AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[obsama1]

It does bring good things, like the live tiles and it does make applications a bit easier to find. But can you really multitask more than 2 Metro apps? No. You can only run 2 side-by-side. I want to see how the consumer market will react to this. Their opinion will be heard more loudly than ours.

 

[esrever]

Here's a slightly old graph, but you get the idea of the direction it goes in.
http://db.tt/d4hcnD4

Not to mention that many game developers do console optimization then ports to PC and tweak a couple features, nobody does separate console and PC versions anymore.

that graph would not include steam or any MMOs like WOW as well as the many F2P games on PC. The PC market through traditional channels is miniscule compared to the digital world.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2011/02/04/steam_revenue_nearly_hits_1_billion

steam 2010 revenue was $1b

wow had like 10m subscribers paying $15 a month = $1.8B

thats not even counting games like LoL and other MMOs. Also not counting the games sold on other services such as origin. I would estimate the PC gaming market to be more than the console market with everything factored in.

 

[esrever]

http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/37059-PC_gaming_industry_booms_in_2011

The PC Gaming Alliance has released their research numbers for 2011.
The results are massive, and it appears that the world has spent 18.6 billion dollars on PC games last year, growing the market by more than 15%! Stronger still, the PC gaming juggernaut is projected to continue growth towards a 25.5 billion dollar market in 2015.

 

[cgner]

^ oh yea, interesting note right thear.

 

[blackkstar]

It does bring good things, like the live tiles and it does make applications a bit easier to find. But can you really multitask more than 2 Metro apps? No. You can only run 2 side-by-side. I want to see how the consumer market will react to this. Their opinion will be heard more loudly than ours.

No hardcore user is going to use metro apps for serious work. Metro is designed for the kinds of people who would use iOS or Android as their primary device.

Power users who use Windows 8 will spend all their time running desktop apps in the desktop environment, only using Metro to type in the name of the program they want to run and moving on.

On a piledriver related note, what does everyone think the better binned chip is going to be? The 95w 8320 or the 125 8350?

 

[Dangi]

On a piledriver related note, what does everyone think the better binned chip is going to be? The 95w 8320 or the 125 8350?

Both are 125W chips.


And I will like to see a comparison between them, being both of them unlocked I don't know if it's worth buying 8350 over 8320

 

[obsama1]

The 8320. Most people just got the 8120 and overclocked it. It's like the 2550K vs. 2500K. Most will jump on the 8320.

 

[cgner]

overclocking ftw

 

[jdwii]

Honestly, that comment isn't even funny. There should be no problem in someone's saying that he prefers the aesthetics of Aero Glass over those of the new flat theme, but the latter's don't look ugly -- especially in comparison to anything that is pre-Vista. You guys should probably take a close look at LXDE, XFCE (without heavy customization from distros), Openbox, and pretty much any Linux interface that isn't KDE or based on GNOME 3. There you'd find objective ugliness. (Actually, in KDE you'd find subjective ugliness, and all Linux interfaces perform really poor in an area or another.) In addition, if you guys want "productivity" and "advantages of Windows 8 over 7" to enter into this discussion, I might actually write a fully articulated post on that.

That made me laugh i don't know i just think the sales will prove my point and how fast windows 9 comes out. Metro looks ugly its as simple as that i guess its not the same for all but i honestly think its funny how you compare linux to windows which should never be done.

 

[de5_Roy]

look kids, no more $300 underperforming overhyped cpus!
http://www.techpowerup.com/173921/AMD-FX-quot-Vishera-quot-Processors-Launch-Pricing-Surprises.html
okay that's not confirmed. but it's less repellant than bd's pricing and the $250~ preorder price.
amd a10 5800k breaks oc igpu records
http://www.techpowerup.com/173914/AMD-A10-5800K-Graphics-Scores-P10000+-in-3DMark-Vantage.html

 

[jdwii]

look kids, no more $300 underperforming overhyped cpus!
http://www.techpowerup.com/173921/AMD-FX-quot-Vishera-quot-Processors-Launch-Pricing-Surprises.html
okay that's not confirmed. but it's less repellant than bd's pricing and the $250~ preorder price.
amd a10 5800k breaks oc igpu records
http://www.techpowerup.com/173914/AMD-A10-5800K-Graphics-Scores-P10000+-in-3DMark-Vantage.html

If true Amd has great Price/Performance

 

[mayankleoboy1]

Best indicator of CPU performance, relative to the competition, is its price.

 

[esrever]

http://www.techpowerup.com/173921/AMD-FX-quot-Vishera-quot-Processors-Launch-Pricing-Surprises.html

$200 for the FX8350.

 

[sarinaide]

I have seen how far a A10 can go with discrete graphics, locked at 3.8ghz you can run everything up to a 7870 rather easily when you hit Tahiti and GK104 levels you need to OC to 4-4.1ghz to avoid the bottlenecking. It can run two 7850's crossfired at 4ghz easily.

iGPU perfromance and dual graphics with a HD6670 is rather impressive, more so than I believed it would be, another thing using RipJawsX 2400 and tridents at those SPD's makes around 5-6FPS difference over 1866, so this platform responds well to faster memory. I assume the absence of L3 is worth around 3-5FPS so all in all should be very competitive in toms CPU recommendations, should theoretically be alongside it or just bellow, but then again i wouldn't really bet on that.

On different news altogether the Devil13 is just wow, the initial drivers kinda stank but refined drivers and the ability to use MSI Afterburner is a massive plus, this card hits 1250mhz effortlessly, it just gets really loud. In benches, it beats the 690 often, but then again it is two pure 7970's rather than clocked back GK104's.

 

[tonync_01]

look kids, no more $300 underperforming overhyped cpus!
http://www.techpowerup.com/173921/AMD-FX-quot-Vishera-quot-Processors-Launch-Pricing-Surprises.html
okay that's not confirmed. but it's less repellant than bd's pricing and the $250~ preorder price.
amd a10 5800k breaks oc igpu records
http://www.techpowerup.com/173914/AMD-A10-5800K-Graphics-Scores-P10000+-in-3DMark-Vantage.html

They've already got the FX-8350 at $209 for pre-order, so I definitely believe $199 for retail.
http://www.shopblt.com/item/amd-fx-8350-8c-processor-am3/amd_fd8350frhkbox.html

 

[cgner]

AMD's value has always been out of question. Their GPU's currently beat all nvidia competition on same performance levels in terms of price.

 

[sarinaide]

Well PD is not really that bad, to manage 7% IPC gain most will tell you that for not being a architecture change that kind of yield is very impressive. AMD just like Intel have to commit to it, a change will be more costly and this is still a product to sell. Whether reviewers are going to give it a fighting chance is another story.

 

[einheriar]

Remember how expensive those 8088, 386 and 486's were? Those were before AMD and VIA got competitive in the x86 PC department, I remember paying $2500 for a basic 486/SX25, yikes but prices of new systems began to drop over the years because AMD and VIA were releasing similar spec'd systems as Intel were for cheaper. If AMD quits the race, Intel would indeed hike prices of CPUs and Intel equipped chipset motherboards, yikes again.

Something else that doesn't make much sense to me though, why are iPads still $700-800 when the best Android tablets are $350-400?

Because apple makes a humongous amount of profit over the backs of gullible people that actually believe the church of St. Jobs Gospel that their products are divinely inspired products are actually better due to the high price they ask..

Yeah remember the 1000$ intel processors too, and that was over 20 years ago without inflation correction

 

[geraldfryjr]

Yep Remember the First 20Mhz 80286 !!!
I had one of those !!!
On the only motherboard that would do it !!!

I also had one of the First Dual CPU Pentium Pro 200 from Aberdeen(circa of about the first 10) !!!!

Man how the times have changed !!!!!!

I am still working on a Opty185 at 2.95Ghz and a few P4's.

I do have a FX-6100 at 4.783Ghz also.

The Funny Part is that I don't see the difference for what I do except how fast it boots up!!!

I am not a gamer but I do use CAD applications.

Even the ole' VIC 20 and RS Color Computer was Fast !!!!

The Fastest 8/16 Bit computer in the world...Love that 6809!


He,he,he,he,he,he !!!!

I never bought an Apple product and never will!

I do have some of the boards from an Apple like IIe or something and I am sure that they might go for some big bucks but O well.
Apple has become a company that they don't know what to do since Steve has passed away!
Now they are lost and are attacking the ones whom feeds them!!!
And good ole Steve Wozniac whom was booted from the company has his own thing going on !!!

I will keep my Apple IIe boards for ever now!!

Thanks!!

jer

 

[de5_Roy]

Well PD is not really that bad, to manage 7% IPC gain most will tell you that for not being a architecture change that kind of yield is very impressive. AMD just like Intel have to commit to it, a change will be more costly and this is still a product to sell. Whether reviewers are going to give it a fighting chance is another story.

heh. why would reviewers 'give it a fighting chance'? if anything, amd-friendly sites give out over-the-top awards for any amd cpu that comes out. those guys already give amd cpus much more than 'fighting chance'. the more neutral sites just gauge cpu performance.
i noticed that your claimed pd ipc improvement is down to 7% from the much touted 15%-20%. XD

 

[sarinaide]

7% instructions per clock may very well corrolate to 15% performance gains.

Some applications exhibit this trend, others not, after all the architecture limitations are still there.

 

[gamerk316]

Best indicator of CPU performance, relative to the competition, is its price.

You make the silly assumption that pricing is indicative of performance. I'm going to say it again: CPUs prices are set by what market segment the CPU in question occupies. PD release prices are going to be EXACTLY the same as BD release prices, regardless of how they perform against IB. They'll adjust to market pressures after the early adopters stop inflating demand, but until then, prices are basically set in stone.

 

[sookster54]

I also had one of the First Dual CPU Pentium Pro 200

I had one of those along with a RAID Of UW/U2W SCSI drives and it was such a space heater, the mobo only accepts ECC ram. Still used it up until 2006 when the VRM burnt up and I couldn't find another and someone I knew had a spare one so I sent to the system to him so he can use it on the server array he has, I think it's still in operation today running Linux.

 

[sookster54]

They've already got the FX-8350 at $209 for pre-order, so I definitely believe $199 for retail.
http://www.shopblt.com/item/amd-fx-8350-8c-processor-am3/amd_fd8350frhkbox.html

That will be a nice price, what worries me is how much longer will AM3+ be in AMD's lineup? FM1 went to FM2 pretty fast and won't stop them from doing FM3 for the Steamroller APU.

 

[sookster54]

I'm the only one here who thinks Windows 8 is going to fail worse than vista, Android and crapple already have loads of apps and windows 8 doesn't it's going to be a crappy tablet OS that has no support and their stuff is going to cost more than Androids.

me too
windows 8 metro is crap in pc, it may work in tablet/smartphone
to me windows 8 explorer looks worse than windows NT 😗
windows phone are more expensive too

Oh I can't stand the Metro UI, part of why I avoided Windows 7 phones, it's too simple.

Is there even a reason to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8? I know there was for Vista to 7, Vista was not that great (worked well once I turned off UAC) except a couple games behaved weirdly on it, my Dell laptop I gave to my mother still runs Vista.