Review AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Review: The Lateral Pass

[AgentBirdnest]

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they say you can now on gsync monitors?

ô__ô ! Holy pluck, I didn't know that!
... I don't think it'd work on my monitor, though. From my understanding, it looks like only newer G-sync monitors made since 2020 or maybe mid-2019 support Freesync. But I bought mine (Acer Predator XB271HU) in January 2019. I'll search a little more, just to be sure...

In any case - thanks so much for letting me know, and for the link! Much preesh. : )

 

[Amdlova]

Jarred is not bias, he's literally paid to promote NVIDIA. Talking to him is like feeding the troll honestly.

When someone tell the truth is a troll? People don't want to see. Thank God intel is making graphics!

 

[Amdlova]

At least in my country today the prices are quite far from the US prices:
7700XT is 515€ (only 1 seller)
6800XT from 570€
7800XT is 600€ (only 1 seller)

So I'll wait a week or two, but most probably I'll get a 6700XT for ~320€... after all, it's just about gaming...

I Have one undervolt it, put +15% in power overclock the ram and you have a 6750XT...

And you will have the starfield premium... my computer givers 45 50 fps on 1080p ultra now playing on high 2560x1080 50 55 fps.

 

[Geef]

I'm really looking forward to the 7800 XT I ordered. Think of going from 5700 XT to 7800 XT. Serious performance change.

Also, did anyone else notice the large differences in GPU Base and GPU Boost on different cards?

The ASrock 7800 XT I ordered has these stats.

• Core Clock 2254 MHz
• Boost Clock 2565 MHz

The XFX Speedster I just looked up shows:

• Core Clock 1624 MHz
• Boost Clock 2565 MHz

A lot of others have lower Core and Boost clocks.

 

[Colif]

I hope that we do end up with Intel and nvidia only on top, because we will be back into intel cpus costing over 1k if they have more than 4 cores and the cheapest nvidia gpu will also cost 1k.

But hey, lets keep ignoring what these two do when they are on top and keep giving them money.

Its funny that people think Intel will save them... I agree with your message lol.

if we had only intel and Nvidia, it would make userbenchmarks job harder as they couldn't just say the AMD choice is worse. They would actualy have to give valid reasons.... nah, who am I kidding, they just make up reasons anyway

We need more than 3 companies before we actually have competition

 

[Hotrod2go]

I'm really looking forward to the 7800 XT I ordered. Think of going from 5700 XT to 7800 XT. Serious performance change.

Also, did anyone else notice the large differences in GPU Base and GPU Boost on different cards?

The ASrock 7800 XT I ordered has these stats.

• Core Clock 2254 MHz
• Boost Clock 2565 MHz

The XFX Speedster I just looked up shows:

• Core Clock 1624 MHz
• Boost Clock 2565 MHz

A lot of others have lower Core and Boost clocks.

It will be interesting if these figures transfer into real world gaming experiences. Keep us all updated?

 

[Geef]

It will be interesting if these figures transfer into real world gaming experiences. Keep us all updated?

Definitely. I've already Pre-Installed a ton of mega graphics games like Horizon Zero Dawn and FF VII Remake. Otherwise you'd probably only get an update about the game I play the most, Stellaris. 😉

 

[Deleted member 2950210]

Lastly, in case that you havent noticed, blindly pushing for nvidia has us in the current mess of way overpriced gpus, plus a very dangerous precedence in pushing proprietary lock-in tech like dlss that its killing the openness of the pc gaming platform.

The current pricing trend in GPUs, has nothing to do with blindly pushing for Nvidia: that's on the miners. They 're the ones who trashed the market to where it is now.

They had their cake and now they can eat it.

I dont know when or where we consumers changed, but we used to demand more, instead of less and thats what we are getting by demanding support only for dlss.

Unlike many, i am willing to sacrifice top notch “features” which limit my options for “good enough” features that works for the greater good.

It's hard to convince someone that we, consumers, should demand more, when you yourself admit you 're willing to disregard Nvidia's top notch features and clear technological superiority, in favor of knowingly supporting inferior products.

Since when has settling-for-less become a wise consumer behavior?

The very perception that your attitude works for the greater good, is even worse: it's just companies, competing with each other and users trying to buy the best bang for their buck, as a fellow forum member correctly pointed out.

In the past 24 years that i've been into gaming, 2023 is probably the first year in my life that i was able to afford a high-end card, so i chose 4090.

Unfortunately, I can't recall many situations where I was looking to upgrade and ATI/AMD had the better card.

Certainly isn't true today. I'd have loved to have paired my i9-13900K with an AMD GPU... but nothing they have comes close to the 4090. I'm just all about brute performance.

Choosing AMD, despite their inferior GPUs, and with the sheer purpose of giving them another shot at the GPU market, could help them balance the scales, but could just as likely have the exact opposite effect: why in God's name would they ever try to improve their products and compete with Nvidia for the top spot, if PC users are already buying their GPUs for what they are?

Back in 2011, i more than gladly paid close to 300€ for an MSI Radeon HD 6950, flashed its BIOS into a 6970 and, to this day, i'm proud to say it's one of the best purchaces i've ever made.

If AMD really wants to see my money ever again, they better start making more powerful high-end GPUs than Nvidia.

Until that day, i'll be staying away from them. I'm not in the business of "donating" my money to tech giants, just to help them catch up with their rivals.

 

[KyaraM]

I seriously don't think that the 4060Ti is the card to compare the 7800XT against. That is firmly the 4070 which, where I live, costs about 50-60€ more (roughly 539€ for the 7800XT vs 595€ for the 4070, but also pretty big overlap in pricing), also, they have very similar performance with RT, power consumption and feature set (soon to level out somewhat) in favor of Nvidia, rasterizing in favor of AMD. The 4060Ti 16GB can be had for about 460€, almost 80€ less than the 7800XT; which makes it closer in pricing to the 4070. Some more comparison with the 4070 would have been far truer that this weird obsession with the 4060Ti. That one should be compared to the 7700XT.

 

[Colif]

I wouldn't compare either to the 4060 TI as it only wins against the 7700XT in some RT titles, most of the time the 4060 TI is fighting with the 6700xt. AMD were right to show 4070 on charts for the 7800XT

 

[Elusive Ruse]

I seriously don't think that the 4060Ti is the card to compare the 7800XT against. That is firmly the 4070 which, where I live, costs about 50-60€ more (roughly 539€ for the 7800XT vs 595€ for the 4070, but also pretty big overlap in pricing), also, they have very similar performance with RT, power consumption and feature set (soon to level out somewhat) in favor of Nvidia, rasterizing in favor of AMD. The 4060Ti 16GB can be had for about 460€, almost 80€ less than the 7800XT; which makes it closer in pricing to the 4070. Some more comparison with the 4070 would have been far truer that this weird obsession with the 4060Ti. That one should be compared to the 7700XT.

Where I live the 4070 is €610 at minimum and 4060 Ti lowest deal I can find is €500. It's safe to say that for tje overwhelming majority of cases the 7800 XT is similarly priced to 4060Ti.

 

[maclinemathew]

No offence,
No Doubt, 7800 XT would be the best

 

[Molly2k]

the card is totally fine for its performances/ratios, but the prices had to be down more reasonably for now. Interesting card indeed.

 

[LoordOfTauCeti]

I agree. According to TechPowerUp's relative performance chart, the RX 7800 XT is only 3% faster than the RX 6800 XT at 1080p/1440p and only 4% faster at 4K!

That's a slap in the face to consumers. It's no wonder that AMD tried to delay the launch as long as possible. They hoped that the RX 6000 stock would be done and people would have no choice but to buy this garbage. Well, that hasn't happened and I hope that NOBODY buys this card, or it's uglier sister, the RX 7700 XT. This launch is as bad as the launch of the RTX 4060 because that card also lost sometimes to the card it succeeded.

It's so ridiculous.
Only performances and price should matter, the name doesn't change anything.
In the current market this card is good.
It didn't lose anything, the launch price is way less expensive that 6800 xt, less power consumption and few things are added like av1

 

[salgado18]

It's hard to convince someone that we, consumers, should demand more, when you yourself admit you 're willing to disregard Nvidia's top notch features and clear technological superiority, in favor of knowingly supporting inferior products.

Since when has settling-for-less become a wise consumer behavior?

The very perception that your attitude works for the greater good, is even worse: it's just companies, competing with each other and users trying to buy the best bang for their buck, as a fellow forum member correctly pointed out.

In the past 24 years that i've been into gaming, 2023 is probably the first year in my life that i was able to afford a high-end card, so i chose 4090.

Unfortunately, I can't recall many situations where I was looking to upgrade and ATI/AMD had the better card.

Certainly isn't true today. I'd have loved to have paired my i9-13900K with an AMD GPU... but nothing they have comes close to the 4090. I'm just all about brute performance.

Choosing AMD, despite their inferior GPUs, and with the sheer purpose of giving them another chance at the GPU market, could help them balance the scales, but could just as likely have the exact opposite effect: why in God's name would they ever try to improve their products and compete with Nvidia for the top spot, if PC users are already buying their GPUs for what they are?

Back in 2011, i more than gladly paid close to 300€ for an MSI Radeon HD 6950, flashed its BIOS into a 6970 and, to this day, i'm proud to say it's one of the best purchaces i've ever made.

If AMD really wants to see my money ever again, they better start making more powerful high-end GPUs than Nvidia.

Until that day, i'll be staying away from them. I'm not in the business of "donating" my money to tech giants, just to help them catch up with their rivals.

Your argument is invalid basically because you left out the "price" factor. AMD GPUs are inferior today, but they price them accordingly. Considering rasterization performance, Radeons are cheaper (sometimes a lot cheaper) than equivalent Nvidias, and that's how they sell.

The RX 6700 XT with 12GB sells for the price of an RTX 4060 8GB. The first is a lot faster in rasterization, the second is a lot faster in RT. I myself chose a 1440p-capable card, with more VRAM, for some future-proofing, over new techs like ray-tracing and AI. Am I happy? No, I wanted it all, but to have it all I'd have to jump to an RTX 4060 ti with 16GB, but that is much more than what I can afford.

Nvidia is the complete package, yes, but they charge accordingly. AMD is inferior, but is still good, and is priced accordingly. Do I want both with the same features and prices to see a healthier competition, like the Radeon HD 7970 being faster than the Geforce GTX 580? Yes I do, but that will only happen if Radeons sell, and both us and AMD know that.

I really, really hope AMD catches up in RT at least with their next gen. Geforces are not actually good right know (128 bit bus for 16GB of memory on a slow card? And for an extra $100?), but AMD is worse so they can get away with it. Keep buying your Geforces if you have the money, I don't so I'll get myself Radeons, although I'm tired of this logic.

 

[Deleted member 2950210]

AMD GPUs are inferior today, but they price them accordingly.

True, but how exactly is that supposed to satisfy me?

All i care about, is maximum performance. 4090, flat out demolishes 4K Ultra RT, while not even breaking a sweat and that is exactly why I bought it.

I left out the price thing, 'cause, when it comes to high-end GPUs, it can be quite the misleading factor.

What good is a cheap GPU, when it's insufficient for my gaming needs?

How can a low price make up for the loss of precious performance?

I've been burnt before and i just don't care about money anymore.

I'm not a rich guy (far from it, actually!), i just try to be efficient... no matter how much money is involved. Spend a little more now and save a little more later is my mindset... no matter if it's €1700 or €17.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Well it’s official, 7800XT supply in the US sold out completely on the first day. That is a lot of cards given the high volume of supply AMD released to AIB’s. Retailers are calling the 7800XT the best selling card of 2023. The market has spoken.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

True, but how exactly is that supposed to satisfy me?

All i care about, is maximum performance. 4090, flat out demolishes 4K Ultra RT, while not even breaking a sweat and that is exactly why I bought it.

I left out the price thing, 'cause, when it comes to high-end GPUs, it can be quite the misleading factor.

What good is a cheap GPU, when it's insufficient for my gaming needs?

How can a low price make up for the loss of precious performance?

I've been burnt before and i just don't care about money anymore.

I'm not a rich guy (far from it, actually!), i just try to be efficient... no matter how much money is involved. Spend a little more now and save a little more later is my mindset... no matter if it's €1700 or €17.

Gaming wants, not needs….and your justification is comical at best, to the likes of “Let them eat cake”. You are telling people to not worry about the price and buy an Aston Martin cause it’s so much faster than a Ford lol. Rationalization at its best.

 

[salgado18]

True, but how exactly is that supposed to satisfy me?

All i care about, is maximum performance. 4090, flat out demolishes 4K Ultra RT, while not even breaking a sweat and that is exactly why I bought it.

I left out the price thing, 'cause, when it comes to high-end GPUs, it can be quite the misleading factor.

What good is a cheap GPU, when it's insufficient for my gaming needs?

How can a low price make up for the loss of precious performance?

I've been burnt before and i just don't care about money anymore.

I'm not a rich guy (far from it, actually!), i just try to be efficient... no matter how much money is involved. Spend a little more now and save a little more later is my mindset... no matter if it's €1700 or €17.

You? It won't. You want maximum performance for any price, the top card is the only one that matters and it can cost anything. For everyone else it will always be price/performance, even if it's not that obvious. Buyers of RX 7900 XTX and RTX 4080 are already buying thinking in terms of benefit per money spent, because if they didn't, they would buy the 4090.

 

[Deleted member 2950210]

Gaming wants, not needs….and your justification is comical at best, to the likes of “Let them eat cake”. You are telling people to not worry about the price and buy an Aston Martin cause it’s so much faster than a Ford lol. Rationalization at its best.

First of all, i'm Greek, so i hope you'll be able to forgive my terrible English.

Second: you 're comparing the price gap between a Ford and an Aston Martin to the one between (let's say) the high-end GPUs of this generation - 7900 XTX and 4090.

But my justification is comical???

Jesus!

 

[NeoMorpheus]

The current pricing trend in GPUs, has nothing to do with blindly pushing for Nvidia: that's on the miners. They 're the ones who trashed the market to where it is now.

They had their cake and now they can eat it.





It's hard to convince someone that we, consumers, should demand more, when you yourself admit you 're willing to disregard Nvidia's top notch features and clear technological superiority, in favor of knowingly supporting inferior products.

Since when has settling-for-less become a wise consumer behavior?

The very perception that your attitude works for the greater good, is even worse: it's just companies, competing with each other and users trying to buy the best bang for their buck, as a fellow forum member correctly pointed out.

In the past 24 years that i've been into gaming, 2023 is probably the first year in my life that i was able to afford a high-end card, so i chose 4090.

Unfortunately, I can't recall many situations where I was looking to upgrade and ATI/AMD had the better card.

Certainly isn't true today. I'd have loved to have paired my i9-13900K with an AMD GPU... but nothing they have comes close to the 4090. I'm just all about brute performance.

Choosing AMD, despite their inferior GPUs, and with the sheer purpose of giving them another shot at the GPU market, could help them balance the scales, but could just as likely have the exact opposite effect: why in God's name would they ever try to improve their products and compete with Nvidia for the top spot, if PC users are already buying their GPUs for what they are?

Back in 2011, i more than gladly paid close to 300€ for an MSI Radeon HD 6950, flashed its BIOS into a 6970 and, to this day, i'm proud to say it's one of the best purchaces i've ever made.

If AMD really wants to see my money ever again, they better start making more powerful high-end GPUs than Nvidia.

Until that day, i'll be staying away from them. I'm not in the business of "donating" my money to tech giants, just to help them catch up with their rivals.

Wont bother with every single point, because quite frankly, your sample reeks of ignorance and selfishness.

That said and as the other perosn replied (and you ignored) you did leave the price part out and worse, exaggerated, because the way that you went on and on, someone would really think that everything done by AMD is absolute garbage and should be avoided, which is completely false.

Oh you got a 4090 and completely demolish everything at 4K? nah, not entirely true and you know it, but lets just drop it here, because as stated by the other person, "reasons" will be made to push the agenda.

 

[Deleted member 2950210]

That said and as the other person replied (and you ignored) you did leave the price part out and worse, exaggerated, because the way that you went on and on, someone would really think that everything done by AMD is absolute garbage and should be avoided, which is completely false.

Actually, i'm pretty sure i adequately explained why i left the price part out.

Of course not everything AMD does is garbage.

For example, their Ryzen 9 CPU line, has been nothing sort of magnificent!

Processors like Ryzen 7950X3D and 7800X3D, are absolute beasts in gaming!

I just wish they could allocate some of their millions of dollars to better GPU research. That, in turn, would give us more competitive high-end graphics cards.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

I just realized that, to my surprise.

Spoken like a die-hard AMD promoter.

I am literally paid to review GPUs, in the context of the whole graphics market. Nvidia doesn't pay me a dime, and in fact Nvidia doesn't even advertise with my employer. (I'm not sure Nvidia really advertises with anyone — they have a strong enough brand that they don't feel the need to buy ads on most tech sites.)

Take the blinders off. People don't buy Nvidia over AMD because they're just too stupid to realize AMD is better. They do it because there are real reasons to pick Nvidia over AMD, especially right now.

The RX 7000-series practically doesn't even show up on the Steam Hardware Survey. The 7900 XTX has 0.23% share. The RTX 4090 has 0.85% share. RTX 4080 has 0.58%, 4070 Ti is at 0.91%, 4070 at 0.72%, 4060 Ti at 0.38%, and RTX 4060 is at 0.23% — that's a card that just showed up this month, already matching AMD's "best" in terms of share. Of course, we don't know why the 7900 XT and 7600 aren't on the survey yet.

Even if we take all RX 6000-series cards, that still only accounts for 2.95% of all surveyed GPUs on Steam. Nvidia's RTX 40-series has already surpassed AMD's RX 6000-series gaming market share, and now sits at 5.66% of GPUs in the Steam survey. Everyone that bought one of those 40-series GPUs must be dumb, right? Because only you and oofdragon and your ilk could possibly know what's important when it comes to picking a graphics card.

 

[Sleepy_Hollowed]

OK, this is a good card to upgrade, for the price.

I'm going to temper my expectations on PC now and continue on 1080p for like forever I guess, since I refuse to use the upscaling tech at all, I want my frames a bit more predictable.

 

[NeoMorpheus]

Spoken like a die-hard AMD promoter.

I am literally paid to review GPUs, in the context of the whole graphics market. Nvidia doesn't pay me a dime, and in fact Nvidia doesn't even advertise with my employer. (I'm not sure Nvidia really advertises with anyone — they have a strong enough brand that they don't feel the need to buy ads on most tech sites.)

Take the blinders off. People don't buy Nvidia over AMD because they're just too stupid to realize AMD is better. They do it because there are real reasons to pick Nvidia over AMD, especially right now.

The RX 7000-series practically doesn't even show up on the Steam Hardware Survey. The 7900 XTX has 0.23% share. The RTX 4090 has 0.85% share. RTX 4080 has 0.58%, 4070 Ti is at 0.91%, 4070 at 0.72%, 4060 Ti at 0.38%, and RTX 4060 is at 0.23% — that's a card that just showed up this month, already matching AMD's "best" in terms of share. Of course, we don't know why the 7900 XT and 7600 aren't on the survey yet.

Even if we take all RX 6000-series cards, that still only accounts for 2.95% of all surveyed GPUs on Steam. Nvidia's RTX 40-series has already surpassed AMD's RX 6000-series gaming market share, and now sits at 5.66% of GPUs in the Steam survey. Everyone that bought one of those 40-series GPUs must be dumb, right? Because only you and oofdragon and your ilk could possibly know what's important when it comes to picking a graphics card.

My oh my, now we are straight up reducing this to personal attacks.

Sadly, I cannot and will not do the same for obvious reasons.

But you do you and I will be happy with my inferior AMD gpu and clear conscience.