AMD RX 400 series (Polaris) MegaThread! FAQ & Resources

[Zaxx420]

One RX 460 on Newegg, sold out, priced at $170! Oh come on.

You have *GOT* to be kidding! Lol!
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Although, with so much price gouging that has been happening with this gen so far... :-/

After taking a look at 460 prices at newegg...and the 470 and the 480...I've come the conclusion that amd msrps are now meaningless unless its referring to a 480 ref board with a crap cooler (kills ocs) and has a 6 pin (also kills ocs) runs too hot imo AND is totally unavailable unless you wanna take it up the butt at $350.

Imo...there is not and WILL NOT BE any $110 460s, $179 470s or $199 4gb 480s nor $239 8gb 480s.

Pardon my rant but AMD justs ballsd up what would have been an epic launch...but since theres no competition they are taking to opportunity bullshit their customers and bait (aka screw) them outta more money lest they get a 1060 which almost don't exist at their msrp either. MSRP is the 'suggested' price...I get it, but in the past its been fairly reliable, now it's being used to bait the buyer. I could almost overlook no 480 at $199 only IF they'd have stayed true on the rest. I know they can't force aib partners pricing but they know damn well what they'll be able to afford to sell them at and still make a buck.

Like I said...they completely hosed what coulda been a launch to remember esp with no competing cards from Nvidia to worry about. I'm sure they'll still make bank...but they coulda done it without screwing with their very customers who don't have much to spend in the first place! We'll remember it alright... /rant ...

and I hope I'm wrong and by next week there will be $199 480s for all!! (and $179 470s too!)

 

[turkey3_scratch]

seems to me that the 460 replaces the 750ti as the "power saving budget card" and that's about it. this assumes the price is actually as low as amd says it should be (remains to be seen since no other releases are at MSRP). true the 750ti is dropping in price but it would have to get to $75 or so to be viable to me.

other than that, for now, there are better performing cards for a little bit more money if you got the case space and psu to run it.

$75 is way too low. The card seems to perform maybe 25% better than a 750Ti. A 750Ti is $95 for a cheap Zotac one or $110 for a good EVGA one. The RX 460 I got for $120 gives it a little edge over the 750Ti in terms of price/performance.

Looking back at the RX 460 review, in non-DX12 games the 950 seems to be around 25% better than the RX460, giving it some better price/performance. In DX12 games, the RX 460 beats the GTX 950. I'd say the GTX 950 is probably the better buy, but it gets to a point where you can't always just hop to the next card, because pretty soon your wallet goes empty :lol:

 

[TechyInAZ]

seems to me that the 460 replaces the 750ti as the "power saving budget card" and that's about it. this assumes the price is actually as low as amd says it should be (remains to be seen since no other releases are at MSRP). true the 750ti is dropping in price but it would have to get to $75 or so to be viable to me.

other than that, for now, there are better performing cards for a little bit more money if you got the case space and psu to run it.

$75 is way too low. The card seems to perform maybe 25% better than a 750Ti. A 750Ti is $95 for a cheap Zotac one or $110 for a good EVGA one. The RX 460 I got for $120 gives it a little edge over the 750Ti in terms of price/performance.

Looking back at the RX 460 review, in non-DX12 games the 950 seems to be around 25% better than the RX460, giving it some better price/performance. In DX12 games, the RX 460 beats the GTX 950. I'd say the GTX 950 is probably the better buy, but it gets to a point where you can't always just hop to the next card, because pretty soon your wallet goes empty :lol:

The GTX 750 TI is still a beastly card for it's age. I'm shocked that the RX 460 is so close to the GTX 750 ti in the majority of benchmarks.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

seems to me that the 460 replaces the 750ti as the "power saving budget card" and that's about it. this assumes the price is actually as low as amd says it should be (remains to be seen since no other releases are at MSRP). true the 750ti is dropping in price but it would have to get to $75 or so to be viable to me.

other than that, for now, there are better performing cards for a little bit more money if you got the case space and psu to run it.

$75 is way too low. The card seems to perform maybe 25% better than a 750Ti. A 750Ti is $95 for a cheap Zotac one or $110 for a good EVGA one. The RX 460 I got for $120 gives it a little edge over the 750Ti in terms of price/performance.

Looking back at the RX 460 review, in non-DX12 games the 950 seems to be around 25% better than the RX460, giving it some better price/performance. In DX12 games, the RX 460 beats the GTX 950. I'd say the GTX 950 is probably the better buy, but it gets to a point where you can't always just hop to the next card, because pretty soon your wallet goes empty :lol:

The GTX 750 TI is still a beastly card for it's age. I'm shocked that the RX 460 is so close to the GTX 750 ti in the majority of benchmarks.

It seems sort of right to me. 750Ti, while older, is still just last-gen Maxwell. The 750Ti always competed with the R7 270. Now we have the 460, which is undoubtedly a very low end card, which beats the 750Ti by 20%.

The 750Ti is a good card though. It really did satisfy my needs when I had it. 2560x1440 AC Black Flag, medium-high settings, worked like a champ.

We're definitely on more of a 2-year scale. It seems to take 2 years now for a new GPU arch to come out from both sides. I'd expect whatever comes after Polaris to arrive in 2018, not 2017. Vega is due for 2017 and while it's a new arch it's still "filling in" the missing RX 490 card.

 

[Masoner]

Can you actually buy a RX480 now? Newegg is sold out of them all and I don't see anywhere at all to buy one. Is it cause they were just released or?

 

[Martell1977]

After taking a look at 460 prices at newegg...and the 470 and the 480...I've come the conclusion that amd msrps are now meaningless unless its referring to a 480 ref board with a crap cooler (kills ocs) and has a 6 pin (also kills ocs) runs too hot imo AND is totally unavailable unless you wanna take it up the butt at $350.

Imo...there is not and WILL NOT BE any $110 460s, $179 470s or $199 4gb 480s nor $239 8gb 480s.

Pardon my rant but AMD justs ballsd up what would have been an epic launch...but since theres no competition they are taking to opportunity bullshit their customers and bait (aka screw) them outta more money lest they get a 1060 which almost don't exist at their msrp either. MSRP is the 'suggested' price...I get it, but in the past its been fairly reliable, now it's being used to bait the buyer. I could almost overlook no 480 at $199 only IF they'd have stayed true on the rest. I know they can't force aib partners pricing but they know damn well what they'll be able to afford to sell them at and still make a buck.

Like I said...they completely hosed what coulda been a launch to remember esp with no competing cards from Nvidia to worry about. I'm sure they'll still make bank...but they coulda done it without screwing with their very customers who don't have much to spend in the first place! We'll remember it alright... /rant ...

and I hope I'm wrong and by next week there will be $199 480s for all!! (and $179 470s too!)

Right now there is a lot of price gouging going on due to supply and demand. There is high demand, which AMD was counting on, but very low supply. Vendors are taking advantage of this, those that can't or don't want to wait will have to pay the early adopters tax.

Prices will normalize when supply becomes abundant, but I doubt they will even get all the way down to the MSRP unless nVidia undercuts them.

At least AMD released a reference 480 and didn't try to gouge their customers by changing the name...like nVidia did. That is the grossest abuse of consumers I've seen in a while. At least with Apple, it's expected.

 

[-Fran-]

and I hope I'm wrong and by next week there will be $199 480s for all!! (and $179 470s too!)

Well, you are wrong on one end. AMD's fault ends when giving the GPUs to the 3rd parties. The current street price is because AMD (and nVidia, it seems) can't satisfy demand for the RX480 and 1060, so the prices are being adjusted to demand given limited offer. Once people stop buying them so eagerly, prices will go back to MSRP. This happens in most major launches. Think Intel's Skylake. The i7 6700K was beyond $400 for a good 2 months? Look at nVidia's 1070s and 1080s.

What you can blame AMD for, indirectly at least, is not being able to provide enough GPUs and some key strategic decisions on how to position their cards in the market (for instance, the horrible reference design and 4/8 GB debacle).

Cheers!

 

[TJ Hooker]

Also, regarding price gouging, unless I'm mistaken AMD (and Nvidia) don't actually see any of the increased margins from high sale prices. It's just retailers (maybe board partners?) that are setting high prices due to demand, and reaping all the benefits.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Also, regarding price gouging, unless I'm mistaken AMD (and Nvidia) don't actually see any of the increased margins from high sale prices. It's just retailers (maybe board partners?) that are setting high prices due to demand, and reaping all the benefits.

Correct, AMD is still selling the cards or chips at an agreed upon price to XFX, Sapphire, etc. And those guys in turn are selling the completed cards at an agreed upon price to Best Buy, Microcenter, or third party distributors who are then passing them on to the little guys, etc. The only people making a big extra profit from the inflated price RX 480, GTX 1060, etc is the shop slapping $400 on a $240 card that in many cases some sucker is paying.

 

[Masoner]

Also, regarding price gouging, unless I'm mistaken AMD (and Nvidia) don't actually see any of the increased margins from high sale prices. It's just retailers (maybe board partners?) that are setting high prices due to demand, and reaping all the benefits.

Correct, AMD is still selling the cards or chips at an agreed upon price to XFX, Sapphire, etc. And those guys in turn are selling the completed cards at an agreed upon price to Best Buy, Microcenter, or third party distributors who are then passing them on to the little guys, etc. The only people making a big extra profit from the inflated price RX 480, GTX 1060, etc is the shop slapping $400 on a $240 card that in many cases some sucker is paying.

But how long till us little people can buy the card we want/need for the legit price they should be?

 

[TehPenguin]

Spoiler

After taking a look at 460 prices at newegg...and the 470 and the 480...I've come the conclusion that amd msrps are now meaningless unless its referring to a 480 ref board with a crap cooler (kills ocs) and has a 6 pin (also kills ocs) runs too hot imo AND is totally unavailable unless you wanna take it up the butt at $350.

Imo...there is not and WILL NOT BE any $110 460s, $179 470s or $199 4gb 480s nor $239 8gb 480s.

Pardon my rant but AMD justs ballsd up what would have been an epic launch...but since theres no competition they are taking to opportunity bullshit their customers and bait (aka screw) them outta more money lest they get a 1060 which almost don't exist at their msrp either. MSRP is the 'suggested' price...I get it, but in the past its been fairly reliable, now it's being used to bait the buyer. I could almost overlook no 480 at $199 only IF they'd have stayed true on the rest. I know they can't force aib partners pricing but they know damn well what they'll be able to afford to sell them at and still make a buck.

Like I said...they completely hosed what coulda been a launch to remember esp with no competing cards from Nvidia to worry about. I'm sure they'll still make bank...but they coulda done it without screwing with their very customers who don't have much to spend in the first place! We'll remember it alright... /rant ...

and I hope I'm wrong and by next week there will be $199 480s for all!! (and $179 470s too!)

Right now there is a lot of price gouging going on due to supply and demand. There is high demand, which AMD was counting on, but very low supply. Vendors are taking advantage of this, those that can't or don't want to wait will have to pay the early adopters tax.

Spoiler

Prices will normalize when supply becomes abundant, but I doubt they will even get all the way down to the MSRP unless nVidia undercuts them.

At least AMD released a reference 480 and did try to gouge their customers by changing the name...like nVidia did. That is the grossest abuse of consumers I've seen in a while. At least with Apple, it's expected.

I have found both the 4GB Nitro 480 and the Palit Dual 1060 at MSRP. Cancelled the Nitro because the preorder turned out to be a waiting game with no stock but the 1060 arrived today. €279, which seems to be right for EU.

Of course you can pay the "tax" and get it from any vendor but IMO just wait and scan a few sites 'till you find one at the MSRP level. That's what I did and it worked out fine. For all EU user I recommend geizhals.eu

 

[Zaxx420]

Don't look now but atm newegg has ref Powercolor 8gb 480s back in stock at msrp....will be gone quick tho.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Don't look now but atm newegg has ref Powercolor 8gb 480s back in stock at msrp....will be gone quick tho.

*Zaxx240 tries to buy card*
*realizes he just told the whole world about it and is out of sale*

 

[Zaxx420]

lol...naaa...my budget is too tight. $200 is my limit...may end up settling for a Nitro 470...tired of waiting. Would never go for a ref card anyways...coolers are crap.

 

[Sakkura]

I have trouble figuring out where it lands in terms of performance, so the conclusion of the Toms review stated in DX11 slightly below or at an R7 270, and in DX12 between a 270 and 270x. For the $110 these are supposed to go for, that's not a good deal. A 750Ti can be had for $95 on Newegg and is way more efficient. An R7 370 can get quite cheap. So if it was actually sold at $110 it still is only a very tiny increase in price/performance over the R7 370.

Considering the 270 is ahead of the 370 which is ahead of the 265 which is ahead of the 750 Ti, I think it's completely reasonable to pay an extra $15. And that's if you look just at DX11 performance. Then there's Doom where the 460 breaks 60 FPS while the 750 Ti is only clearing 30 FPS.

Even in Project Cars, which is basically Nvidia's counterpart to Ashes of the Singularity, the 460 is noticeably ahead of the 750 Ti.

So with the official price, the 460 crushes the price/performance ratio of the 750 Ti. And considering the performance difference, it's probably about as efficient.

 

[TMTOWTSAC]

In this tier of cards, it's just a tiny number of fps that separates "unplayable" from "playable" vs "enjoyable." The 460 puts more games into the "playable" category than any other card for the price point. That is, if the actual price matches msrp.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

In this tier of cards, it's just a tiny number of fps that separates "unplayable" from "playable" vs "enjoyable." The 460 puts more games into the "playable" category than any other card for the price point. That is, if the actual price matches msrp.

RX 460 availability and pricing has been pretty decent aside form Sapphire.

Powercolor $110: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131695&cm_re=amd_rx_460-_-14-131-695-_-Product

 

[Ags1]

I guess everyone was waiting for the 14nm cards, so there is no way AMD or NVidia can produce them fast enough. But I'm not buying at these prices.

 

[Math Geek]

nope i said a long time ago it was best to wait a couple months for things to even out. all the power to folks paying the high prices now but i am personally waiting until at least oct/nov before buying so stock can even out and prices can get to where they are supposed to be.

the prices some are paying is borderline stupid, or has even crossed that line in many cases. kudos if you got one at msrp but it seems most of the new buyers are not paying the suggested prices.

 

[Zaxx420]

In this tier of cards, it's just a tiny number of fps that separates "unplayable" from "playable" vs "enjoyable." The 460 puts more games into the "playable" category than any other card for the price point. That is, if the actual price matches msrp.

RX 460 availability and pricing has been pretty decent aside form Sapphire.

Powercolor $110: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131695&cm_re=amd_rx_460-_-14-131-695-_-Product

The Sapphire at $140 is a 4GB card...pretty reasonable. Haven't checked out 2gb vs 4gb 460s but I'm guessing there might be a sizable performance hit with 2GB given the 460's performance envelope. I'm sure someone here has investigated by now and will chime in.

@Math Geek....Months? Please don't say that...us $200 limit folks are a fragile people. Won't take much to break us and send us running to the 470 for a timely fix vs that 480 we've been oogling for the last 6 freakin' weeks. 😛

 

[Sakkura]

In this tier of cards, it's just a tiny number of fps that separates "unplayable" from "playable" vs "enjoyable." The 460 puts more games into the "playable" category than any other card for the price point. That is, if the actual price matches msrp.

RX 460 availability and pricing has been pretty decent aside form Sapphire.

Powercolor $110: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131695&cm_re=amd_rx_460-_-14-131-695-_-Product

The Sapphire at $140 is a 4GB card...pretty reasonable. Haven't checked out 2gb vs 4gb 460s but I'm guessing there might be a sizable performance hit with 2GB given the 460's performance envelope. I'm sure someone here has investigated by now and will chime in.

Given that it's in the same tier as the 270, 2GB shouldn't hurt it much. The 950 is 2GB only, the 960 and 380 used to be mainly 2GB (with 4GB options), and those are higher performance cards.

The review also illustrates this, the only other tested card with 4GB of VRAM is the 470, all the rest are 2GB cards.

 

[Masoner]

In this tier of cards, it's just a tiny number of fps that separates "unplayable" from "playable" vs "enjoyable." The 460 puts more games into the "playable" category than any other card for the price point. That is, if the actual price matches msrp.

RX 460 availability and pricing has been pretty decent aside form Sapphire.

Powercolor $110: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131695&cm_re=amd_rx_460-_-14-131-695-_-Product

The Sapphire at $140 is a 4GB card...pretty reasonable. Haven't checked out 2gb vs 4gb 460s but I'm guessing there might be a sizable performance hit with 2GB given the 460's performance envelope. I'm sure someone here has investigated by now and will chime in.

@Math Geek....Months? Please don't say that...us $200 limit folks are a fragile people. Won't take much to break us and send us running to the 470 for a timely fix vs that 480 we've been oogling for the last 6 freakin' weeks. 😛

This is the issue I'm having right now, I've got 300 bucks to spend on a GPU and I need it by the end of the month. So I have 2 weeks, maybe 3 weeks before I have to buy one. I want a RX480 but not a reference model, one with great cooling and OC'd out of the box.

You can get this via the RX470 right now..... it's a shame that I have the money, want the product but they can't provide it to me.

 

[TehPenguin]

$300? 1060 sends its regards.

 

[Math Geek]

yah at $300, i'd look more to the 1060 myself. plenty of models for $250 or so like the evga sc, G1 or gaming x cards. much better bang for the buck at that price level. just avoid the asus cards as they seem to be going downhill and the quality is just not there anymore to justify the inflated prices they ask.

 

[Zielstone]

One RX 460 on Newegg, sold out, priced at $170! Oh come on.

You have *GOT* to be kidding! Lol!
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Although, with so much price gouging that has been happening with this gen so far... :-/

After taking a look at 460 prices at newegg...and the 470 and the 480...I've come the conclusion that amd msrps are now meaningless unless its referring to a 480 ref board with a crap cooler (kills ocs) and has a 6 pin (also kills ocs) runs too hot imo AND is totally unavailable unless you wanna take it up the butt at $350.

Imo...there is not and WILL NOT BE any $110 460s, $179 470s or $199 4gb 480s nor $239 8gb 480s.

Pardon my rant but AMD justs ballsd up what would have been an epic launch...but since theres no competition they are taking to opportunity bullshit their customers and bait (aka screw) them outta more money lest they get a 1060 which almost don't exist at their msrp either. MSRP is the 'suggested' price...I get it, but in the past its been fairly reliable, now it's being used to bait the buyer. I could almost overlook no 480 at $199 only IF they'd have stayed true on the rest. I know they can't force aib partners pricing but they know damn well what they'll be able to afford to sell them at and still make a buck.

Like I said...they completely hosed what coulda been a launch to remember esp with no competing cards from Nvidia to worry about. I'm sure they'll still make bank...but they coulda done it without screwing with their very customers who don't have much to spend in the first place! We'll remember it alright... /rant ...

and I hope I'm wrong and by next week there will be $199 480s for all!! (and $179 470s too!)

There are several 460s under 130 on Newegg