Memnarchon :
God dammit AMD and Nvidia. Lower your prices. Can't believe that after 1,5 years both companies can't provide better price/performance cards than the $140 GTX460 Hawk edition or the $159 6870...
Memnarchon :
[citation][nom]spentshells[/nom]I pad 159 no rebates for my 7850 1GB and got 3 free games, sleeping dogs, bioshock Infinite and the new tomb raider. I would say that competes nicely with the cards and prices you stated.[/citation]
Can you provide me a link for $159 7850?
Also, free games are nice but can't give you performance. If you manage to sell them and get sum of your money back its ok. But wouldn't it be great if the pricerange of 68xx were replaced by 78xx? Since there were supposed to be their replacement.
And to be honest I don't want to pay extra $ for something that in the previous generation I payed for far less. Same goes for Nvidia and especially for Titan. 2nd tier GF110 (GTX570) $330, 2nd tier GK110 (Titan something) Nvidia says MSRP $899.
I don't think that there are a lot of people that they don't think that this generation is overpriced...
That GTX 460 launched at $240 according to several sources I found in a Google search with nothing saying otherwise. The Radeon 7790 is at least as fast as it on average, if not faster, and is launching at $150. Also, although free games do not add performance, they most certainly add value too. That's a big improvement going from launch price to launch price between these two cards.
Radeon 7850 pricing has been fluctuating a lot. I've seen them as cheap as $150. I don't see any far below $180 (at least before MIR) right now, but that can change quite quickly.
No, this generation is not overpriced except for the GK110 cards, at least not by too much. AMD's pricing is great overall for the Radeon 7750 and above and Nvidia's isn't too much worse, again, except for their GK110 cards. A great example is how the GTX 580 used to have a price ranging from the mid $400s to the upper $500s, yet the GTX 670, a much faster gaming card, can be found as cheap as the lower to upper $300s.
That's a big improvement. Next, we can look at the Cayman cards. The Radeon 7850 2GB, which is now faster than the Radeon 6970, can be found cheaper than even the Radeon 6950 1GB was when it was similarly old. There's a similar situation going on with the GTX 570 being beaten in performance by the GTX 660 even more than the 6970 is beaten by the 7850 and the 660 can be found around the GTX 560 Ti's price range.
If your complaint has to do with the comparable card and/or GPU model numbers being in higher price brackets than the previous generation, then you're complaining for no good reason other than to complain. Neither Nvidia nor AMD have kept to any such cross-generation coherent naming system in a long time now, if ever. You can refuse to accept that price for performance and other value has greatly improved if you want to, but that's refusing to accept something that should be obviously true.
I'll even give examples (tl;dr warning for anyone whom doesn't care). Let's compare Radeon 4000, Radeon 5000, Radeon 6000, and Radeon 7000 for the the last four Ati/AMD generations.
Radeon 4000's 48xx cards were the top cards of their generation. There were no Radeon 49xx cards and the dual GPU cards of the generation just put an X2 after the model number of the card that there were two of mashed together in a single card. Radeon 5000's 57xx cards had more or less comparable performance to the 48xx cards, the 58xx cards have a huge improvement over them, and the 5970 was now a dual-GPU card that was nowhere near the performance of the two top single GPU cards in Crossfire.
Radeon 67xx and below were pretty much just copies of the previous generation cards, sometimes with a few minor differences, but still the same architecture and such. Radeon 68xx was slightly
inferior to the Radeon 58xx cards overall and Radeon 69xx now had three single GPU cards and one dual GPU card. The top single GPU card had an otherwise identical model number to the dual GPU Radeon 5970 which also had better performance and the dual-GPU Radeon 6990, like the Radeon 48xxX2 cards, was pretty much just two of the top single GPU cards of its generation mashed into one card instead of a nerfed version like the 5970.
Then we have Radeon 7000, which with current drivers, has it's Radeon 76xx cards and below basically, yet again, copies of the previous generation's cards, granted Radeon 77xx was new. The first of the 77xx cards, the 7750, performed similarly to the 5770/6770 whereas the second and last one, the 7770, was comparable to the 6850. The 78xx cards has their first model, the 7850, performing similarly, but now somewhat better than, the 6970 and the second, the 7870, performing similarly to the dual-GPU 5970.
Then we have a new version of the 7870 (which should have been called the 7930 IMO) which is a cut-down 7950 and the 7950 also now has two versions, both of which exceed the 5970, as does the new 7870 based on the 7950, granted they each do so to varying amounts. The new 7870 and the first version of the 7950 are more or less comparable to the unofficial 6870X2 that uses the same naming scheme as the dual-GPU Radeon 48xx cards while the new version of the 7950 performs right between those other three cards and the first version of the 7970. Then there's the two 7970 versions which are more comparable to the 6990.
I can make a similar comparison for Nvidia's last few generations too. There is not any total coherency in Ati/AMD naming schemes nor in Nvidia naming schemes across generations and I see no reason for anyone to complain about current price/performance just because Nvidia or AMD didn't maintain any such coherency between this generation and the previous generation that you wanted them to.
Nvidia and AMD both managed to make GPUs smaller than Cayman (especially Nvidia in the case of GK104) that got somewhere around the previous generation dual-GPU cards in performance. Nvidia's GTX 680 and GTX 670 are only a little below the GTX 590 on average and the Radeon 7970 is a little below the Radeon 6990 with the Radeon 7970 GHz Edition being closer to it, maybe a little faster.
Crap yields seemed to have plagued AMD and especially Nvidia for quite a while, so that they didn't make huge GPUs in the main gaming lines, especially since they managed adequate performance gains anyway, shouldn't come as a surprise. That the GTX 670, for example, nearly doubled the price/performance of the GTX 580 (comparing launch prices between them) seems like a very good improvement to me.
Again, Nvidia's GK110 cards are really all that is truly overpriced this generation and even then, again, that is likely not without at least some reason due to the yield issues and besides, Titan has other price-intensive things going for it such as a whole 6GB of GDDR5 memory. That's not important for gaming, at least not nowadays, but it still has to be factored into the price.
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