AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series OEM Models Revealed

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this is just my thoughts on a rebrand, its easier to tell where your performance lies.

say you have the 5000 cards, the 6000 and the 7000, and you had all those numbers out at the same time. what are all the rebrands, for someone not in the know, its hard to tell whats the best, so instead of makeing it hard, just move the number to 7000 and rank it where its preformance lies.

we know its a rebrand, others may not, but they better know where their card stands in the grand scheme of things.
 
id' imagine that none of these rebrands are DX 11.1 Not that it matters if you don't have a highend GPU you can't a take advantage of true DX 11 without it choking your GPU.
 


Except that when Nvidia do it it's evil and ripping of the customer, why is it so brilliant when AMD do it?
 
[citation][nom]mousemonkey[/nom]Except that when Nvidia do it it's evil and ripping of the customer, why is it so brilliant when AMD do it?[/citation]

Well said there, now that AMD does it, its considered revolutionary!
 
I know, I have both. :)[citation][nom]monsta[/nom]Well said there, now that AMD does it, its considered revolutionary![/citation]

AMD is now King of the Hill, so you will bow down and worship it! :)
 
[citation][nom]bawchicawawa[/nom]"it has a different bios, thats something different......it possibly even has a slightly different pcb, different stepping chips, support different hdmi/display port standards. Just because it has the same core GPU doesnt make it exactly the same."Exactly +1[/citation]
plus if AMD's employees waste their time on the Low-end stuff they'll have less time for the high end,
But they could've at least shrinked the die to 28nm
 
correct me if im wrong, but dx 10 and 11, if you are processing the exact same information as a dx9 game, as in not trying to push the graphics harder, the dx10 and dx 11 renders it better?

i remember a game a while ago that could get 30 fps on dx10 but could manage 45 on 11, not pushing graphics any harder, jsut more advanced methods to do things were introduced and made the game run better.

i say this FAR to often, but i dont want graphics pushed any further than they already are, because its pointless to do so.

until full world tessellation is possible on a mid range card, and i dont mean the "these bricks now pop out" joke we are currently getting, i mean the whole worlds models are effected by it, from characters, trees, leaves, land, rocks, grass, fences, water, wheels EVERYTHING.

until that point, i don't want games to push graphics, i want them to focus on the mid range cards, not building the games around a high end card or even around a multi gpu solution. i want them to make the games look great on a mid range card, take skyrim as an example, build it for a mid range card, and give the people with high end cards the sliders to increase the lod distance, and density of the foliage.

i do believe this is the best way to make a game, because it would at the very least give 30fps games at high details to mid range, and it would allow the higher end cards to push the game at higher frame rates.

i personally dont like when dx 11 is implemented in a "enhance the graphics" kind of way, because its always half assed. and i am always left wondering why its so bad.

take tessellation as an example. im in the beta for blacklight retribution, and their is one level where tessellation is really used i believe, but its implementation is retarded, it doesn't effect the whole world, i have the game set more or less to max at 1920x1080 windowed with reduced shadow detail, and in dx11 mode i have no slow down, but if i turn tessellation on, in this one level, i thought it would be about a 30-40% hit on speed, im already getting 50-60fps, and i can deal with a game at 30fps, and wanted to see what tessellation did, i don't believe that its attached to everything in the world, tessellation didn't balance the pollies like i thought it would, making things close in higher detail, and further away in lesser, what it did was just added pollied to the brick on the ground, and took a 60fps ish game down to the sub 20, and i believe sub 10 fps range, i didn't have fraps up.

what im saying is that until the implementation of things like tessellation are done right, and can be handled by a mid range card, i dont even want them to bother. till than, give us the dx11 rendering benefits.
 
they don't really get cheaper, they get rebranded so that they can be sold for a higher price than what they are currently achieving, else they wouldn't do it.

Marketing shouts "Check our brand new 7000 series"

Silly buyer spies 7000 series gpu 'upgrade' on OEM website, thinks he's done well.
 
You have invested a given amount of money into a design, and therefore have to move a given number of units. First at a high price for the enthusiasts, than lower for mainstream, even lower for bargain hunters and than, if the numbers are not there... you pull out your re-branding and OEM tricks.
Not necessarily a bad or shady thing; but of course you hurt your sales on new designes by pushing the bargain basement to a potential customer.
 
The cards are designed specifically for OEM vendors only and are tailored toward the low-end and mid-range market.
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Care to explain just how this is a dick move when clearly the article states these are for "OEM vendors only". Surely you all know OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer, as in Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba, Acer etc... . This move wont affect the retail sector of their cards from what the article says, only prebuilt cookie cutter computers from the companies I just listed. You and I and others who know what we're doing will still be able to buy true 7xxx parts, and not re-branded 6 series cards. Every card does it. I remember the original Radeon cards when they were released, I had a Radeon 64MB ViVo card, which later was re-branded the Radeon 7200. nVidia and ATi/AMD have been doing this re-branding stuff for at least a decade or longer. Heck Intel even does this with their cup's.

This is nothing new it's a fairly common business practice, that includes not just electronics but also every corner of the consumer product industry. Even peoples precious bottled water comes from municipal water sources...aka regular tap water. I haven't upgraded my computer in years, I'm still running an nVidia 7600GT with an AMD Athlon x2 4000. Soon will upgrade to more modern, and up to date gear, but I know enough to differentiate between OEM and Retail cards.

I am neither an AMD or nVidia fanboy, I have used both of them, and cards by 3Dfx, S3, and 3Dlabs over the last 17yrs.
 
[citation][nom]bluekoala[/nom]No, I meant a 7970 may evolve into the following:8870977010, 67011, 570and then 12, 470And yes I'm sure I can find a GTX 470 in 5 years from now if I bother looking for one. Heck, it took me 2 seconds to find a Voodoo 3:http://www.amazon.com/3dfx-Voodoo3 [...] B00000JDKU[/citation]

Used ones
 
I don't have an issue with rebranding.... it seems to make purchasing decisions slightly less confusing to people who have absolutely no clue what they're doing... and people who do, aren't affected. At worst, just slightly irritated trying to remember what was rebraned to what, when making certain comparisons. For example, the whole 8800GT to 9800GT, to GTS 240 got a little confusing when the name changed to the GTS 240 IMHO... but, was good for idiots, I mean the general public, since the GTS 240 name fit in much smoother with the name branding on Nvidia's newer cards.

This all said... it's a little disappointing not to see die shrinks on the low end. TSMC 28nm yields bad?
 
So I've been following and waiting...
4870 = 5770 = 6770
So what will be the 7000 Series equivellent?
I believe the 7670 is NOT as fast as the 6770 cause this article states it has the same specs as the 6670. But I'm very certain the 7970 and 7950 are faster than the 6770...

So I'm sure there are some yet unannounced middle of the road GPU models in the works.
 
[citation][nom]aznshinobi[/nom]They may be repackaging hardware but it's sad to know that Nvidia still has no answer for it. Even if they are repackaging the older lower end, Nvidia has no answer. Which if you think about it, it's great logic from the standpoint of a company. That's more R&D money you have to spend, why spend on a lower end that Nvidia can't compete with. Afterall, it has been about 2 gens that AMD has basically been dominating lower end and Nvidia still hasn't shown they can catch up at the cheaper cards. The latest attempt (550 Ti) failed since the 6790 costs less but performs much better.[/citation]


NVIDIA's mobile GPUs would like to have a word with you. Though I agree AMD is slightly ahead of NVIDIA in the desktop market, they currently lag waaaaay behind in the laptop market in these areas: power management and driver support. I would also argue they don't have much of an answer in the high-mid market to the GTX560.
 
[citation][nom]msgun98[/nom]NVIDIA's mobile GPUs would like to have a word with you. Though I agree AMD is slightly ahead of NVIDIA in the desktop market, they currently lag waaaaay behind in the laptop market in these areas: power management and driver support. I would also argue they don't have much of an answer in the high-mid market to the GTX560.[/citation]
? The 6870 is cheaper and performs on par, if you mean the ti version, the 6950 1gb.........
 


The GTS240 was a 40nm card with 96 cores IIRC and so was not a renamed 8800GT or 9800GT, it was however a replacement for the 9600GT.
 
Well there's nvidia fans, amd fans, and then the largest group being the "best bang for the buck" fans. AMD's probably more compelling right now to that 3rd group, but neither AMD or nVidia has anything significant to pull members from their rivals' camps. Nvidia can sit on their laurels another 1-2 months and get things right.

Right I'm shopping around for a non-gaming laptop powerful enough to log into sw:tor and que up crafting or something... Intel's HD4000 is looking pretty sweet, and I only have to wait until April or something, right?
 
I'm with those who don't really see this as a big deal. And I'm not just siding with AMD, same holds true for Nvidia. Heck, car manufactures do it all the time too. They put different rims on a car, give it 2 additional colors to choose from, then call it the next model year and charge a premium.

Besides, this article is mostly a moot point for a majority of us. These GPUs are going in OEM PC's that will be bought by large companies for people doing data entry. I mean c'mon, how many shader units, ROPs, TMUs, or ABC&XYZ units do you need to run Office 2007 products? There isn't much room for advancing in a PC that is targeted for web and email users. Heck, my old Geforce 6800GT is overkill for what this is being marketed to.

Let the innovation and advancement continue in the mid-upper range for those of us who build or at least spec out our machines and will actually use the latest benefits for what we do.
 
[citation][nom]target3[/nom]AMD > NVIDIA[/citation]Should be this
AMD = nVidia

Now that AMD pulled the same crap nVidia has been doing for a while now.
 
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