AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[-Fran-]

Please stop with this minimum wage *** no one cares. This isn't "AMD Piledriver rumors and expert conjecture about ecomics", it's about chips.

First FX 8350 review: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_fx8350_vishera&num=1

"The slated retail price at launch for the FX-8350 is $195 USD. The Intel Core i5 3570K is presently retailing for around $230 and the Intel Core i7 3770K is around $330. In other words, the AMD FX-8350 is offered at a rather competitive value for fairly high-end desktops and workstations against Intel's latest Ivy Bridge offerings -- if you're commonly engaging in a workload where AMD CPUs do well."

I kind of agree with that statement, but with a grain of salt...

A 4.6Ghz Vishera won't have an earth shattering advantage against a 4.6Ghz Zambezi, so it's still in "sidegrade" category perf wise. Also, there's no Phenom II in there to be compared against. I still think a 4.2Ghz PhII 980/1100T is a better buy for budget/multi.

Now, I'll wait for Tom's to see the power numbers. If 4.6Ghz on air is kind of easy, then I'm sold. The extra hertz will make it an upgrade over the PhII 965.

Cheers!

PS: That is going to be taken away, since I'm sure they got the date wrong, lol.

 

[NoUserBar]

Please stop with this minimum wage *** no one cares. This isn't "AMD Piledriver rumors and expert conjecture about ecomics", it's about chips.

First FX 8350 review: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p [...] hera&num=1

+1 to black star

 

[amdfangirl]

That is going to be taken away, since I'm sure they got the date wrong, lol.

I doubt it is. It's Oct 23 in Germany.

Besides, Linux benchmarks are weeeeeird.

 

[-Fran-]

I doubt it is. It's Oct 23 in Germany.

Besides, Linux benchmarks are weeeeeird.

I know, but I don't really think AMD meant Germany's 23rd of October to be honest.

If that is the case though... TOMS! REVIEW NOW!

Cheers! 😛

 

[cgner]

lol they should tell us which timezone has to hit 12 am for it to be released.

 

[tonync_01]

Some graphs from a review that got posted, then removed: http://www.overclock.net/t/1318860/various-amd-piledriver-fx-series-cpu-reviews#post_18425176

 

[-Fran-]

From the initial testing of the brand new AMD FX-8350 "Vishera", the performance was admirable, especially compared to last year's bit of a troubled start with the AMD FX Bulldozer processors.

For many of the Linux computational benchmarks carried out in this article, the AMD FX-8350 proved to be competitive with the Intel Core i7 3770K "Ivy Bridge" processor. Seeing the FX-8350 compete with the i7-3770K at stock speeds in so many benchmarks was rather a surprise since the Windows-focused AMD marketing crew was more expecting this new high-end processor to be head-to-head competition for the Intel Core i7 3570K on Microsoft's operating system.

The slated retail price at launch for the FX-8350 is $195 USD. The Intel Core i5 3570K is presently retailing for around $230 and the Intel Core i7 3770K is around $330. In other words, the AMD FX-8350 is offered at a rather competitive value for fairly high-end desktops and workstations against Intel's latest Ivy Bridge offerings -- if you're commonly engaging in a workload where AMD CPUs do well.

In not all of the Linux CPU benchmarks did the Piledriver-based FX-8350 do well. For some Linux programs, AMD CPUs simply don't perform well and the 2012 FX CPU was even beaten out by older Core i5 and i7 CPUs. We can hopefully see improvements here later on through compiler optimizations and other software enhancements. As shown in my earlier AMD Piledriver compiler tuning tests from the A10-5800K Trinity, with the current GCC release there isn't much improvement out of the "bdver2" optimizations for this processor that should expose the CPU's BMI, TBM, F16C, and FMA3 capabilities over the original AMD Bulldozer processors. I hope that we will see further compiler improvements out of AMD to close some of these performance gaps.

Due to the open nature of Linux with a wide variety of options being available for testing the kernel, different compilers and compiler flags, plus countless other settings and packages that can be tweaked, many more AMD FX-8350 benchmarks are on the way. An article following up closely after this initial launch-day AMD Vishera article will also go over the performance-per-Watt, the Linux gaming benchmark performance, and other interesting data.

From my initial testing of the AMD FX-8350 over the past two weeks (though the last couple of days over in Prague for LinuxDays), I'm quite satisfied with the AMD FX-8350 eight-core processor on Linux. Aside from the FX-8350 performing well in most CPU benchmarks, the FX-8350 also works well under Linux. The only Linux compatibility complaint I have about the Piledriver CPUs on Linux is that the CPU temperature monitoring didn't work from Ubuntu 12.10, but that isn't normally a show-stopping problem. It would also be nice for AMD to port more user-space utilities to Linux for overclocking and other CPU information reporting, but there isn't any CPU vendor currently doing that for Linux so it's basically a feature request.

Stay tuned for more Vishera Linux testing and thanks to AMD for providing this early FX-8350 sample for being able to provide launch-day Linux coverage for their many open-source customers.

Here's the full conclusion from the already-pulled Phoronix Review.

Cheers! 😛

 

[Dangi]

I doubt it is. It's Oct 23 in Germany.

Besides, Linux benchmarks are weeeeeird.

Linux benches aren't weird, is just that in Linux you can recompile the benchmark so it is optimized for your CPU but GCC is still no quite there yet with the PD

And they dispar from windows benches beacause most of the benches in windows are compiled using the Intel compiler that is know for slowing down AMD CPUs

 

[sookster54]

And Linux doesn't cause any overhead on memory or CPU like Windows does.

 

[jaguarskx]

Allow me to make a counter argument: As the price of labor goes up, people spend more money. People spend more money, demand rises. Demand rises, supply drops. To increase supply, business hires more workers.

The counterpoint would be inflation since higher costs are usually passed onto the consumer. Consumer confidence and prices generally dictate what and when people purchase items. The higher the consumer confidence the more likely people will purchase products to the point when they decide it costs too much.

I'm not against increased minimum wage, but I think it would have been better if the Australian $15 minimum wage was phased in over a number of years. It would be less of a system shock to employers (especially small businesses like your mom & pop diner, grocery store, etc.). The impact on big businesses that relies more on professionally skill employees are much less affected by businesses who relies on unskilled labor, especially at the junior level.

 

[jaguarskx]

Logical fallacy. You are not seriously going to argue that business stops hiring for a year, every other year, because of elections. Especially when its clear government is going to be split in power (and thus unable to do anything.

Business hires to meet consumer demand, in order to maximize profit. Period. Don't read too much more into things. The interaction of supply, demand, and price ALWAYS runs the business cycle.

Business aren't hiring for one reason and one reason alone: Flat consumer demand. With people saving rather then spending, there simply isn't enough spending left in the middle class to get business hiring enough to really dent UE much. Its enough to keep things from getting worse, but not enough to make things better.

No. They are postponing plans to hire at the moment because businesses are uncertain who will win the election. Once the new president has been elected they can then determine what potential impact either candidate's policies will have on their businesses. That is once their exact policies are known. It will not affect all hiring as there are certain numbers / types of employees are necessary to keep the business going "status quo". As far as expanding the business, that is a different story.

I suppose the way I phrased the sentence did not reflect what I actually meant.

Regarding supply and demand, there is currently low demand, thus supply is or will be low, thus there are lay-offs. Case in point to get back on topic, AMD will be downsizing 15% of it's global workforce due to the slowdown in PC sales as tablets are becoming more popular and smartphone sales are on the rise. To a lesser extent, Intel is laying of a "small percentage" of it's McAfee division.

 

[garage1217]

BTW, 8350 in stock on Newegg, Ordering now!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284&name=Processors-Desktops

 

[amdfangirl]

Linux benches aren't weird, is just that in Linux you can recompile the benchmark so it is optimized for your CPU but GCC is still no quite there yet with the PD

And they dispar from windows benches beacause most of the benches in windows are compiled using the Intel compiler that is know for slowing down AMD CPUs

Which is why they are weird 😛.

So the phoronix article did get pulled.

huh...

 

[$hawn]

I don't know about the others, but the FX6300 for that price looks like a steal of a deal to me
Will totally destroy any i3 in that price range when it comes to threaded workloads, plus its a 95W

 

[jdwii]

Still waiting on some better benchmarks before i say anything is conclusive but it looks better than what i expected and some how it looks competitive to the I3 at gaming while destroying the I5 at everything else that is even remotely threaded but again Once 12 gets here will have a better clue i do know prices are Fantastic right now, I really want to see ALL of these processors benchmarked not just the 8350.

 

[esrever]

BTW, 8350 in stock on Newegg, Ordering now!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284&name=Processors-Desktops

weren't they supposed to be $200?

 

[jdwii]

http://pctuning.tyden.cz/hardware/procesory-pameti/25399-amd-piledriver-fx-procesor-fx-8350-v-testu

 

[garage1217]

Close enough for me lol $10 more than BLT ($210 shipped vs. $219.99) but it is in stock and shipping vs BLT shows November? Will be fun! Have a new case, PSU and watercooling gear on the way to start the new build this weekend

I could have swore newegg had it for $209.99 when I posted about it.... when I ordered it was $219.99 Was just posted so they probably raised it in the middle of me adding to cart.

 

[$hawn]

weren't they supposed to be $200?

newness tax? 😛 😛

 

[jdwii]

 

[cgner]

Linux and mac os both dont hoard resources just to be run on a system like win 7 does.

 

[truegenius]

anandtech benches 😉
8530 vs 1090t
cinebench r11.5
single 1.1 vs 1.08
multi 6.89 vs 5.72
so it is near ~20% better than 1090t in multi threading, thats as per my prediction 😉 😀

2500k vs 8350
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=288

3220 vs 4300
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=677
Cinebench 11.5 - Multi-Threaded :- 3.24 vs 3.29 😱 (i need an eye specialist :heink)

but here comes the worst one

5800k vs 4300
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=675
Cinebench 11.5 - Multi-Threaded :- 3.24 vs 3.31 😱 (i need a psychiatrist 😱 )

 

[esrever]

anandtech benches 😉

3220 vs 4300
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=677
Cinebench 11.5 - Multi-Threaded :- 3.24 vs 3.29 😱 (i need an eye specialist :heink)

but here comes the worst one
5800k vs 4300
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=675
Cinebench 11.5 - Multi-Threaded :- 3.24 vs 3.31 😱 (i need a psychiatrist 😱 )

the 5800k is clocked higher than the 4300.

 

[esrever]

looks like power consumption is down considerably.

 

[de5_Roy]

fx 8350 review link compilation as of now:

AMD FX-8350 vs Intel Core i7-3770K @ 4.8GHz - Multi-GPU Gaming Performance
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-core-i7-3770k--4.8ghz--multi-gpu-gaming-performance/17494.html
AMD FX-8350 - "Piledriver" for AMD Socket AM3+
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/FX-8350_Piledriver_Review/
AMD's FX-8350 processor reviewed
Piledriver digs in
http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed
FX-8350 vs. Core i5-3470 CPU Review
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/FX-8350-vs-Core-i5-3470-CPU-Review/1657
AMD FX-8350: Piledriver
http://www.bjorn3d.com/2012/10/amd-fx-8350/
AMD FX-8350 Processor Review: Tuned-Up Bulldozer
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8350.html
edit:
tomshardware review
AMD FX-8350 Review: Does Piledriver Fix Bulldozer's Flaws?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328.html
edit:
eteknix(lol) fx 8350 review:
http://www.eteknix.com/reviews/processors/amd-fx-8350-am3-piledriver-processor-review/

other amd/pd news

AMD to Announce Its Future Strategy on October 29, 2012
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-to-announce-its-future-strategy-on-october-29-2012/17551.html

AMD Announces 2012 FX "Vishera" Line of Performance Desktop Processors
http://www.techpowerup.com/174220/AMD-Announces-2012-FX-quot-Vishera-quot-Line-of-Performance-Desktop-Processors.html

TSMC's 16-nm FinFET process coming next year
http://techreport.com/news/23768/tsmc-16-nm-finfet-process-coming-next-year

A8-5600K vs. Pentium G2120 CPU Review
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/A8-5600K-vs-Pentium-G2120-CPU-Review/1656