game the way it was intended to be played.
It will soon be 4 years of US economic slowdown.
How long do you need?
Although it is a slow growth, I don't think its as bad as the media always makes everything to be. Overall I still see tons of new cars (I just got one but I don't always) and we still sell plenty of parts and new PCs at work. Last month we had a hail of Intel Basics sold for some reason. I think 18. Sure its not as massive as Dell but its well beyond our normal amount of sales for a single build type.
And we just got a order approved for 4 LGA 2011 servers. Cost was $41K. The RAM was like $1700 alone. Luckily I got the buyer to go with Corsair 800Ds instead of the Antec P193s. Still I think the economy is recovering, just slowly.
"AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture"
I want to use the "expert conjecture" card here, please. It all boils down to PDs performance at the end.
Cheers! xD!
It does. But I still think the major benefactor to any performance gains will be clock speed, not IPC. If so it wont be enough to make it a major threat to Intel and as we can see, Intel is not afraid to slow down a little which in the end sucks for us since we wont see any major improvements. Clock speed will still have a wall that IPC does not have, yet.
Still we shall see in the coming months. Hopefully Trinity is decent and noting like BD, all hype and no fluff.
rofl, Intel not fully supporting their own competition ... a conspiracy ... come on. Its business, plain and simple, but some people refuse to believe that Intel is a business.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c
As some people refuse to believe that AMD is a business. Anyone who thinks a business is a caring company is blinder than a blind man. No company cares about people and in the end will do anything to gain the upper hand. And I mean anything, AMD would too as would any company.
Now they are not monsters by any means, thats reserved for the savage leaders of the world we have seen. But they are by no means angels and to think they are is foolish.
I honestly don't care in the end as I prefer performance over anything. Hopefully AMD will be able to fight back performance wise instead of price wise soon. It would be good to see something more like ATI vs nVidia in the CPU market.
I'm also happy with my PhII, I totally am.
Thing is, I'm not happy with a sidegrade and BD is a sidegrade at the moment in all counts: power, speed (single core at least, when OCed) and core count (I DO NOT like CMT, just like I don't dig SMT). My only ray of light is on Linux and GCC, hahaha.
Anyway, I do have more faith in PD, just because some time has passed and, at least, the process should be way better than BD's 32nm, just like from C1/2 and C3 for Phenom II. Plus they should add the clock mesh thingy.
Cheers!
And you should be. Phenom II was not a bad CPU overall. It wasn't the best overall but it wasn't like Prescott Pentium 4s or Phenom I at least. Strangley it shows as well, like K8, that AMD has the capability to produce good CPUs. But for some reason they either lack the will or just allow marketing to overhype a product until it cannot deliver on its promise.
They were trying to manipulate their readers perspectives. They didn't do an apples to apples price comparison because they wanted to send a message of "Llano sucks, buy a Sandy Bridge". Every chart was displayed to give the impression that Llano's performance sucked vs anything with an Intel sticker on it and that "Games" performance didn't matter because if you wanted to game you'd have a dGPU instead.
Articles like those are the reason I stopped taking anything they said seriously. Toms has been neutral and a sold source of information since I started browsing it in late 2000 / early 2001. Back when I had a K6-2 and Toms was explaining the uArch of the Pentium III / Ahtlon. (Wasn't till much later that I got involved in the forums)
The little APU's are amazing for mobile usage. Not so hot desktop wise though. Wish they would of made a FS1 Mini-ITX board available.
And a real gamer overall will have a dGPU. Everyone at my work who has recently upgraded or has a gaming machine has a SB CPU and a AMD GPU. None have Llano for gaming.
Sure if you don't plan on heavy gaming overall Llano will be fine. But to say you can truly game on llano is a lie just as you cannot truly game on HD3000.
Still I am tempted in the first time for 10+ years to buy a nVidia GPU even though I have always prefered ATI/AMD for CCC and better overall value but the GTX680 is a better price/performance piece.
And most gamers will feel the same way as they want the best dGPU for the best gaming experience.
I also doubt Trinity will be able to play games like Skyrim on Eyefinity with the HD Texture pack on settings that don't make it bland and lack detail nor will HD4000.
Not to excuse their actions in the article, by all means its stupid, but there is truth in it as pretty much every gaming system we have sold at work has a dGPU. In fact the only Llano based system we have sold went to a business. And that was a long time ago. They don't sell for some reason and trust me, we have no real marketing for that. We sell the people what they are looking for, not what we want to sell or else we would only sell the highest margin products.
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