News AMD-Powered PS5 Demo Puts Your PC to Shame

[Zizo007]

Can you though? Can you show us a PC for less than $600 with the expected performance of PS5?

A 5700XT is 360$. You can get a 1600AF which is a 2600 for 85$ and a 60$ motherboard. Its even cheaper if you digg in the used market. I got my 1800X right when the 2700X was released for 180$.

Sadly you can't buy a used PS5 😃

 

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since they cannot be upgraded like PCs we will most likely have to restart the circle all over again.

Although PCs can be upgraded, PC game developers cannot push PC requirements too much before they alienate a huge chunk of their potential market. Right now, quad-core or lower CPUs and RTX2060 or weaker GPUs still dominate the Steam survey, so that is about as high as minimum specs can go before losing roughly half of the potential market.

 

[Zizo007]

Although PCs can be upgraded, PC game developers cannot push PC requirements too much before they alienate a huge chunk of their potential market. Right now, quad-core or lower CPUs and RTX2060 or weaker GPUs still dominate the Steam survey, so that is about as high as minimum specs can go before losing roughly half of the potential market.

I think its because Steam doesn't have all games and multithreaded games like BFV.
My 4 cores were 100% and game was a slideshow, unplayable.

 

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A 5700XT is 360$. You can get a 1600AF which is a 2600 for 85$ and a 60$ motherboard. Its even cheaper if you digg in the used market. I got my 1800X right when the 2700X was released for 180$.

The 1600AF is unicorn poop, nearly impossible to get for that price. Most decent AM4 boards are out of stock or getting marked up by 3rd-party vendors. To build a complete PC, you also need system RAM, a PSU, storage of some sort, something to toss components in and an OS, most of which also having significant markups compared to pre-covid prices, that's another ~$500+ on top of CPU+MoBo+GPU - a PS5 or X comes with all of the above plus a gamepad, add another $50.

 

[Zizo007]

The 1600AF is unicorn poop, nearly impossible to get for that price. Most decent AM4 boards are out of stock or getting marked up by 3rd-party vendors. To build a complete PC, you also need system RAM, a PSU, storage of some sort, something to toss components in and an OS, most of which also having significant markups compared to pre-covid prices, that's another ~$500+ on top of CPU+MoBo+GPU - a PS5 or X comes with all of the above plus a gamepad, add another $50.

I agree that because of corona its not possible now but usually its possible, I saw the 2600 for 99$ before corona. Asrock b450m was 50$ with mail in rebate from Newegg. Anyways you can still get them used now maybe cheaper.

Also I am sure corona will affect console availability and prices. Without corona you can build a similar pc for 650-700$ new. Its cheaper when used or you can get a better pc for the same price used.
Also pc games are cheaper and a pc has more functionality like multitasking.

 

[spongiemaster]

A 5700XT is 360$. You can get a 1600AF which is a 2600 for 85$ and a 60$ motherboard. Its even cheaper if you digg in the used market. I got my 1800X right when the 2700X was released for 180$.

Sadly you can't buy a used PS5 😃

How about at least trying to make a minimal effort at an honest argument? Have you seen the specs of the next generation consoles?

5700XT - 40 RDNA compute cores @ 1755Mhz - 9.75 TFLOPS
1600AF - Ryzen 1 arch, 6 core 12 thread @ 3.4Ghz all core


Xbox Series X
Graphics - 52 RDNA2 compute cores @ 1825Mhz - 12 TFLOPS
CPU - Ryzen 2 arch, 8 core 16 thread @ 3.8Ghz (3.6Ghz w/SMT)

Even ignoring that consoles are built with the singular purpose of gaming and are able to get far closer to their theoretical performance potential without being saddled by Windows or any other junk; just on specs alone, the next XBox is going to crush a 5700XT with 1600AF. The PS5 has slightly lower specs than the Xbox, but they still exceed any gaming card that AMD has ever sold to date. We're probably looking at something in the RTX 2080 performance circle.

Unless your name is Nintendo, on day one you're selling your console at a loss despite much better parts pricing than regular consumers can get. There is no way, even used you're building a complete gaming PC for $600 comparable to the new consoles. And there is pretty much zero chance you'll be able to in 6 months either, unless you have a rich friend who gave you his old system for free after buying his new 3080ti.

 

[Zizo007]

How about at least trying to make a minimal effort at an honest argument? Have you seen the specs of the next generation consoles?

5700XT - 40 RDNA compute cores @ 1755Mhz - 9.75 TFLOPS
1600AF - Ryzen 1 arch, 6 core 12 thread @ 3.4Ghz all core


Xbox Series X
Graphics - 52 RDNA2 compute cores @ 1825Mhz - 12 TFLOPS
CPU - Ryzen 2 arch, 8 core 16 thread @ 3.8Ghz (3.6Ghz w/SMT)

Even ignoring that consoles are built with the singular purpose of gaming and are able to get far closer to their theoretical performance potential without being saddled by Windows or any other junk; just on specs alone, the next XBox is going to crush a 5700XT with 1600AF. The PS5 has slightly lower specs than the Xbox, but they still exceed any gaming card that AMD has ever sold to date. We're probably looking at something in the RTX 2080 performance circle.

Unless your name is Nintendo, on day one you're selling your console at a loss despite much better parts pricing than regular consumers can get. There is no way, even used you're building a complete gaming PC for $600 comparable to the new consoles. And there is pretty much zero chance you'll be able to in 6 months either, unless you have a rich friend who gave you his old system for free after buying his new 3080ti.

Why you chose the xbox lol?
I know that the new xbox is more powerful than the ps5.
Also pc games are cheaper and you can do things other than gaming with it like multitasking, work, etc

Also personally I hate playing fps games with a controller. It really sucks.

 

[Zizo007]

How about at least trying to make a minimal effort at an honest argument? Have you seen the specs of the next generation consoles?

5700XT - 40 RDNA compute cores @ 1755Mhz - 9.75 TFLOPS
1600AF - Ryzen 1 arch, 6 core 12 thread @ 3.4Ghz all core


Xbox Series X
Graphics - 52 RDNA2 compute cores @ 1825Mhz - 12 TFLOPS
CPU - Ryzen 2 arch, 8 core 16 thread @ 3.8Ghz (3.6Ghz w/SMT)

Even ignoring that consoles are built with the singular purpose of gaming and are able to get far closer to their theoretical performance potential without being saddled by Windows or any other junk; just on specs alone, the next XBox is going to crush a 5700XT with 1600AF. The PS5 has slightly lower specs than the Xbox, but they still exceed any gaming card that AMD has ever sold to date. We're probably looking at something in the RTX 2080 performance circle.

Unless your name is Nintendo, on day one you're selling your console at a loss despite much better parts pricing than regular consumers can get. There is no way, even used you're building a complete gaming PC for $600 comparable to the new consoles. And there is pretty much zero chance you'll be able to in 6 months either, unless you have a rich friend who gave you his old system for free after buying his new 3080ti.

You can't even overclock a console:

https://imgur.com/a/BwqbNTC

View: https://imgur.com/a/BwqbNTC

 

[spongiemaster]

You can't even overclock a console:

https://imgur.com/a/BwqbNTC

View: https://imgur.com/a/BwqbNTC

If you know how numbers work, the specs you just posted for the PS5 are still well beyond the capabilities of a 5700XT with 1600 AF. Like I said in my previous post yet you conveniently ignored, the PS5 is still faster than anything AMD has every released for a PC.

 

[Zizo007]

If you know how numbers work, the specs you just posted for the PS5 are still well beyond the capabilities of a 5700XT with 1600 AF. Like I said in my previous post yet you conveniently ignored, the PS5 is still faster than anything AMD has every released for a PC.

Are you serious or joking lol?
A 3.5Ghz 8 core??

What about a 3800X@4.5Ghz? 😂

 

[Zizo007]

If you know how numbers work, the specs you just posted for the PS5 are still well beyond the capabilities of a 5700XT with 1600 AF. Like I said in my previous post yet you conveniently ignored, the PS5 is still faster than anything AMD has every released for a PC.

Youtube has videos of Ryzen 3800X@4.5Ghz gaming benchmarks, 4.4Ghz is minimum and guaranteed:

View: https://youtu.be/Dy0Y9D8LMtI

 

[spongiemaster]

The PS5 has slightly lower specs than the Xbox, but they still exceed any gaming card that AMD has ever sold to date.

Come back when you learn to read. You're just wasting people's time.

 

[Zizo007]

Come back when you learn to read. You're just wasting people's time.

Come back with legit facts like the video I posted. Go play your slow unreleased ps5 while I enjoy my overclocked 2080 Ti true 4K Ultra graphics (I was already enjoying that years ago) 😂

 

[ranyunsu]

Lol i knew all the Nvidia fan boys would come out in force just because its all Amd inside, i have a feeling there is a reason why Nvidia didnt announce any new video card i think its probably because they know the consoles are going to blow them outta the water with what they had planned so back to the drawing board, anyone that doesnt see that the consoles are gonna dominate is in denial, its about the fast storage more than the fast video card, both are probably using some form of Amd radeon SSG, there is no way the pc can compete for now because pc games have to support the slowest machines (lowest common denomination) while the consoles do not have this limitation, im strictly a pc gamer but i can see the truth thats right infront of my eyes because im not a fan boy in denial.

 

[Zizo007]

Lol i knew all the Nvidia fan boys would come out in force just because its all Amd inside, i have a feeling there is a reason why Nvidia didnt announce any new video card i think its probably because they know the consoles are going to blow them outta the water with what they had planned so back to the drawing board, anyone that doesnt see that the consoles are gonna dominate is in denial, its about the fast storage more than the fast video card, both are probably using some form of Amd radeon SSG, there is no way the pc can compete for now because pc games have to support the slowest machines (lowest common denomination) while the consoles do not have this limitation, im strictly a pc gamer but i can see the truth thats right infront of my eyes because im not a fan boy in denial.

I am with who is the fastest most of the time. My previous GPU was an RX580. RX280X before that. Consoles will always compete with midrange PCs like an earlier user said.

 

[Zizo007]

Lol i knew all the Nvidia fan boys would come out in force just because its all Amd inside, i have a feeling there is a reason why Nvidia didnt announce any new video card i think its probably because they know the consoles are going to blow them outta the water with what they had planned so back to the drawing board, anyone that doesnt see that the consoles are gonna dominate is in denial, its about the fast storage more than the fast video card, both are probably using some form of Amd radeon SSG, there is no way the pc can compete for now because pc games have to support the slowest machines (lowest common denomination) while the consoles do not have this limitation, im strictly a pc gamer but i can see the truth thats right infront of my eyes because im not a fan boy in denial.

I mean cosole manufacturers are not stupid to give you the performance of a 2000-3000$ PC for 600$. Its not logic.
And SSD performance is meaningless above SATA6Gbps speeds as seen in NVMe vs SATA SSDs reviews. In gaming at least.

 

[ranyunsu]

I am with who is the fastest most of the time. My previous GPU was an RX580. RX280X before that. Consoles will always compete with midrange PCs like an earlier user said.

why do you think they cripple cheaper video cards with bandwidth limitations like slower memory, slimmer bus width, etc. its because bandwidth makes all the difference in the world sure the 2080ti might have more brute force but its limited the the system bandwidth, the consoles will have by far the best graphic capabilities because of the system bandwidth, you should look up Radeon SSG it is capable of streaming 8k assets because the ssd is right on the video card, i think there are videos comparing it directly to 2080ti on the web and its like a turtle vs rabbit the 2080ti is probably a bit more powerful but it will never be able to stream 8k assets because of bandwidth limitations, mark my words the consoles will bring us true next gen graphics.

 

[ranyunsu]

I mean cosole manufacturers are not stupid to give you the performance of a 2000-3000$ PC for 600$. Its not logic.
And SSD performance is meaningless above SATA6Gbps speeds as seen in NVMe vs SATA SSDs reviews. In gaming at least.

geez are you that naive? sony and mirosoft care nothing about 3000 dollar pcs they want it all and have nothing to lose if you dont buy that 3000 dollar pc, they would rather you to save 2500 and buy a 500 dollar console that has prettier graphics so they can sell you games and AMD could care less because they are in both. like i said Nvidia didnt announce any video cards for a reason, if they dont come out with something that crushes everything they will lose that best of best image. im not a amd or nvidia fanboy im a pc enthusiast but i gotta admit the consoles have us beat for now atleast.

 

[ranyunsu]

and about you nvme vs ssd test you just made my point for me, the reason why a nvme didnt blow away the sata is because system bus limitations, take that ssd stick it right on the video card and test it again and by the way on the amd ssg the nvme on the video card can be used as system memory too so now you see where were headed, cant talk reason to people that are in denial most likely caus fanboyism

 

[ranyunsu]

as long as sony or microsoft or both bring out proper mouse and keyboard support kiss my 2000 plus dollar pc goodbye but alteast it wont be totally worthless i can still surf the web on it lol.

 

[Zizo007]

as long as sony or microsoft or both bring out proper mouse and keyboard support kiss my 2000 plus dollar pc goodbye but alteast it wont be totally worthless i can still surf the web on it lol.

Are you serious or joking lol?
Consoles were never faster than pcs during their whole lifetime.
How do you know the ps5 gpu bandwidth if it wasn't even revealed, you just assume? Well assuming its 10Tflops means it will have LESS bandwidth than any highend pc gpu. My oced 2080Ti has over 16Tflops and over 700gbps bandwidth. Who said it can't run 8K assets? It can already play at 8K resolution.
Even if your theory is true then that means RDNA2 on pc will have this feature as well and it will be released before the ps5.

btw This is a pc forum, there's plenty of console forums, you know.

 

[Zizo007]

as long as sony or microsoft or both bring out proper mouse and keyboard support kiss my 2000 plus dollar pc goodbye but alteast it wont be totally worthless i can still surf the web on it lol.

Also console games are made with a PC, not a console. The code is then just converted. Can't you see the reality that PCs will always be faster than consoles?

 

[ranyunsu]

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Are you serious or joking lol?
Consoles were never faster than pcs during their whole lifetime.
How do you know the ps5 gpu bandwidth if it wasn't even revealed, you just assume? Well assuming its 10Tflops means it will have LESS bandwidth than any highend pc gpu. My oced 2080Ti has over 16Tflops and over 700gbps bandwidth. Who said it can't run 8K assets? It can already play at 8K resolution.
Even if your theory is true then that means RDNA2 on pc will have this feature as well and it will be released before the ps5.

btw This is a pc forum, there's plenty of console forums, you know.

you must not have ready my post fanboyisms must have blinded you, i said the 2080ti yes indeed is probably more powerful and it wasnt gpu power i was talking about it was memory bandwidth in particular the ssd, the consoles are built and optimized to run on pcie gen 4 ssd speed and they cannot optimze games on pc to run only on gen 4 pcie ssd becasue most people are still using gen 3, im a pc gamer/enthusiast but i can recognize new technology when i see it, people blind like you dont understand why Mark Cerny is emphasizing the storage so much but you will when you see the console blows your pc out of the water! yes the brute force of the pc will eventually pass up the consoles but it might take years, i hope you feel like a jackass when you find youself in line waiting to buy a ps4/xbox lol, me ill be surfing the web on my gaming pc and gaming on a ps4/xbox and i could care less im just happy better technology is coming and you should be too but fanboyism has you in a foolish pride.

 

[Zizo007]

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you must not have ready my post fanboyisms must have blinded you, i said the 2080ti yes indeed is probably more powerful and it wasnt gpu power i was talking about it was memory bandwidth in particular the ssd, the consoles are built and optimized to run on pcie gen 4 ssd speed and they cannot optimze games on pc to run only on gen 4 pcie ssd becasue most people are still using gen 3, im a pc gamer/enthusiast but i can recognize new technology when i see it, people blind like you dont understand why Mark Cerny is emphasizing the storage so much but you will when you see the console blows your pc out of the water! yes the brute force of the pc will eventually pass up the consoles but it might take years, i hope you feel like a jackass when you find youself in line waiting to buy a ps4/xbox lol, me ill be surfing the web on my gaming pc and gaming on a ps4/xbox and i could care less im just happy better technology is coming and you should be too but fanboyism has you in a foolish pride.

You still did not read my post lol?
What does an SSD have to do woth FPS lol?
You never read an NVMe vs SATA ssd review? I will save you time and tell you that it makes 0 fps difference. Even loading time aren't much faster. Now what else will you invent? See who's the fanboy now?

 

[ranyunsu]

and if you dont think the storage will make all the difference in the world why dont you try removing your ssd and replacing it with a spinning disk hard drive! lol