AMD Radeon HD 6870 And 6850: Is Barts A Step Forward?

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Your Civ 5 benchmark is throwing everything out. Why is the 460 beating the 470, not to mention the huge gap in favour of the Nvidia cards but only while zoomed in (which incidentally should favour the 470 a lot more due to faster tesselation).

Please get rid of this benchmark already, it is obviously flawed.
 
[citation][nom]cangelini[/nom]We actually discussed Crysis, but I'm honestly really damn tired of Crysis.[/citation]
I'm sorry, but instead of testing games which average 100 fps on any half-decent card I would much rather have Crysis in there. It still stresses graphics cards a lot, and to me it's still the best looking game.
 
We wish you a merry christmas!
We wish you a merry christmas!
A MERRY, MERRY Christmas!!!
And a happy new year!

Price war is here! Woohoo!!!

Big, BIG THANK YOU for the Civ5 and CrossfireX benchmarks!

Haven't had much time to read on it lately but, will those ridiculously low minimum framerates on CrossfireX ever get a driver fix or is it a hardware issue?
 
[citation][nom]eyefinity[/nom]Your Civ 5 benchmark is throwing everything out. Why is the 460 beating the 470, not to mention the huge gap in favour of the Nvidia cards but only while zoomed in (which incidentally should favour the 470 a lot more due to faster tesselation).Please get rid of this benchmark already, it is obviously flawed.[/citation]

Isn't Civ5 a TWIMTBP title? ... should explain why it favors Nvidia cards (caveat: not always true, though). But to your merit, I do not have an explanation for why the 460 beats the 470.
 
[citation][nom]jestersage[/nom]Isn't Civ5 a TWIMTBP title? ... should explain why it favors Nvidia cards (caveat: not always true, though). But to your merit, I do not have an explanation for why the 460 beats the 470.[/citation]

Anandtech said they can't figure out what's going on with Civ 5 either. It's practically still in beta as well.
 
Hi, on page two there's a paragraph ending in:

"...AMD counters that geometry is actually better-addressed through its single unit is actually much more efficient."

Is something missing or is it just me having a hard time reading this?
 
It appears more of a refresh and the new generation name comes from the slight archeticture change and new features added. I wonder if TSCM didn't cancel the 322m half node would there have be more to this release. At least its forcing prices down so I guess the consumer wins overall. Im waiting Nvidias refresh now or next generation. Hopefully it will add even more performance in the mid rage price area and temp me into buying (HD4870 still doing very well). Unless ATI do something about their folding drivers it still looks like Nvidia will be my next GPU upgrade.
 
Thanks for what I would call a very fair and ballanced review.
I think this launch involved more spin than I have ever seen out of nVidia. Coming in a pretty good bit ahead of the spin they put out for the 5xxx series, but you guys handled it profesionally. It's why I read Toms!

Thanks again.
 
lol ppl are funny, at least ATI fanboy ... they talkshit about nvidia who rebrand card over and over .. ya its #@$@$ but AMD did the same thing and its ok for AMD but not for NV? lolol misleading name .. wow in term of marketing, its a blast, everyone will jum on a brand NEW HD6870 ...thinkin that they got the best card out there, like always, when a company launch a new high end card in a new serie. but now the ''normal'' name is not true. ppl will buy a so called high end card who can even touch the last generation ... marketing ya .. but a fail from AMD on this one .. and no, im not a Nv fan boy ... i got a HD5870 m in my laptop and a 5770CF in my desktop so ...
 
Nvidia 4xx is series is too good, and this is AMD/ATI failure. It looks like they are running out of ideas and those features 6000 series offer are pretty useless from gamer point of view not to mention their utter crap drivers.
 
[citation][nom]HTDuro[/nom]lol ppl are funny, at least ATI fanboy ... they talkshit about nvidia who rebrand card over and over .. ya its #@$@$ but AMD did the same thing and its ok for AMD but not for NV? lolol misleading name .. wow in term of marketing, its a blast, everyone will jum on a brand NEW HD6870 ...thinkin that they got the best card out there, like always, when a company launch a new high end card in a new serie. but now the ''normal'' name is not true. ppl will buy a so called high end card who can even touch the last generation ... marketing ya .. but a fail from AMD on this one .. and no, im not a Nv fan boy ... i got a HD5870 m in my laptop and a 5770CF in my desktop so ...[/citation]

Whatever you're smoking I want some.

nVidia rebranded the same card over and over because they kept re-releasing the same card with a new name. These new AMD cards ARE actually different cards. Definitely not the same thing nVidia did. AMD needs to take a 5770, not change it, and call it a 6870 to do the same thing nVidia did.
 
Yeaah Crysis has been phased out in several of the recent comparisons and charts this month! Oh well, Crysis 2 will still be awhile and I hope it has the same demanding type of benchmarks because it was a "reach" at the time to have a system with a good gpu and cpu that could handle crysis at various settings, now we will have to wait and deal with mediocre game settings. TO me crysis was a good game but a great benchmark!

ANyway back to the topic at hand, the Radeon 6850 and 6870 with the new AMD brand will surely weaken its overall face since the 5850 and 5870 were so popular and were aplty released, this might fool many casual gamers and buyers and cause a backlash! I guess they should have released and named these cards the 6770 and 6750(barts) variants instead and later released the other higher end 28nm chips as the 850's and the 870's! then then possibly the 890 and 895's!!!
 
[citation][nom]lradunovic77[/nom]Nvidia 4xx is series is too good, and this is AMD/ATI failure. It looks like they are running out of ideas and those features 6000 series offer are pretty useless from gamer point of view not to mention their utter crap drivers.[/citation]

I guess you didn't even see the graphs (disregarding the cherry picked "averaged" conclusion). HD6800 spank its GTX counterparts well and doing so with 50% smaller chips. Future driver improvements will widen the gap even further.
 
i'm interested to see if scaling in crossfire is going to be good with these cards.. from what i've seen, it looks like ati/amd did a great job with these cards! now it's wait and see for the upcoming cayman cards! i'm sure they're going to be super fast, but i still hope their pricing won't be so :/
 
af comparisson image is done with driver before 9.8 set. After 9.8 set AF is a disaster on 5xxx series, half of the tunnel is just shades of grey. You can try it your self using d3d AF tester (set pattern to -2 to get the same tunnel as in those images). Simply put - AF quality is ruined by drivers and it's a disaster.
 
6870 is a sensational card at that price, with a bit of overclocking and a price of 220 $ this card can become the best Ati/AMD card in history. like the great 9800pro or x1950pro
 
[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]You never disappoint, sir. Truly, I can always trust you to spin anything and everything into an AMD-hating article, scrum. No matter how positive for AMD it might be, you can rustle up a conspiracy.[/citation]

Likewise. And which of us has more thumbs up again? I just say what others won't dare.
 
Ugh. Again with the "where's Crysis?" complaints.

I agree with Chris -- I'm so sick of Crysis. First, the game is just not that good. Second, Crytek's CryEngine2 for was not optimized properly when Crysis was released. There's a reason why Crysis Warhead runs so much better, even though it's essentially the same game. It almost seems like Crytek was aiming to make a GPU backbreaker and then realized, after seeing so many PC gamers struggle to actually play it, they should have probably done a better job optimizing the graphics engine and lowering the max settings requirements. If Crytek hadn't misfired the first time, then the system requirements/performance for Warhead would have been the same or higher than Crysis -- not lower.
 
Hmm you know from a marekting stand point releasing 2 mainstream cards under a new series and higher number (6870 vs 6770) make sense as the holidays approach, esp when there are a good amount of people who will jsut see the 6870/50 number and jump on it expecting it to be a new high end card. Dibs to AMD on this... tough it is sneaky lol

Either way the price/performance/temp/power usage makes these cards fantastic. Was about to order a 460 but think i will change to a 6850 instead (price/OC/size/Power).

+1 to AMD for bringing me back!
 
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