AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

just remember what I said obsama
it is just logical
the console makers really make their money from licensing the rights to make the games to the developers and makers of accessories and also make the software and accessories themselves
the consoles are sold with very little profit margin
if all they sold where consoles they couldnt stay in business
even the big OEM computer makers are having trouble with the home PC market
IBM sold their PC business to Lenovo
not because they were hurting
just wasnt cost effective
IBM is doing very well with their patents and enterprise software solutions
HP tried last year to sell their PC business also
console/PC systems have a low profit margin
for example I was a Radioshack store manager and they taught us that a $200 printer made $20 in gross profit
a $30 USB cable made $20 in gross profit
same amount of profit

also the idea of one unified gaming console is not my own
I have read about that happening in more than one article

And if you sold a Monster-brand HDMI cable for $120, you'd make about $115 in profit 😀

 

[jdwii]

And if you sold a Monster-brand HDMI cable for $120, you'd make about $115 in profit 😀

Not for radio shack but for Monster

 

[-Fran-]

In this day and what looks to be the couple of years (and maybe next gen), consoles primary aim is to replace what we call "HTPCs" and Tablets in the living room, having "gaming" as a ticket in the long set of features check list.

The Nintendo Wii started this a long time ago I guess, but now it's really marked that Consoles want to be your "Living room computing hardware". Even replacing "smart TVs" and I have no problem with that, since HTPCs won't disappear, but will compete with them.

Cheers!

 

[cgner]

And if you sold a Monster-brand HDMI cable for $120, you'd make about $115 in profit 😀

haha so true. I got a monster cable, most overhyped thing there is

 

[obsama1]

An HDMI cable is an HDMI cable. The $5 ones on Amazon are just as good as the Monster ones. I literally LOL every time I go to BB and see those $30 HDMI cables.

 

[Smeg45]

I wonder what happened to quality single player story based games - Planescape Torment is spectacular, has anything matched it yet? No. Will anything ever match it? Very unlikely. Lucky we still have developers like CD Projekt. If its not some 3hr throwaway FPS, its some free to play or MMORPG rubbish. Even Sleeping Dogs was all over the place. There was no real story just a skeletal outline. Anyway, back on topic.

 

[noob2222]

An HDMI cable is an HDMI cable. The $5 ones on Amazon are just as good as the Monster ones. I literally LOL every time I go to BB and see those $30 HDMI cables.

true that. I needed a cable one time right away, went to target. all they had by their tvs were the moster cables, $40-$100 .. hmm , not paying that price no matter how bad i need it. checked by their console equpiment. picked up the xbox hdmi 1.4a cable for $10.

 

[Smeg45]

true that. I needed a cable one time right away, went to target. all they had by their tvs were the moster cables, $40-$100 .. hmm , not paying that price no matter how bad i need it. checked by their console equpiment. picked up the xbox hdmi 1.4a cable for $10.

I can beat that, my gaming system is hooked up to my monitor with a $7 1.3c cable. Digital is digital. Its either there or not.

 

[obsama1]

^^^
Very true. The avg. consumer either buys the expensive HDMI cables, or just doesn't know you can get them on Amazon for a few bucks.

 

[noob2222]

I wasn't starting a "im better than you because" arguement, more of the point that stores promote their "monster crapbles" while hiding the cheaper stuff by the console parts.

 

[cgner]

I wonder what happened to quality single player story based games - Planescape Torment is spectacular, has anything matched it yet? No. Will anything ever match it? Very unlikely. Lucky we still have developers like CD Projekt. If its not some 3hr throwaway FPS, its some free to play or MMORPG rubbish. Even Sleeping Dogs was all over the place. There was no real story just a skeletal outline. Anyway, back on topic.

I feel your pain man 🙁 Sad how everyone jumped on the multiplayer bandwagon due to call of duty's big profits and all the pirates playing single player games. I miss good old hitman games, final fantasy 7, the list goes on.

 

[Smeg45]

I feel your pain man 🙁 Sad how everyone jumped on the multiplayer bandwagon due to call of duty's big profits and all the pirates playing single player games. I miss good old hitman games, final fantasy 7, the list goes on.

Its got nothing to do with piracy. Its to do with lazy greedy developers pandering to the console masses who can only appreciate BOOM and can't sit still for longer than a few minutes to appreciate a good story. Not to mention the $$$$$ in free to play and multiplayer. The end results is poor quality games.

 

[Cazalan]

^^^
Very true. The avg. consumer either buys the expensive HDMI cables, or just doesn't know you can get them on Amazon for a few bucks.

Yeah going to those stores for the simple stuff is like buying your milk and bread at a gas station quick mart. It's marked up massively just to carry them.

Obviously that kind of stuff isn't working for the likes of Best Buy. I think they'd have more sell through on the bigger ticket items if they priced accessories at a more reasonable markup. Put them way in the back of the store like grocery stores do with the milk. Forcing you to walk right past all the impulse buy items.

 

[cgner]

Its got nothing to do with piracy. Its to do with lazy greedy developers pandering to the console masses who can only appreciate BOOM and can't sit still for longer than a few minutes to appreciate a good story. Not to mention the $$$$$ in free to play and multiplayer. The end results is poor quality games.

The reason they value consoles is because console gamers buy their games, vast majority of PC gamers, like you I suppose, pirate their games and then blame developers for being lazy and greedy. What do you expect from them?

 

[obsama1]

There's PC piracy, but don't act like every console gamer buys their games. Tons of piracy on the consoles.

 

[cgner]

It cant match PC piracy. Not even close. Even if there is tons of it.

 

[Smeg45]

It cant match PC piracy. Not even close. Even if there is tons of it.

Really? I can go down to my local Chinatown, pick up a pre-cracked console and a wallet filled with 100 burnt console games ready to go for $300 or so. Go on, it can't match PC piracy is a myth.

 

[cgner]

Not saying it can't be done. Just saying its not nearly as widespread as PC piracy.

 

[Cazalan]

They should make game stamps, like with food stamps. People who can't afford the games can use the stamps. Then you don't have people committing crimes to get food or games. 😉

 

[cgner]

What next? internet porn stamps? crack stamps? disneyland stamps? Cant buy it, and its not necessary? too bad.

 

[tpzhei]

i got a amd llano a8-3870k + 6670 card, f1a75-m le board, 120gig forceGt sata 3, 8gig ripjawsx RAM, 2tb hdd for storage. now is this build ok for some light gaming

 

[cgner]

How light? Minesweeper, pong, chess will all work.

 

[noob2222]

i got a amd llano a8-3870k + 6670 card, f1a75-m le board, 120gig forceGt sata 3, 8gig ripjawsx RAM, 2tb hdd for storage. now is this build ok for some light gaming

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1365/pg9/amd-fusion-a8-3870k-overclocking-and-dual-graphics-performance-review-conclusion.html

thats basically your setup.

 

[king smp]

i got a amd llano a8-3870k + 6670 card, f1a75-m le board, 120gig forceGt sata 3, 8gig ripjawsx RAM, 2tb hdd for storage. now is this build ok for some light gaming

I had a 3ghz Core2Duo and a HD 5670 and I was able to play Crysis 2,Crysis Warhead,Metro 2033,Witcher 2 all at 1920x1080 medium to higher settings no AA/AF
your system is stronger than that one
so your system should be fine at 1920x1080 or below at medium to high settings no AA for any game

this is my Youtube channel "Gaming on a Budget" which has videos to prove it can be done

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSpooky777/videos?view=0

 

[cgner]

^I second the idea of not using anti aliasing with low end card. Its heavy on the system. Even when I play games where I could get 60 fps with 1080p and 4aa, I still only use 2aa. It helps me avoid frame-rate dips, keeps card cooler, saves a little energy. Finally, when you play at 1080p, AA hardly makes a visual difference past 2xAA.