AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[skitz9417]

its onlys 10% diffence beteewn the i3 and the fx 4300

and do u think it will be a god upgrade form A phemon x4 840

 

[jdwii]

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/FX-8350_Piledriver_Review/images/power_full.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/FX-8350_Piledriver_Review/images/power_full_load.gif

looks like power consumption is down considerably.

When they clocked both at 5Ghz it seems like Piledriver was 5-25% faster while on average 10-15% faster. 8350-8150

 

[de5_Roy]

i thought i should mention this in a seperate post: i'd really appreciate if this thread was kept open for a few more months. piledriver just launched. most of the information will be based on initial impression. as time passes, more detailed analysis will come out, like in depth overclocking analysis, cpu roundup, system builder marathon etc.

 

[jdwii]

i thought i should mention this in a seperate post: i'd really appreciate if this thread was kept open for a few more months. piledriver just launched. most of the information will be based on initial impression. as time passes, more detailed analysis will come out, like in depth overclocking analysis, cpu roundup, system builder marathon etc.

Heck i'm waiting on a steamroller thread now Cough Cough reynod.

 

[jdwii]

Looks like i had to go Italian to see what i want thanks Toms

http://www.tomshw.it/cont/articolo/recensione-amd-fx-8350-ecco-vishera-con-core-piledriver-confronto-cinque-architetture-a-4-ghz/40519/5.html

Was right about the 1100T being 5-10% faster than piledriver in IPC, hope Amd changes this with steamroller.

Overall the 8350 is Amd's best processor, IPC is just as important as clock speed and that 5-10% edge(that the phenom series has) doesn't matter when the processor is clocked 21% higher than a 1100T and 8% higher than a 980. Performance did go up by around 10% on average when the 8150 and the 8350 is clocked the same as well.

And it looks like Overclocking is much more Stable then bulldozer 4.6-4.8Ghz shouldn't be much of an issue with a decent Heatsink and maybe even 5Ghz on some 8350's with water. Efficiency at stock seems to be 5-10% better on most benchmarks as well.

With the 6 core doing so well(i heard 30% faster on average) when compared to the I3 and the 8350 being priced at 195$(newegg 220$) i'm pretty sure they will sell well when compared to bulldozer. I do however think the 4 core PD is kinda a disappointment at least when their 6 core only costs 10$ more the 4 core PD should've been priced at 109 or 99$.

All in all i got what i expected with Piledriver which isn't bad not to mention Amd did not hype this so bad and they didn't lie either piledriver is what they said it would be 10-15% better.

 

[sarinaide]

For gaming while not alpha dog its far better than the 8150 which lumped and chugged its way, it is better with CFX and SLI. It still is very suited to heavy workload as most metrics show it marginally slower than the 3770 at nearly $150 less so that is rather encouraging. In most gaming metrics the 4300 is able to out perform the 8150 which is also good. I see Blazathon was not happy thinking L3 would make a big difference but I think we can see that L3 is not as influential as made out. I still think the Trinity represents better value at the low cost segment and is now the undisputed king of budget, while the higher end FX parts will happily sit in that i5 spectrum.

Love Techreport reviewing now.

 

[anxiousinfusion]

Now to read up on where the 8350 stands in terms of the i7 2600. It's been fun following this thread.

 

[-Fran-]

4.8Ghz in Toms review and seems like it's still slower per clock than the PhII, but close enough to call it even in most tasks that matter.

Upgrade for me at least.

Hopefully I'll get lucky and get one that can be at 4.8 and with less than 1.4v... And hopefully before the 26th in my hands x_X

Cheers!

 

[skitz9417]

4.8Ghz in Toms review and seems like it's still slower per clock than the PhII, but close enough to call it even in most tasks that matter.

Upgrade for me at least.

Hopefully I'll get lucky and get one that can be at 4.8 and with less than 1.4v... And hopefully before the 26th in my hands x_X

Cheers!

good luck

 

[sarinaide]

My summary to date:

Zambezi: At least two years late (maybe 18 months) left ruthlessly exposed to a more efficient Intel arch, the proverbial guinea pig. Perhaps to much was expected, there are no golden tickets with new arches.

Vishera: in a year of immense pressure Vishera delivers more of the intended Zambezi performance, basically on the same process, all round numbers are better, in some aspects very impressive but still seems more suited to psuedo servers and heavy number crunching setups, not really a gamers epeen rig.

Trinity: Undisputed king of budget, flexible platform certainly makes more sense than AM3+ right now, with slated Steamroller improvements, APU's probably look more serious now added further is GCN iGPU parts, time will tell how far the APU's can go, but at least it makes more sense on mobility and desktop than that of AM3+

STEAMROLLER: Let the speculation begin.

 

[amdfangirl]

Probably this time next year.

I hope it's on AM3+ with my board supporting it

Probably need a new PSU to go along that happy power munching 4 module multi-threaded party.

 

[skitz9417]

pileofshit amd is gone good luck for them trying to compit with intel

 

[amdfangirl]

your into undervolting too.? @ amdfangirl

I guess you could say that 😛

 

[amdfangirl]

pileofshit amd is gone good luck for them trying to compit with intel

Once upon 2011, someone really wanted my 785G motherboard for running Coreboot (Open source BIOS), so they paid me more than what I paid for it.

I regret deeply not buying a LGA 1155 motherboard and going full monty and moving up to Sandy Bridge :/.

Oh why did I buy a AM3+ motherboard just before Bulldozer launch?

It's not like AMD will be able to compete on performance/watt (basically the only thing I care about).

(After all I'm spending this year's $220 budget on a GTX 660.)

I figured you would go for the A10 5800K or something like that..
what do you have in mind.?

Hypothetically speaking, I would buy an IVB Intel Core i3 55W.

Realistically speaking, I will probably wait for Skylake/Skymont.

 

[skitz9417]

well i was going for the fx 4320 but im getting a hd 7850 for 199 dollars

 

[amdfangirl]

I only went Nvidia *because I felt like it*.

It just happened to be the fastest 6pin card .

Here I'm coming from a HD 4770 that dies whenever there's a panoramic vista to see.

I don't really like the idea of die-harvested chips. I really don't. I can't explain it. (Ironically, I have a Phenom II X2 unlocked to X3 from the good old unlocking days)

I won't buy an FX 4xxx or 6xxx series, nor a HD 7850 or HD 7750.

I guess I just want all the die or none at all.

 

[gamerk316]

The counterpoint would be inflation since higher costs are usually passed onto the consumer. Consumer confidence and prices generally dictate what and when people purchase items. The higher the consumer confidence the more likely people will purchase products to the point when they decide it costs too much.

Infaltion is nothing more then the result of increased consumer spending. More money being spent justifies highter prices for goods and services. Lack of inflation is one of the first indicators of a recessionary period.

Point being, if only a small portion of the populatuon increases spending, you get inflation, which reduces the buying power of everyone else. Hence why rising wages are a necessity for a growin economy, as you'll stagnate quickly if wages don't follow inflation.

No. They are postponing plans to hire at the moment because businesses are uncertain who will win the election. Once the new president has been elected they can then determine what potential impact either candidate's policies will have on their businesses. That is once their exact policies are known. It will not affect all hiring as there are certain numbers / types of employees are necessary to keep the business going "status quo". As far as expanding the business, that is a different story.

Sorry, thats a BS argument that is not backed by historical facts. Its an argument made by whichever political party is attempting to gain control of government that has no basis in facts. This is especially notable, since the President has little to no power to directly affect the economy (theres this thing called Congress).

Regarding supply and demand, there is currently low demand, thus supply is or will be low, thus there are lay-offs. Case in point to get back on topic, AMD will be downsizing 15% of it's global workforce due to the slowdown in PC sales as tablets are becoming more popular and smartphone sales are on the rise. To a lesser extent, Intel is laying of a "small percentage" of it's McAfee division.

Hence why any attempts to solve the economic problems by making business more profitable is doomed to fail. Due to lack of demand, business will just keep the profits, rather then hire to meet demand that currently doesn't exist.

 

[gamerk316]

Reading reviews now; about what was expected. About as good as PII was, which isn't saying much...

 

[amdfangirl]

I'm lovin' all that highlighted in bold text.... 😀
keep us posted on the GTX 660.

I'm buying it as soon as I touchdown in Hong Kong (cheaper than the insane prices here).

You know, I've had PMs where posters have said "nono, you're not allowed to buy Nvidia, you're amdfangirl"

I was content just telling them that when I joined, it was ATI and Nvidia graphics cards only.

They argue with me.

I end up asking them whether I can buy something with my own money, with my own free will (relatively speaking - with power & thermal constraints).

One person was even audacious enough to demand that I "stop buying traitorous non-AMD products and become a beacon of AMD faithfulness like the username suggests"

*sigh*

If I called myself MarlboroGirl, I wonder, would I still be entitled to exclusively buying Marlboro cigarettes when I develop lung cancer? I think not! I should be able to buy a cigarette brand that kills me silently with a minty aftertaste to cover up the choking wheezing and general dying! (maybe not a good example).

Over the years, my username has become the face of satirical hypocrisy, yay team .

 

[sarinaide]

I am going to cherry pick relevance based tests

http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/7

Being part of a professional BF3 clan it is one game I have interest in and what do you know a 8350 seems to be the smoothest between frames. Fus Ro Dah shoost you with my AN-94.

Much better part, under LN2 we got close to 10ghz, I expect more records to be broken by this part in the extreme overclocking front.

I am going to run a FX 8350 as a home server, its well less than a 3770K for similar performance in that regard.

Skyrim, appart from hoping Bethesda never release a flop like this again, seems to prove that its very single threaded thus not benefiting the higher thread counts on the FX, big jump up on FX 1 but Skyrim is a complete disaster, maybe next time they will not make it a port.

http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/5

 

[sarinaide]

Catalyst 12.11 and requisite drivers for APU's, Sleeping dogs games over 40FPS in sleeping dogs med-high presets at full HD.

GTX660.......Ouch.

 

[amdfangirl]

I am going to cherry pick relevance based tests

http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/7

Being part of a professional BF3 clan it is one game I have interest in and what do you know a 8350 seems to be the smoothest between frames. Fus Ro Dah shoost you with my AN-94.

Much better part, under LN2 we got close to 10ghz, I expect more records to be broken by this part in the extreme overclocking front.

I am going to run a FX 8350 as a home server, its well less than a 3770K for similar performance in that regard.

Skyrim, appart from hoping Bethesda never release a flop like this again, seems to prove that its very single threaded thus not benefiting the higher thread counts on the FX, big jump up on FX 1 but Skyrim is a complete disaster, maybe next time they will not make it a port.

http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/5

The only benchmarks I focus on are the lightly threaded games (granted nobody benchmarks my ancient array of decade old games I like to play most of the time).

Perhaps Photoshop (though I have yet to see a loading screen with my light usage + GPU acceleration.

FX series would be nice if they could just cut down to perhaps +20W over a 3770K?

I would appreciate the price, the cores (for copious amounts of Linux VMs) and those features AMD is nice enough not to disable.

Who knows what strange instruction set will be mandatory to use a new program or install a new type of hardware?

(What was up with disabling VT-x during Conroe? How about ACHI on the G31/G41? I need those features! My Athlon X2 + even older 690G had those features)

so that means your in Australia or New Zealand.?
just a guess.

it seems you have a 'not so good' cult following...
all I can say is you be you..

I'm from both, I hold a dual citizenship.

I have many cults following me. Even PETA, they say that putting a cat on a potato is a type of animal torture in the same way they deplore Pokemon

They equivocate this to the cruelty of forcing a person to use an Intel Atom CPU to do CAD design on the Empire state while encoding videos and trying to watch 1080p without hardware acceleration.

Enough off topic ramble, back to the topic.

 

[amdfangirl]

Catalyst 12.11 and requisite drivers for APU's, Sleeping dogs games over 40FPS in sleeping dogs med-high presets at full HD.

GTX660.......Ouch.

Either Nvidia will roll out better drivers or we'll see a price drop (perhaps a Borderlands 2 game bundle)

I really couldn't care what settings I need to run things at. As long as I don't get single-digit fps when accidentally staring at a canyon in Borderlands 1 and I get to run everything at native res (even at low, no AA) I'm happy. 60fps is nice too

 

[sarinaide]

Either Nvidia will roll out better drivers or we'll see a price drop (perhaps a Borderlands 2 game bundle)

I really couldn't care what settings I need to run things at. As long as I don't get single-digit fps when accidentally staring at a canyon in Borderlands 1 and I get to run everything at native res (even at low, no AA) I'm happy. 60fps is nice too

To go with the other, I ditched AM3+ to go to FM2 because it suits all my needs, considering I still spend most of my time on Half Life, Half Life 2, along with many old fossils the need for me to run a grunt of a gaming rig is done. I am just waiting for the ASRock A85 itx boards then I will be running two prodigy's on extremely low power usage. When gaming and clocking I get sponsored rigs so yeah don't need to worry about epeen anymore, I am happy at above playable frame rates without needing to pander around watching synthetics to justify my purchases.

Nvidia drivers haven't shown the kind of performance improvements compared to catalyst, GCN was sandbagged just enough when Kepler revealed its hand they were rather caught with their pants down. Kepler is fast but it has underlying achitectural issues nothing to do with bus sizes either. In my country they bundled 660ti's with BL2.

 

[amdfangirl]

^ I want Prodigy rig like yours but with a Xeon perhaps.

In pastel green or blue <3

I want vanilla GTX 660. Ti does not interest me.