AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

^ Ya know, when ya link to his site you help drive hits there 😛..

Anyway, he's no worse than somebody like Sharikou who has been posting his anti-Intel diatribe for years now. In fact he is arguably better, as he doesn't claim a fake PhD and he allegedly tests hardware himself, instead of just going around the net and cherrypicking some benchmark or two 😀..

There was some discussion of his pre-Bulldozer benches on the old BD thread, which I think may have been deleted. IIRC he was fairly close to the results from the official reviews after BD launched.

 

[dattimr]

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/09/preview-amd-fx-8350-piledriver-last.html someone ban this crunt sack from the internet not only is he extremely biased and cannot hide it, he also talks crap to trafic attention.....but its like they say "feed the trolls". Why would Steamroller, Excavator be Server grade only, why bolt on a high end Radeon core for servers why make all the changes to improve single threaded performance on server grade chips.....this guy is a first class prick of the highest order.

I have seen a FX 8350 sample and there are things I am happy with something I am not pleased with but it was to be expected being the same process as Zambezi, in fact Zambezi with slight revision, unlike Vishera which will be a new process completely.

I am not sure whether I grasped the last part of your post. Did you mean that the FX 8350 is just another Zambezi stepping, and that it is not what AMD is expected to launch as "Vishera"?

 

[sarinaide]

They normally are, its very easy to get ES chips if you know the right people.

 

[sarinaide]

I am not sure whether I grasped the last part of your post. Did you mean that the FX 8350 is just another Zambezi stepping, and that it is not what AMD is expected to launch as "Vishera"?

Some will argue that in due course, it is a refined bulldozer nothing more but its not the issue that the revision doesn't work but in some regards which will be irrelevent to about 99.999% of persons its the same. Kaviri is a rework with significant architectural changes also an new fab process for AMD.

 

[dattimr]

Some will argue that in due course, it is a refined bulldozer nothing more but its not the issue that the revision doesn't work but in some regards which will be irrelevent to about 99.999% of persons its the same. Vishera is a rework with significant architectural changes also an new fab process for AMD.

Don't you mean that "Steamroller" is a rework with significant architectural changes, also a new fab process?" Vishera (aka AM3+ Piledriver) isn't exactly a "tick" in Intel terminology, but it isn't an aggressive evolution either, and it certainly doesn't use a new fab process (it's still 32nm).

EDIT: Oh, you have actually replaced Vishera with Kaveri. Now it makes sense.

 

[sarinaide]

Don't you mean that "Steamroller" is a rework with significant architectural changes, also a new fab process?" Vishera (aka AM3+ Piledriver) isn't exactly a "tick" in Intel terminology, but it isn't an aggressive evolution either, and it certainly doesn't use a new fab process (it's still 32nm).

EDIT: Oh, you have actually replaced Vishera with Kaveri. Now it makes sense.

Steamroller - TSMC and the die size is unknown as of now but believed to be 28nm as it will be the first fusion APU proper with a GCN Radeon core (7700 level), the platform is also unknown speculation is it will be a FM+ socket. On the metal level you will probably look at PD/BD and look at SR and it will be completely different at metal level.

If you put your faith in OBR then the FX 8350 will be a big step....he somehow calls being 2600/2700 level as being crap but thats hardly poor. 24minutes on a 32mb SuperPI iterations is what bothers me still.

 

[dattimr]

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/09/preview-amd-fx-8350-piledriver-last.html

Disclaimer: This is not tested by OBR itself, but by chinese owner of this web. CPU is final ES sample, but BIOS has only early support of OR-C0 chips. There are lot of problems with stability a freezes during testing. Final performance can be different, but i dont believe that. It was the same with ES Bulldozer OR-B0 chips. ES has the same performance as Retail CPU. This preview is for Flanker, biggest AMD fan on the planet. BTW, thanks for FX-8150 results buddy ...

That is quite interesting, because earlier in the week OBR wrote

Hi folks, Piledriver FX (FX2-8300 family) is here at my lab few days. But i have a lot of other work now, and waiting for pretty new mobo with fully support of Bulldy C0. New Asus Formula-Z is on its way to me.

If anything, all the results from OBR should simply be dismissed on the premise that he seems unable to post any consistent and reliable information regarding upcoming AMD products. By the way, I am being very kind and level-headed with my words towards him.

 

[sarinaide]

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/09/preview-amd-fx-8350-piledriver-last.html

Disclaimer: This is not tested by OBR itself, but by chinese owner of this web. CPU is final ES sample, but BIOS has only early support of OR-C0 chips. There are lot of problems with stability a freezes during testing. Final performance can be different, but i dont believe that. It was the same with ES Bulldozer OR-B0 chips. ES has the same performance as Retail CPU. This preview is for Flanker, biggest AMD fan on the planet. BTW, thanks for FX-8150 results buddy ...

That is quite interesting, because earlier in the week OBR wrote

Hi folks, Piledriver FX (FX2-8300 family) is here at my lab few days. But i have a lot of other work now, and waiting for pretty new mobo with fully support of Bulldy C0. New Asus Formula-Z is on its way to me.

If anything, all the results from OBR should simply be dismissed on the premise that he seems unable to post any consistent and reliable information regarding upcoming AMD products. By the way, I am being very kind and level-headed with my words towards him.

Intel and Nvidia fanboi

 

[Cazalan]

Some pricing info is up:
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012090301_Pre-order_prices_of_AMD_Trinity_CPUs.html

If that holds true they could get some people back with the $131 unlocked quad.

 

[jdwii]

Some pricing info is up:
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012090301_Pre-order_prices_of_AMD_Trinity_CPUs.html

If that holds true they could get some people back with the $131 unlocked quad.

I like those prices! I kinda wish they found a way to bring the APU and a normal CPU to the same socket.

 

[truegenius]

^ athlon

 

[cgner]

^ athlon

lol that would be a great marketing strategy for them. Old Athlon 64 raped azz when it came out. So if they will name another CPU say Athlon III or Athlon 128 or Athlon black edition, people will think that AMD owns again. Kinda how they marketed dozer with tons of false advertising.

 

[de5_Roy]

llano athlons (e.g. athlon ii x4 651) were released for socket fm1. those were apus with igpu disabled. socket fm2 will have athlons too. iirc the unlocked athlons (trinity) will have 'k' suffix such as 751k or something like that.

@apu prices: looks quite nice. now it's up to glofo and amd to consistently supply them. if they manage to make a good presence some big name brand (apple) might decide to pick them up again.

 

[mayankleoboy1]

This OBR guy is definitely an Intel+Nvidia fanboi and a spokesperson.

I dunno if anybody else noticed, but i checked OBR about a week back, and there was an article saying that

GTX660 is being releases in a few days.

but after a few hours, that article was removed.

Similarly when IB3770K was to be launched, he posted a performance review, but removed it later at Intels request.

 

[jdwii]

Ok? lol i meant Amd's high-end platform and their APU not a APU with no graphics that's just lame!

 

[jdwii]

This OBR guy is definitely an Intel+Nvidia fanboi and a spokesperson.

I dunno if anybody else noticed, but i checked OBR about a week back, and there was an article saying that

GTX660 is being releases in a few days.

but after a few hours, that article was removed.

Similarly when IB3770K was to be launched, he posted a performance review, but removed it later at Intels request.

OBR is a huge Intel fanboy i just wish he was neutral and knew how to do benchmarks.

 

[esrever]

I would be surprised if OBR actually had a chip of anything and isn't just pulling stuff out of his butt like he always is.

 

[cgner]

*eating popcorn and enjoying the flamefest*

 

[dattimr]

I would be surprised if OBR actually had a chip of anything and isn't just pulling stuff out of his butt like he always is.

He most certainly doesn't have a Vishera, as per his own update to the article -- which I posted on the previous page.

 

[obsama1]

I can't believe the only PD benches we have are from OBR. PD isn't too far off, I hope for a legitimate ES leak. OBR definitely doesn't have a PD chip.

 

[cgner]

I can't believe the only PD benches we have are from OBR. PD isn't too far off, I hope for a legitimate ES leak. OBR definitely doesn't have a PD chip.

I have my doubts about AMD releasing much info before *official* release date. They always announce something and its not in the stores for 2 months

 

[skitz9417]

i hope the pd is better than the bd and phemons but how know if they will bet the intel cpus

 

[truegenius]

Ok? lol i meant Amd's high-end platform and their APU not a APU with no graphics that's just lame!

everybody know that you are very well aware of fm(x) athlon and you are talking about pure cpu and not a defective apu
if amd is going to discontinue am(x) socket then they realy need to back this segment up with some alternative because apus are not enough even for low range ( intel - putting more shader , first adopter of new ram , resources etc )

Samsung Joins the HSA Foundation
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/28596-samsung-joins-the-hsa-foundation

 

[amuffin]

http://wccftech.com/amd-vishera-fx8350-x86-piledriver-pitted-fx8150-cpu-benchmarks/

About an i5.

 

[cgner]

So some guy pulls turds outta his azz and then another guy comments and speculates based on that. internet ftw.