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We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...
 
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Or simply wait 2 years after the console refresh and buy something that crushes the console in terms of specs.

I hope the next gen consoles are x86.

:)
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So that's perfect timing then. New consoles are released in ~2013, raising the bar for gaming graphics. And in 2014 PC jumps to entirely new platforms+sockets! I can only imagine what Intel will be working with by then... some console-devastating beast probably.
 
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I only buy bargain bin games. Nothing over $20 is the regular rule (except gifts). I aim for $10 or under.

Then I can buy bargain bin computer hardware. Ends up being as fast as top end hardware back then... and considerably more power efficient.

I mean like I *just* got Crysis 1 (on sale for $1 cause of closing down sale). From now on, I'm thinking of buying ex-demo hardware from my computer store to further lower my gaming costs.

😀
 
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It looks like the next Playstation might be based on the Trinity APU: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sony-playstation-ps4-amd-fusion,15944.html
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Games are heavy on FPU. Would a dual module Trinity really be up for the task of next-gen consoles? I wonder if it will be modified at all.
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I also like to buy cheap games... but the game makers deserve at least some decent money for the time and effort put into the game. $60 seems like too much to me while $30-40 is a decent starting price.

These games 'supposedly' take 10's of millions of dollars to make after all. If nobody paid the price, we wouldn't have games.
I seem to spend so much time sleeping in a shack and my AK-47 is about as reliable as an Ivy-Bridge overclock.
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Is that code for... you know what never mind.
 
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:ouch:

robbed the shop 😗 and they are closing it now because of this incident


😱
 
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I do not like that comment, i am fair with either side of the spectrum in regards to intel and AMD..
For a mod to say that.... rather says something.

Still, without these people, life would not be interesting :)
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Look bud you obviously have not played FarCry2.

1. The weapons degrade over time amd the AK is one of the primary weapons for this game ... not pretty but effective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Cry_2

A major gameplay feature is that these weapons degrade over time. Weapons become dirty and prone to jamming and will eventually catastrophically fail, break in half, and become completely unusable. The player can purchase weapons at various gun shops, which provide an unlimited supply of the weapon in serviceable condition, along with manuals to upgrade weapon's reliability and accuracy. More weapons can be unlocked at the gun shop by completing missions involving the destruction of competitors' arms convoys for the gun shop owner. Weapons can also be picked up off of fallen enemies, but they are always in their most degraded condition and can only be used for a short period of time before jamming and ultimately breaking down completely.

http://au.gamespot.com/far-cry-2/reviews/far-cry-2-review-6199677/

2. When you come across a shack (designated "Safe House" ) you can sleep in the cot in the shack and procudre supplies.

I can say what I want about whatever I want ... within the ToU.

Please show me in the ToU where it says that I can't criticise a semiconductor manufacturer's specific product?
I personally don't think Ivy Bridge is a great overclocker and the body of evidence tends to support that, so I am not saying something that is incorrect.

Since it was clearly designed to compete on the mobile field against Trinity the thermals have been largely ignored as it is designed primarily to operate at a lower voltage, and consume much less power.

This is also rather fortuious as it means it fills a niche and yet does not interfere or undermine current SB and SBE offerings while they have not yet been EoL'd.


If you chose to interpret my sentence in an entirely different way, then I apologise your your inability to understand ... I should have used simple active sentences, and broken the topic down into three discrete components.
 
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@palladin: mostly agree. however, not every one plays multiplayer fps that heavily taxes cpu cores. afaik most people play mmorpg games which have modest system requirements. will a core i3 suffice in those situations, provided that the users might be expecting 60fps~?
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That depends on the game. WoW and most older MMO's would do just find on an i3. I can't speak about newer ones thought I don't expect the trend to change. MMO's aren't nearly as fast paced nor as interactive (environment wise) as large scale FPS games. Having said that, DDO has a pretty steep requirement to max it out, though it's more then playable on a low end setup.

Since someone wanted to flamebait with BF3 numbers (SPTLD) I used that as a way to demonstrate the higher requirements for competitive gaming and how what works for one scenario (playing campaign) doesn't work for all scenarios (playing on a map with 63 other players).

Also of note, we've finally broken out of the PS3/360 days of gaming limbo when everything was designed to run on 2006 era hardware. There will be newer consoles out soon which will raise the bar again for gaming. Games produced this year and in the next three years will have higher requirements then the console trash we've had to deal with the past 6 years. This is why I suggest people avoid the i3 CPU (fx4/6 series included) and go for something with at least four full cores. They will be able to handle the biggest things now and the games that will be released in the next few years.
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Well, I'm playing an MMORPG called TERA and it uses UE3. It's pretty, very very pretty (maybe not as AION, but really pretty), and it actually taxes the 4 cores of the Phenom II. Usage us typically around 70% across the cores when doing stuff around and 2 cores taxed and the others in like 20% when in a city (basically, not doing anything).

And i3 in TERA online would be put to shame I'm sure, since it can effectively tax 4 cores. A friend of mine runs it with his i7 2600K and it taxes all the 8 cores (maybe it uses HT actively).

Cheers!
 
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I pay when I can afford it.

Game publishers get more money out of me than a pirate so that's definitely a plus 😀.
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I pretty much do the same, but when I see a game that just looks too good, ill buy it, but still try to find the best discount. Picked up BF3 off Ebay for $35, most of the time I keep an eye on steam discount section. When its 75% off, I usually buy something for $5 and try it out (Total war : Showgun 2, gameplay is not bad but graphics are meh).
 
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Or simply wait 2 years after the console refresh and buy something that crushes the console in terms of specs.

I hope the next gen consoles are x86.

:)
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I don't. While it makes sense for MS to do this [integration between PC, new Xbox, and Windows Phone], for Sony, it would be a massive mistake. X86 is simply to inefficient to use for consoles, and lets face it, developers are pretty much used to PPC based chips at this point.
 
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I don't. While it makes sense for MS to do this [integration between PC, new Xbox, and Windows Phone], for Sony, it would be a massive mistake. X86 is simply to inefficient to use for consoles, and lets face it, developers are pretty much used to PPC based chips at this point.
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Is this like how x86 is too inefficient to use in smartphones?
 
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@palladin: Since someone wanted to flamebait with BF3 numbers
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I wasn't trying to flamebait (well... not too seriously) I was referring to the BD marketing deck that I believe included slides comparing it to i7-990X and pointed out what a value proposition it was to go with BD instead. I think they also made a big deal out of the BF3 benches before release even though the SP campaign makes it a moot point. See Tom's Review
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Is this like how x86 is too inefficient to use in smartphones?
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I think x86 will have its benefits when they port the game to the PC but i really don't understand why their using it for the console when the wii u and the next xbox are using IBM, From a console perspective it doesn't make much since when they make most games for the 360 and port the game to the PS3. its going to be harder to do that and in return Sony might have a issue with 3rd party support not to mention it looks like they want developers to do the HSA thing. On top of that this might make it easier to hack the console.

I have Far cry 2... i don't like it myself 😉
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I tried the game as well even though the graphics are fine the game play is not.

 
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I wasn't trying to flamebait (well... not too seriously) I was referring to the BD marketing deck that I believe included slides comparing it to i7-990X and pointed out what a value proposition it was to go with BD instead. I think they also made a big deal out of the BF3 benches before release even though the SP campaign makes it a moot point. See Tom's Review
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One of the worst marketing slides ever i agree, this alone is enough to not get the Bulldozer
 
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I pay when I can afford it.

Game publishers get more money out of me than a pirate so that's definitely a plus 😀.
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Portal + Portal2 for $8 was by far the best purchase for a game I ever made. (Steam) I am up to the finale for Portal2 now. I have a house full of girls. We don't bring in any of the heavy "war" "language" FPS games into the house.
 
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Look bud you obviously have not played FarCry2.

1. The weapons degrade over time amd the AK is one of the primary weapons for this game ... not pretty but effective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Cry_2

A major gameplay feature is that these weapons degrade over time. Weapons become dirty and prone to jamming and will eventually catastrophically fail, break in half, and become completely unusable. The player can purchase weapons at various gun shops, which provide an unlimited supply of the weapon in serviceable condition, along with manuals to upgrade weapon's reliability and accuracy. More weapons can be unlocked at the gun shop by completing missions involving the destruction of competitors' arms convoys for the gun shop owner. Weapons can also be picked up off of fallen enemies, but they are always in their most degraded condition and can only be used for a short period of time before jamming and ultimately breaking down completely.

http://au.gamespot.com/far-cry-2/reviews/far-cry-2-review-6199677/

2. When you come across a shack (designated "Safe House" ) you can sleep in the cot in the shack and procudre supplies.

I can say what I want about whatever I want ... within the ToU.

Please show me in the ToU where it says that I can't criticise a semiconductor manufacturer's specific product?
I personally don't think Ivy Bridge is a great overclocker and the body of evidence tends to support that, so I am not saying something that is incorrect.

Since it was clearly designed to compete on the mobile field against Trinity the thermals have been largely ignored as it is designed primarily to operate at a lower voltage, and consume much less power.

This is also rather fortuious as it means it fills a niche and yet does not interfere or undermine current SB and SBE offerings while they have not yet been EoL'd.


If you chose to interpret my sentence in an entirely different way, then I apologise your your inability to understand ... I should have used simple active sentences, and broken the topic down into three discrete components.
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Sir, he's a troll. But you knew that.
 
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“The A6-4455M is a 17W dual-core with HD 7500G graphics. It is clocked at 2.1/2.6GHz, features 2MB of L2 cache and 256 Radeon cores running at up to 424MHz. The 25W A10-4655M is a quad-core with HD 7620G graphics. It is clocked at 2.0GHz, but with a little turbo it can hit 2.8GHz. It packs 4MB of cache and 384 Radeon cores running at 497MHz.

Moving to 35W envelope parts, AMD starts off with the A6-4400M. It features HD 7520G graphics, two Piledriver cores clocked at 2.7GHz/3.2GHz, 1MB L2 and 192 Radeon cores running at 686MHz. The A8-4500M is a quad-core clocked at 1.9GHz/2.8GHz and it boasts 4MB of L2 and HD 7640G graphics, with 256 cores clocked at up to 655MHz.

The A10-4800M is the fastest part, at least for now. This quad-core is clocked at 2.3GHz/3.2GHz, it packs HD 7660G graphics with 384 shaders clocked at 686MHz.”


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http://www.1clickarticles.com/2012/06/12/amd-trinity-laptop-processors-launched-reviewed/


"In May AMD unveiled first Accelerated Processing Units (APU), based on "Trinity" core. The launch event didn't include any desktop Trinity chips, and currently we don't have any reliable information on desktop processor timeline. Last month's reports placed the desktop "Trinity" launch in August, and more recent rumors suggest that the APUs may be pushed back to September or October. Unlike the launch date, specifications of forthcoming desktop processors were well-known since February, and earlier last week they were published by AMD"

Model Cores Frequency Turbo
Frequency L2 cache Graphics Shader
units GPU
frequency TDP
A8-5500 4 3.2 GHz 3.7 GHz 4 MB HD 7560D 256 760 MHz 65 Watt
A8-5600K 4 3.6 GHz 3.9 GHz 4 MB HD 7560D 256 760 MHz 100 Watt
A10-5700 4 3.4 GHz 4 GHz 4 MB HD 7660D 384 760 MHz 65 Watt
A10-5800K 4 3.8 GHz 4.2 GHz 4 MB HD 7660D 384 800 MHz 100 Watt


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http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012061101_AMD_reveals_details_of_desktop_Trinity_APUs.html


"Based on public Brazos 2.0 information, E1- and E2-Series processors are not much different from previous E-Series APUs from Brazos platform. The chips still use Zacate core, and come with 2 CPU cores, each with its own 512 KB L2 cache. Like E-Series parts, the E1/E2-Series support SIMD instructions up to SSE3. The only change on the CPU part of the chip is slightly higher core frequency. The E1-1200 is clocked at 1.4 GHz as opposed to 1.3 GHz on AMD E-300, and the E2-1800 with 1.7 GHz frequency is 50 MHz faster than the E-450. Integrated Graphics Processing Unit on E1/E2-Series was upgraded to HD 7000 series: HD 7310 on E1-1200 and HD 7340 on E2-1800. The enhanced GPU boasts higher graphics frequency, although it's not obvious whether it has any other performance improvements besides higher frequency or not. In addition to CPU / GPU speed upgrades, AMD E2-1800 also supports two new video technologies. Steady Video Technology eliminates video camera shaking in recorded videos. This feature will be supported via plug-ins by all major web browsers and by VLC player. AMD Quick Stream technology improves video stream buffering, which should make playing streaming videos smoother. Both E1-1200 and E2-1800 APUs are produced in FT1 BGA package, and have 18 Watt TDP. Detailed specifications of released E1-1200 and E2-1800 products are provided further below.

Brazos 2.0 platform uses new "Hudson-3L" Fusion Controller Hub (FCH), that has several noteworthy features. The FCH now supports USB 3.0 and SATA 6GB/s interfaces, and can work directly with SD cards. The controller also has lower power consumption in idle mode, which explains longer resting battery life of the platform. "

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http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012060601_AMD_Brazos_2_0_platform_is_announced.html




"AMD today introduced new server microprocessors from Opteron 4200 and 6200 series. The processors feature slightly improved performance over existing Opteron 4200 and 6200 products, while keeping maximum power dissipation on the same level with older chips. Overall, there are 5 new models: 6278 and 6284 SE from 6200 series, along with 4230 HE, 4240 and 4276 HE from 4200 series. The CPUs are priced from $316 to $1265, and they will be available in two newly released HP ProLiant Gen8 servers: DL385p 2U rack server and BL465c server blade. Additionally, the processors will be shipped in Hewlett Packard G7 and Dell servers later this year.

Opteron 4200 processors integrate up to 8 cores, coupled with 8 MB of L3 cache. Six-core 4240 and 4230 HE microprocessors cost $316 and $377 in 1K quantities. Eight-core 4276 HE is priced at $455. Higher price of "HE" chips can be explained by their lower power consumption, which is only 65 Watt. The 4240 has 95 Watt TDP.

Opteron 6200 CPUs double the maximum number of cores and the size of L3 cache, compared to 4200 series. Due to this, they are much more expensive than their 4200 series siblings. Both new 6200 processors have the maximum number of cores, 16. AMD 6278 is a 2.4 GHz chip with 115 Watt and $989 official price. Opteron 6284 SE is 300 MHz faster, which is reflected in its higher $1265 official price:

Model Cores Frequency Turbo Frequency L3 cache Socket Type TDP Price
Opteron 4230 HE 6 2.9 GHz 3.7 GHz 8 MB C32 65 Watt $377
Opteron 4240 6 3.4 GHz 3.8 GHz 8 MB C32 95 Watt $316
Opteron 4276 HE 8 2.6 GHz 3.6 GHz 8 MB C32 65 Watt $455
Opteron 6278 16 2.4 GHz 3.3 GHz 16 MB G34 115 Watt $989
Opteron 6284 SE 16 2.7 GHz 3.4 GHz 16 MB G34 140 Watt $1265"

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http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012060401_AMD_refreshes_Opteron_4200_and_6200_lineups.html


"As it appears from AMD's documents revealed earlier this year, starting from Piledriver micro-architecture and going forward, AMD's Fusion accelerated processing units (chips that integrate both x86 and stream processing cores) will feature "reduced", or "early" micro-architectural feature-set, whereas central processing units based on new designs will feature "full" or "late" feature-set. As a result, x86 performance of the former will be lower than x86 performance of the latter.

For example, only fully-fledged "late" Piledriver inside Viperfish model 2xh will be able to execute numerous new instructions as well as will receive instructions per clock (IPC) increase. Even though reduced "early" Piledriver inside code-named Trinity APUs model 1xh will be more advanced than the original Bulldozer model 0xh, the x86 cores are projected to be slightly less efficient than those of the full Piledriver.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120524182802_AMD_Rumoured_to_Start_Production_of_Next_Gen_FX_Chips_in_Q3.html


just wanted to do a recap for anybody not all caught up and try to go back on topic LOL

 
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I wasn't trying to flamebait (well... not too seriously) I was referring to the BD marketing deck that I believe included slides comparing it to i7-990X and pointed out what a value proposition it was to go with BD instead. I think they also made a big deal out of the BF3 benches before release even though the SP campaign makes it a moot point. See Tom's Review
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Wasn't in response to your post.

One of the local haters
Only part I disagree with is I haven't seen any PD benches so I don't know how true it is. I also slightly disagree that the x6 chips are an upgrade over the x4. More of a sideways move if anything. They are the same chip but with 2 extra cores. For the most part they would provide the same scores. (unless you are doing something that can use the extra cores.)

Other then that I would agree. It's horribly sad that the 2100/2120 can provide the same frame rates or better then BD or the x4 chips. When building a gaming rig I really do suggest Intel CPUs. Even if you can't OC them.
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Thus I demonstrated that statement to be incorrect. SPTLD's are no longer indicative of actual game play experience.

And I'm surprised no mods have deleted what is obviously a troll post.

And speaking of illogical and delusional....
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No information provided, no logical debate or discourse. A post with the sole purpose of insulting, making fun of and attempting to instigate a flame war.
 
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Or simply wait 2 years after the console refresh and buy something that crushes the console in terms of specs.

I hope the next gen consoles are x86.

:)
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My current PC will crush the XBox 720 and PS4 sadly enough. Not sure they could fit a overclocked HD7970, 4.5GHz 2500K and 16GB of 1600MHz DDR3 into such a small space and contain no only the heat but the awesomeness.

:kaola:

It looks like the next Playstation might be based on the Trinity APU: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sony-playstation-ps4-amd-fusion,15944.html
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Thats the latest rumor. But that seems to change every few months. First was Cell again but a new GPU. Then it was a new CPU (unknown) and a equivalent to a HD4870 but no DX11. Then it was a CPU (unknown) and equivalent to HD6670 (still the XBox 720s current rumor) now its a possible APU with a "Tahiti" GPU capable of 1.8TFLOPs.....

I guess we will see a new rumor in the next few months. Maybe one with a BD CPU and Kepler based GPU?
 
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