AMD Says Nvidia is a Little Bitter Over PS4 Deal

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[citation][nom]Memnarchon[/nom]Have you ever seen for over a decade a competitive console (especially the Playstation) to be launched with a price less than $400-500? I don't.Do you think that at december GTX680 will cost $1000? I think with the arrival of the HD8xxx and the GTX7xx, GTX680 will have the fate of GTX480. After a few weeks you could find it for $260...Also the Myth that consoles cost less, is just a fairytale for kids. The PC is a tool for many things, work, entertainment, educational, internet browsing etc etc. The only thing you can compare with a console is the gpu. Is your office desktop a gaming machine? I don't think so. But when you put it a $150 HD7850 or GTX650ti boost, it becomes a gaming machine far better than the ones you can buy today with consoles. Not to mention the prices of the games also...[/citation]


Congratulations, for supporting the most ridiculous statement of the day by nVidia.
Have you checked HOW MUCH POWER does 680 consume, eh?
PSU requirement of 550 watts, that costs 450 Euros at the moment is going into a console, SERIOUSLY?
Let alone, if Sony wanted to build 1000$ console, why would they need nvidia, doesn't AMD have 79xx series?


OMG OMG consoles do not use top notch CPUs/GPUs, that consume lots of power and cost losts of money, oh, what a surprise.

Consoles have unique controllers, as well as a "known hardware spec" so that developers can optimize for it; that's a huge advantage compared to PC world.
And it isn't about "who's got the best graphics" at all. You need good enough graphics.
People still play PS3 which has puny Gforce 5700 in it.

Gameplay is all that matters.
 
Most developers train on x86 based systems so programming for it will be easier, and will reduce the amount of work they need to put into optimizing code since most optimizations will translate from system to system.

And since they are using a GPU that supports desktop class standards, then developers who know how to optimize for ATI videocards on the PC side, will be able to easily shift into console development.

While I am not much of a fan of console gaming (greatly limits what you can do as compared to having the game on a PC), this is a step in the right direction.


PS consoles do have OS level overhead, the reason why they can look better than a similarly spec PC, is because all of the hardware is the same, so developers can program to a specific fill rate and render speed.
 
[citation][nom]antilycus[/nom]who is ready for the same driver issues that have plague AMD/ATI on the GPU side for almost 2 decades? NVIDIA knows how to opitmize. AMD knows how to duplicate and make bigger, but they dont know how to make drivers. Just run AMD GPU's on a Linux box to find out.[/citation]
Got 2 AMD cards (4850, 6870) over last few years, never had any problems with drivers whatsoever.
Keep your FUD for yourself please.
 
[citation][nom]antilycus[/nom]who is ready for the same driver issues that have plague AMD/ATI on the GPU side for almost 2 decades? NVIDIA knows how to opitmize. AMD knows how to duplicate and make bigger, but they dont know how to make drivers. Just run AMD GPU's on a Linux box to find out.[/citation]


What the hell does your Linux have to do with this discussion? Linux for the desktop is fringe at best. And a gaming console, having just 1 build and spec is a different animal altogether.
 
As much as I like AMD they do have an issue with delivery, if I were you I would buy as many ps4's as I can because in no time they will be short and prices will go sky high.
 
The PS4 will blow away 85 percent of the current PC's on the market and it will even set new standards for future gaming rigs. The PS4 is a Win Win for everyone, they just don't know it yet.
 
You could call me an nvidia fanboy, and to be honest I'm OK with that because AMD hasn't blown my mind for a few years now (CPU and the HD 7870 which I returned for a GTX670) but frankly nvidia needs to stop with their BS about how they didn't even want the next-gen contracts. Of course they did, we know that, AMD knows it and nvidia knows it - so just be forthcoming about the reasons and move on instead of looking like a sore loser and making up BS.
 
I said Nvidia sounded bitter as soon as I read their comment. They lost the bid because they were unable to provide a CPU and GPU integrated into one package and they know it. Falling out of the console race was a big loss for them, I guess they hope that their plans to get into the mobile market will make up that loss, but Tegra 4 isn't getting many adopters, Qualcomm is leading the pack. As for AMD, hopefully they'll put some of the money they make off the PS4, Wii U, and 720 into R and D, catch up to Intel again in CPU performance, and at least hold the market share they have against Nvidia in the desktop graphics race. One good thing about AMD's move, the 8 cores in the PS4 and 720 will mean that multiplatform games on PC should be optimized for up to 8 cores, which means their 6 and 8 core desktop CPU's should catch up some with Intel in gaming performance.
 
[citation][nom]antilycus[/nom]who is ready for the same driver issues that have plague AMD/ATI on the GPU side for almost 2 decades? NVIDIA knows how to opitmize. AMD knows how to duplicate and make bigger, but they dont know how to make drivers. Just run AMD GPU's on a Linux box to find out.[/citation]

I go back and forth between AMD and Nvidia GPU's depending on what's out at the time I buy and in the last 10 years I haven't had a problem with drivers from either group. At this point the "AMD makes bad drivers" stuff is nonsense propagated by Nvidia fanboys.
 
to get a new PC that runs an gpu of a 7850 or higher you will hit about 600 bucks...and that is not counting OS.

The value is there for what you get. The real value would be a replaceable APU. If the S4 came with the ability to upgrade the APU I'd bite.
 
[citation][nom]colson79[/nom]I go back and forth between AMD and Nvidia GPU's depending on what's out at the time I buy and in the last 10 years I haven't had a problem with drivers from either group. At this point the "AMD makes bad drivers" stuff is nonsense propagated by Nvidia fanboys.[/citation]
Wrong! AMD does have really crappy drivers, and if you haven't experienced any then you are not playing games (newer ones) or you are unable to identify driver related issues. I should tell you that when I purchased a 7870 and had many problems (which apparently were not so uncommon according to loyal AMD users, but it was new to me moving from a GTX660), AMD's official response to my support request was that the issues I'm experiencing are driver related and they "may" (yes, "may") be fixed in future driver releases. Fixing stuttering in basic games and GSOD (G = grey) are apparently things that AMD "may" fix. Sent the card back and went back to the green team. I don't hate AMD, but you saying that their drivers are fine is misleading.
 
AMD's advantage in this situation and from a purely market point of view is that they can offer a cheaper CPU/GPU combination (APU) while delivering much stronger graphical performance compared to Intel (whose latest integrated graphics still won't even be on par with Trinity, let alone Richland, and even less so Kaveri).
So... in terms of consoles that focus exclusively on graphics, consoles now also gain x86 architecture which will make it that much more easier to create PC ports that will be better optimized (far better in contrast to what gamers were getting right now).
That... and basically AMD will deliver 7970M (which is basically a desktop 7870) performance on that console designed APU.

Finally... I don't like the bit of 'cockiness' as displayed in the interview.
 
Gaming revolves around consoles (unfortunately) so it's no wonder that NVIDIA is butthurt for not getting the deal.

I'm glad for AMD.
 
I always had hope in AMD and support them all of the way. I am happy that they are making good decisions and advancing technology.
 
[citation][nom]Memnarchon[/nom]Have you ever seen for over a decade a competitive console (especially the Playstation) to be launched with a price less than $400-500? I don't.Do you think that at december GTX680 will cost $1000? I think with the arrival of the HD8xxx and the GTX7xx, GTX680 will have the fate of GTX480. After a few weeks you could find it for $260...Also the Myth that consoles cost less, is just a fairytale for kids. The PC is a tool for many things, work, entertainment, educational, internet browsing etc etc. The only thing you can compare with a console is the gpu. Is your office desktop a gaming machine? I don't think so. But when you put it a $150 HD7850 or GTX650ti boost, it becomes a gaming machine far better than the ones you can buy today with consoles. Not to mention the prices of the games also...[/citation]

You raise a very valid point, but the fact remains that someone who wants to buy a machine for gaming would pay less (initially) for a console than he would for a gaming PC.
 
"the console's specs are already outdated, that it sports hardware that is in the neighborhood of a low-end PC."
So apperently the ability of my 7850 that I just bought is outdated and "low-end" desipte the fact that I can max out the graphics settings on pretty much any game.

Bitter?... yes, I agree...
Trying to make the PS4 sound like it's cr4p? yeah, definitely.
Is it?
No... It's actually a damn fine machine.
Will I buy one? Probably not...

nVidia can say what they want but you wont see anything near a GTX 680 in the next xbox.
 
[citation][nom]zuluprime[/nom]I always had hope in AMD and support them all of the way. I am happy that they are making good decisions and advancing technology.[/citation]

in my view, this is not "advancing" technology, it's using something they had in another way.
 
"If the PS4 ships in December as Sony indicated, it will only offer about half the performance of a GTX680 GPU (based on GFLOPS and texture), which launched in March 2012, more than a year and a half ago,"
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the 680 alone, to this day, costs around the same as the actual console will likely cost. were they somehow expecting to launch a console with a 670/680 equivalent if they got the contract? and were they expecting the console to fall on its face again with a $600+ price?

that really does sound like theyre just mad.
 
I went about my approach the wrong way. AMD/ATI has had WINDOWS driver issues for over 20 years. 20 years to fix 1 problem, regardless of the amount of variables. I hope these same issues won't plague PS4. It's one closed platform so it really shouldn't, but I have concerns that AMD didnt engineer and instead just copied and added onto someone elses hard work. Don't get me wrong I like AMD. I like their CPU's and their GPU's aren't bad, but if I want the best performance and the best reliability NVIDIA is that option. They are both great....
 
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