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We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

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6 Pin Graphics FTW.

I am getting a lot of sleeving, going to sleeve my cables and connectors, Also going to cut the side panel and put a window in, finish it off with UV fans and Cathodes, Blue for Intel and Red For AMD.

Prodigy is fantastic best investment you can make.
 
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I dunno, I just looked at a review of the 8350 over at overclockers, it's a significant improvement over the Phenom II's and is almost a match to the i5 3570K.
 
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I'll have to check that driver out, my spare PII X4 965 PC has a HD5770, with 306.97 for my 560Ti, I've encountered new problems in Battlefield 3 and practically no improvement in other games especially Guild Wars 2 (which seems to get worse in performance each patch).
 
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In applications which scale, where BD should excell.

So "best case", the best BD looses to the best i5. As scaling declines, the i5 increases its performance lead. Hence why PD still struggles in games.
 
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Well an APU deals with a i3 rather copiously, apart from pure single threaded x86 performance the APU beats it has better p/p ratio and is just a better platform, nobody buys a high end motherboard and GPU with a i3, while the A10 can get mobo's with 10 Phase or better VRMS, 8 SATA 3, 8 USB 3.0, 2 way SLI and CFX support, Lucid aesthetics all for less.
 
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while 'hardly anybody' won't buy a high end motherboard with an i3, you can still get Z68 and Z75/77 motherboard for around the same price as the i3.
and the A10-5800K (7660D) is around the same strength as the GT 440.
just pointing that out because I rather have the i3 unit (in this scenario)..

and I have such a unit..
2120 / Z68 mATX / GT 440 = my HTPC
Click to expand...

Higher price point still, lower end Z68 boards very flimsy and skimped on feature wise, its basically scrapping the barrel and you need a discrete card on top of it so all in all the price and power will be more expensive. The expensive part of a Trinity is RAM, putting in 16GB's of Trident X 2400's costs as much as the chip itself but the difference in performance is as much as 25-20% with the added bandwidth.

Still AMD must discontinue AM3+ and put all the money into APU's for DT and Mobility, as the architecture evolves so will the APU. Kaviri APU's expected to have nearly 3x the bandwidth on the IGPU, faster memory, possible on die memory, revised architecture focusing heavily on core efficiency and latencies, it is very possible that the APU may even beat a FX Steam Roller part in pure gaming metrics, which is rather scary. I sold my AM3+ with the view that its long gone and dead to me now it has no market when a A10 is just as good on half the power.

So yes FX2/Vishera is better but in non of the enthusiast metrics, it is marginally better at gaming but its purely a low cost server or rendering machine with mighty fine results at low cost. FM2 and Opteron is the way to go now.

 
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Well kaviri is supposed to be 28nm so they will have more space for the iGPU and the CPU

PD seems to be quite an improvement over BD but not worth the upgrade, I don't see a 10-15% increase in performance a necessary upgrade.

I will get one of this once they are available in my country and give my brother my old Phenom 9650 that in a lot of games struggles to get over 35 FPS while having CPU core at 100%
 
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FX is just salvaged Opterons. AMD does not make specific CPUs for desktop people. They are not losing as much as you think. It is also why Opteron PD launches later. The lower yielding, leaky chips are going to FX while AMD stockpiles Opties. I would die if I could get my hands on an Opteron binned, unlocked CPU. The Opteron 165 I had was a beast. from 1.8ghz to 2.99ghz, all for $99 when I bought it.

I think AMD has another Opty 165 on their hands. Something that costs significantly less than similar performing competition, with a few very weak spots. It was like that with Opty 165 @ 2.99ghz compared to E6600, but E6600 cost 3x as much so I wasn't crying over SuperPi benches.

I just hope AMD doesn't give up on x86. Lets hope for Steamroller being AM3+ and then excavator or something moving to DDR4 and unified socket for servers and desktops.




It has been like that for a long time. How many people upgraded from Nehalem to Sandy or from Sandy to Ivy? It isn't just AMD that's making gains per generation that aren't worth an upgrade.

Look at Nehalem at 4ghz compared to Sandy. It's not much of a reason to upgrade at all. The only reason why Sandy looks so much better than Nehalem/Bloomfield/etc is because they usually bench 2600k @ 3.4ghz with turbo to 3.8ghz to 2.66 core i7 920.

I'm only upgrading because I want something fun to overclock and the rendering performance on FX is killer. Even if I lose some single thread I don't care, the things I wait around for are all multi-threaded.
 
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FM2 is ok for the low end but it's locked at 4 cores.
You need the 6 and 8C variants to get closer to i5/i7 performance.

They can't scale the iGPU much more without a major die shrink and that's 2 years away. This is why Steamroller is focused on CPU enhancements (fixes) over GPU increase.

FM2 makes perfect sense for laptop/netbook/AIO but no sense for desktop.
 
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Not really.
Most windows programs are compiled using the VisualStudio. It is quite a bad compiler compared to the Intel C compiler.

ICC gives consistently better performance than Visual studio for both AMD and Intel.

The difference being that ICC gives better performance on its own processors.
But VS2010 on AMD < ICC on AMD.

So ideally, all windows software should be compiled using the ICC.
 
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Aside from a couple single-threaded benchmarks (and considering the ground AMD has to cover to catch up to the single core performance of Intel chips, this isn't terrible either), the 8350 seems to trade blows with the 3570K, and NewEgg has the Piledriver priced at $10 less than the Intel chip. In heavily multithreaded workloads, the 3770K still handily wins in the majority, but the gap is now more proportional to the price difference.

Maybe there is yet a glimmer of hope for AMD's desktop potential vs. Intel.
 
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Just to be brutally honest as a fan (suffix if needs be) Piledriver/Vishera is better, notably heavy threaded performance is significantly better if you can make use of that at $150 less you have a chip that can easily trade blows with the 3770K in that particular segment.

Gaming and singlethreaded gains are better and if you are happy with good or enough then it certainly is a chip you can use and be happy with.

BUTTTTTTTT

Right now I am bouncing off the walls and am far from happy from a enthusiast point of view. AM3+ and I know I am going on like a record but this socket is a hopless failure and I really hope it disappears so that I don't have to deal with the nightmares of eeking performance from a rock. It starts with the chipset severe limitations and bottleneck alone on this platform. If one is just wanting to do a pure multiplier overclock then fine you can do that and push high clocks, but if you look to push Bus's and HTT its a complete and utter failure and going from Deneb to Thuban to BD to PD it just gets worse, it doesn't want to know anything about it. Steam Roller FX part must be on a new socket with new chipset this platform compared to FM2 and AM3/AM2 is just terrible.

It has been said many times and sometimes one tries to paper over the realisation but right now if another FX part is made I will be surprised to say the least, more talk and with those in AMD suggest that the inevitable canning of AM3+/FX is likely with FM2 showing far more promise, even the most hardened intel fanboy tech reviewers I have met cannot stop but praise Trinity and it really is a fantastic platform with a big future, FX to me is the last kick of a dying horse and basically its at the point of no return. I can see APU's in DT and Mobility along with Opterons as the way forward from here.

On to FM2 not only do gaming results with discrete rather show up FX, I found out that Photoshop and Adobe will have regular updates for FM2 which better allocates resources to the iGPU component for performance that makes the fastest x86 processor look antiquated, the future is fusion enough with this FX crap.
 
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