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you don't have to discontinue something that is never in stock!!! :) seems the 4gb 480 cards are just teasers and very few are made by anyone.

at $200 the 470 is priced well if the 4gb 480 cards are never really offered anywhere. if they start to show up in shops, then the 470 is very poorly priced. just depends on how the 4gb 480 ends up being made or not made.
 
But isn't AMD just giving the GPUs to the partners and then they decide on what version to make, anyway?

Also, that 8GB disguised as 4GB was the ultimate form of stupidity... They did it before, IIRC, but I never would have guessed they would've do it again. In any case, if they clock the 4GB past the 8GB speeds, I'm 100% sure the 4GB will be the better buy *period*. The RX480 seems to be a bit constrained in the VRAM speed department. Anyone has noticed anything in the reviews around that? I just want to know if I'm more crazy or just mildly.

Cheers!
 


just my thinking. if most people end up getting the 8GB version (the price difference is not that big anyway) AMD probably have no reason to continue making them. this is not how it was in the past where 290X 8GB was significantly more expensive than the 4GB version.
 


not really. there is still guide line that board partner must follow. for example the difference between HD4870 and HD4850 is the former are using GDDR5 and the later are using GDDR3. Palit equip their 4850 with GDDR5 (technically turning the card into 4870 but sold at 4850 price) causing AMD to drop Palit from their board partner list.
 


Working in Corporate America maybe has changed me a bit but I need to say this comment is ridiculous. They did it for a marketing reason and in reality other than enthusiasts not many people are the wiser. They advertised EVERYWHERE that they would be selling a $200 4GB card on release day, imagine the uproar had they released it and no $200 price leader card available but heres an 8gb one for 50 bucks more. There was a supplier shortage, they put enough of these "4gb" cards out in the wild to satisfy folks that they did exist, and lucky for them it didn't turn into 2 media disasters (with the power issue being the main one).

It wasn't stupid at all, it was smart marketing to piss off as few customers as possible.
 
if AMD was "smart" they should be able to avoid making such move. if they can't get 4GB card out on the release date they should just be honest about it instead of having to give that 4GB for "free". it is not good for AMD and their board partner business wise. especially when you consider AMD having a hard time to keep their earnings in the black.
 
The only unwise thing AMD does with this release, IMO, is the availability. nVidia could afford doing this with the 1080 becasue there was no competition. The stock shortage was what made me go for nVidia and I don't think I'm alone. Would be interesting to see how many customers AMD lost becasue of this.
 


The only thing though is probably the worst thing possible
Ive always been one of amd's staunchest supporters.
This time though seriously though its been nothing short of shambolic ( cant think of a stronger word to describe it without resorting to swearing)
Back in the day when I was building 20 odd systems a week I would pick the best options available (90% of the time this was amd gpu's)
If I was in the same position now (Im not because I only do a few select private builds for people) I could not see me using an amd card at all unless it was a dirt cheap 4gb 380 which are readily available in the uk, or a gtx 970 which are readily available for under the 200uk pound mark.

I sometimes wonder if amd is actually managed by a bunch of chimps,becase while I have literally no man management skills I honestly think I could do a better job sometimes.

Pushing the release date they did on the polaris gpu's was a woeful mistake if they couldnt keep up with production,nvidia managed to bring the 1060 forward by nearly a month & third party stock is readily avaialable.

Amd should have looked after xfx,powercolor & sapphire when it came to supply because theyre virtually amd partner groups seeing as their sole purpose is manufacturing aib amd gpu's.(obviously barring xfx's foray into the psu market)

What was frustration a couple of weeks ago regarding stock of the 480's has turned to anger since then in all honesty.

You can currently buy a nvidia gtx 970 for under 200 pounds in the uk,you can actually get a reference 8g 480 for 229.99.

the cheapest rx470 is currently 217.99. ( & these are actually availble to buy easily at the moment)

At that price they are not going to sell & dont deserve to,the pricepoint is completely & utterly wrong.
 


Yep...exactly. If you look at the 470 page, you'll see 480 prices.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20601206485&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=90

If there were actually 4gb 480s available at the $200 msrp....ALL this pricing mess would HAVE to fall in line.

I have a sneaking suspicion that we'll never see a custom cooled 480 at $200...only ref cards with loud crap blowers that run too hot for much ocing and 6 pin power with profiles that bork ocing as well. Pretty sure thats the whole purpose of the 'ref cards only' launch...bait. This also helps 'justify' charging $200 for custom 470s. Nvidia played it straight with the 1060...no crap ref cards...clear and true msrp on a card thats actually available.
 


No, it is not a ridiculous remark. AMD is just adding insult to injury by doing that stupid conversion (however they play it). If you look at it from the cost perspective, that makes the OEMs *lose* projected money on each 4GB card sold. What kind of incentive is that for 3rd parties to actually *make* such a card? Is AMD paying for the "lost profit" on each sold?

Even from a marketing point of view, the best *deal* AMD currently has in its portfolio is nowhere to be found. And you have it two fold. Like I said, it leaves no incentive for 3rd parties to make such a card and second, yield issues might as well push the 470 instead of the 480 to the 200+ price point in the eyes of the 3rd parties.

AMD is just lucky nVidia is keeping the 1060 where it currently is. If they lower the price just a bit to $230 MSRP, then the 480 (and 470) lose their value proposition to consumers.

I am using all my willpower to *wait* for a Nitro+ card in 4GB flavor, because it still is the better deal, but if they price gouge it, I'll have to get a decent 1060 for ~$270 instead or bite the bullet with a Nitro+ 8GB for the same price, which is not the better purchase.

Cheers!

EDIT: For what it's worth, here is a bit of positive news around RX480s: http://techreport.com/news/30482/report-amd-shipping-100k-more-polaris-10-gpus-to-board-partners
 
Just looked...the Egg has 4gb 470 Nitro in stock...for $210 ofc.

At $200 I mighta said ok...why not, I'm tired of waiting. But since we've been discussing what a screw story this 470/480 launch is...it's now more about principle...lol

I'm fairly sure the 470 Nitro will end up at $180...eventually. Don't think TT would bs us in the first sentence..

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7820/sapphire-nitro-radeon-rx-470-4gb-silent-1080p-60fps-gaming/index.html

Even at $180 I'll still be asking the big question...will there be a stock clocked custom cooled 480 at $200? If I knew there will be for sure, I'd be ok to keep on waiting another week or two.

My problem is my wife snatched my 7770 cuz her card died and she does a lot of graphic intensive work (rendering and stuff) so I'm stuck with my trusty 8 year old 4850 w/512mb. Oced to within an inch of its life and on low settings, most AAA games are unplayable...except Diablo 3 on medium...lol

Edit: Just read this Sapphire press release on TT...looks like the Nitro at $179 is bs. Press rel says starting at $209.

http://www.tweaktown.com/pressrelease/10756/sapphire-nitro-radeon-rx-470-takes-sweet-spot-price-performance/index.html

Figures...
 


the rumors milling about say that the RX480 4GB was really just a paper launch proxy for the whole VR for $200. this makes some sense, after all, the price of RAM is not that high to make the price jump make sense.
 
If AMD does pull a stunt like that, they'll get roasted by the enthusiast and reviewer community...not that it matters to them. Always preferred AMD over Nvidia in general but def not a full on fan boy but now I kinda wish Nvidia could drop the 1060 to $229 and clean house...lol
 
"the rumors milling about say that the RX480 4GB was really just a paper launch proxy for the whole VR for $200. this makes some sense, after all, the price of RAM is not that high to make the price jump make sense."

Just realized...it's approaching 6 weeks since the 480 launched and still only sprinkling of 480s to be found. Just checked the egg...plenty of 470 availability...and Nvidia didn't have much trouble with the aib partners getting the 1060s out. I think you may be on to something. Dunno if its AMD, the distros or who...but this is starting to smell.

The only other thing I can think of is maybe the pcie power issue and fix was deeper than just a driver tweak...who knows...(someone does...lol)

edit...production/yield issues maybe...

Just found this tidbit...
'He then relayed the news, apparently straight from the horse's mouth, that AMD is shipping over 100,000 Radeon RX 480 GPUs to board vendors.'

http://techreport.com/news/30482/report-amd-shipping-100k-more-polaris-10-gpus-to-board-partners
 
there are speculation that most polaris full fat 10 chips probably go to apple. i still remember when they say Tonga exist mostly to satisfy apple need. could be the same with polaris 10. probably why AMD did not make Polaris 10 chip any bigger. for apple the most important point still power efficiency and not so much about killer performance.
 
Also, isn't Polaris 10 going into the new SOC for the Playstation 4 Neo? But clocked @ 911MHz instead to save on power consumption and heat emissions?

In which case there is a lot of demand for that... be it cut down versions for the RX 470 or full fat ones for the RX 480 or PS4 Neo!
 
it will be based on polaris architecture but they won't exactly put polaris 10 chip there. the chip inside those console are custom designed. so for whatever it is the console contract will not going to affect RX480/470 availability. but AMD contract with Apple will.
 
yah the console chips are apu's. they have cpu and gpu together just like desktop apu's. only it's more specialized.

so won't have any effect on polaris 10 supplies as they are totally different designs with different supply chains to follow
 


I hope those aren't real, a 50%+ drop-off in performance for 1/3rd less money than the 470 is not a good price/performance proposition. With the performance of the 480 and 470, I was expecting the 460 to be in the ballpark between the 950 and 960 (closer to the 960). Not barely beating the R7 260X and just under the 750ti...
 


Well specs wise the RX460 is less than half the cores of the RX 470.... so that kinda fits tbh. I'm surprised it's not ahead of the 750ti though... guess we'll find out. The thing is though we don't actually know the pricing... if those performance figures are accurate then one thing we can be sure of is it will be cheap (it's a very small gpu after all).

Edit: looked over the numbers again- the RX460 is ahead of the 750ti in everything *except doom in Vulkan mode* which is... strange? I wonder if it's down to using Vulkan in a 2gb card, or possibly a specific setting that is stalling it out. Strikes me as odd that AMD are getting pasted in their strongest benchmark with this card? Pre release drivers maybe?
 
And remember the RX460 is not being marketed *at all* to get even near the RX470 nor RX480. I just hope reviewers, when they get a card to test with, remember the card is aimed at CS:GO, LoL, DOTA2 and other "MLG" games 😛

In fact, it would be *very* interesting to know where the "top of the crop" GPUs stand with those titles and how they scale up.

Cheers!
 
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