AMD Says Nvidia is a Little Bitter Over PS4 Deal

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[citation][nom]antilycus[/nom]who is ready for the same driver issues that have plague AMD/ATI on the GPU side for almost 2 decades? NVIDIA knows how to opitmize. AMD knows how to duplicate and make bigger, but they dont know how to make drivers. Just run AMD GPU's on a Linux box to find out.[/citation]


I disagree with this as Linux isn't a benchmark for driver performance. While it is true that Nvidia has always had better drivers, lately from every benchmark that I've seen, AMD cards perform better and that is supposedly due to the driver optimization they've done.
 
Who wouldn't be bitter after losing the battle for the countless millions this contract is worth? Whether or not the losing side comes out and says it, when they miss out on that kind of scratch, trust me, they're bitter.


Oh, and Toms even calls out AMD software in their most recent ASUS ROG article and while all of the AMD cards blow the 690 out of the water in nearly every bench...recommendation still goes to the 690 because of such issues. Not taking sides but to say there are no issues and that it's a thing of the past is a bit silly.

"There's one other variable we didn't bring up in this story, but have in the past: using frame limiting to address micro-stuttering. AMD needs to learn from the RadeonPro tool we've tested previously and further develop what that utility does to smooth out performance. Software advances would go a long way toward making AMD's real-world experience a lot better.

Make no mistake, Asus' Ares II is the fastest graphics card around. But it really only performs on the GeForce GTX 690's level once you use frame limiting to get stuttering under control."
 
Is anyone forgetting AMD makes CPU's AND GPU'S? Nvidia doesn't and shouldn't even be a part of this conversation. Sony wanted an integrated solution and AMD is one of the only one's who can deliver.
 
[citation][nom]hakesterman[/nom]The PS4 will blow away 85 percent of the current PC's on the market and it will even set new standards for future gaming rigs. The PS4 is a Win Win for everyone, they just don't know it yet.[/citation]

The win is that the console finally will get into the current PC era, most notable Dx11 capable GPU. That will be the win for the PC gamers as the lazy dev's don't have any more lame excuses to stay on the old historic Dx9 anymore. Hardware wise the new PS4 is already passed on release day vs any real gaming PC and down the line it will get progressively worse and worse.

Sure it can be argued about what the costs will be, until the title prices for the PS4 is announced it will be unclear what the end price will be. Perhaps this will be another round of cheap hardware and ridiculously expensive software at launch and for years to come due to the royalties the HW makers have to recoup the losses on the hardware from. The more titles - the more is paid for the console but without any benefits like better hardware. Time will tell where the real "hardware" price lands.
 
"Hey guys, how do we jam a GTX 680 and an i7 into a box that will be marketed at around $400? Oh, and Intel will only give us a 10% discount if we order like a million i7s."

"We don't, you numbnut."
 
[citation][nom]bluekoala[/nom]You raise a very valid point, but the fact remains that someone who wants to buy a machine for gaming would pay less (initially) for a console than he would for a gaming PC.[/citation]
amen to that bro. and Memnarchon try playing any game with that gtx680 alone without a any other components. hmm i'm guessing its not so fun playing Frisbee right? 😀
 
[citation][nom]ko300zx[/nom]Who wouldn't be bitter after losing the battle for the countless millions this contract is worth? Whether or not the losing side comes out and says it, when they miss out on that kind of scratch, trust me, they're bitter.Oh, and Toms even calls out AMD software in their most recent ASUS ROG article and while all of the AMD cards blow the 690 out of the water in nearly every bench...recommendation still goes to the 690 because of such issues. Not taking sides but to say there are no issues and that it's a thing of the past is a bit silly."There's one other variable we didn't bring up in this story, but have in the past: using frame limiting to address micro-stuttering. AMD needs to learn from the RadeonPro tool we've tested previously and further develop what that utility does to smooth out performance. Software advances would go a long way toward making AMD's real-world experience a lot better.Make no mistake, Asus' Ares II is the fastest graphics card around. But it really only performs on the GeForce GTX 690's level once you use frame limiting to get stuttering under control."[/citation]
and i dont even see any hint of relevance of this to the article i am reading. how the heck did the asus ares ii made it to the conversation? ahahahaha joke time. wrong article bro. here's where you want to post that stuff up - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rog-ares-ii-dual-gpu-review,3458.html
 
I knew toms hardware was on a decline, any real enthusiast has left this site long ago, but im just disgusted with how this community has rotted down to a bunch of AMD fan boys. You guys are worse than xbox/playstation fan boys. You do realize they are two completely different types of companies and there products reflect there strategies. Grow up kids
 
This is what I've been waiting and hoping to see out of AMD to use their APU's not as a CPU/GPU but a unified chip that can move data to each so if say they need a lot of math done and instead of using the cpu's math processer but let the GPU that is great at doing it let it DO it. If it's not being used or swamped then why not let it take on more work if it can and is better at doing it and drop the old rules that the cpu HAS to be the one to do specific work ect.....
This kind of stuff I pictured when I heard of AMD making the APU from the start and I hope AMD keeps working in this direction because they can come up with a unique and very powerful way of processing data.
It's one reason I've always liked and supported AMD is they innovate and take these leaps. If it was up to Intel we would still only have 32bit cpu's while AMD was not afraid to make that leap with the Athlon 64 amid bashing by intel that it wasn't needed or was stupid or some such insults. And the duel cores and so on... It took time but we have much to be thankful to AMD for with our current computers.
It's one reason I try to support AMD because we need them as much or more than we need Intel.
 
[citation][nom]deksman[/nom]AMD's advantage in this situation and from a purely market point of view is that they can offer a cheaper CPU/GPU combination (APU) while delivering much stronger graphical performance compared to Intel (whose latest integrated graphics still won't even be on par with Trinity, let alone Richland, and even less so Kaveri).[/citation]

We are talking about nVidia here, aren't we? It's not "cheaper" in this case, powerfull APU is a non-existent product in nVidia's portfolio (Tegra doesn't count).

Plus nVidia makes it sound like their 680 is something that AMD doesn't have, while AMD does have 7970 that beats 680 in most benches and is also significantly cheaper (at least in EU).
 


Remind me how the APU technology is not advancing technology, because i'm now facinated by your response;

Desktop APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland.
All in Ones - Bobcat
Mobility - Llano, Trinity, Richland
ULV - Jaguar (Tamesh and Kabini)
Server - Jaguar server based processors with co-processor expansion capability
Consoles - PS4, Xbox720

Going alone on the PS4 spec, a 8 core low voltage Jaguar x86 processors, Radeon integrated solution that is higher than any DT or mobility part rumored somewhere in between a 7870 and 7970 all this with thermals less than any high end gaming PC. Then there is HSA and paralel computing.

When you done explaining to me how the APU is not advancing technology, maybe you can point me in the general direction of anyone that makes something remotely competitive with the APU.



Looks at sig* *sees Intel and nvidia* *reads post* burst into tears laughing. I don't know what is more absurd, your claim to "real enthusiasts" or your hypocritical statement.

Since you had nothing to contribute I guess you overlooked the fact that a) Nvidia started it with a snide remark this is just comeupence and b) you are clearly like Nvidia feeling a little emptier.
 
18 compute units is like...just between the 7850 and 7870...Man that's something they've got there. I hope Jaguar doesn't prove to be a house cat, though.
 
The difference is console scales all 8 cores, what may happen if games are ports then maybe games on pc will utilise cores now that way it could be interesting to see AMD's core advantage take flight, utilize them unused cores.
 
Bitter or otherwise Nvidia was still true and correct about their statement on the specs its all ready out dated that's all completely true.

Hell my 260GTX Core 2 Quad Q9550 is probably still faster and its about 4 or 5 years old now consoles are a joke when it comes to performance.
 
"Given AMD and Sony's close ties with Android, could it be possible that the PlayStation 4 will allow users to run Android apps directly on the console via BlueStacks?"

Are you daft? First of all, Android is fully capable of running on x86 already, no Bluestacks needed, that's only for Windows. Second, Intel just bought Bluestacks, so the probability of it showing up on a custom AMD-only platform is about zero.
 
AMD is in every major console this generation, i'd think nvidia is feeling more butt hurt over that fact than amd geting just one console. sure MS , nintento and sony are all competeing but you know in the end they are all handing AMD a fat check and nvidia isn't seeing one dime.
 
AMD has their tech in all next gen consoles now... So either way the cookie crumbles they're making out like bandits! Good job guys!
 
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]the tegra 3 has npthing to do with it. the tegra 3 is in the nexus 7 which is selling well. they are not selling well because windows RT is nothing but a gimped version of windows[/citation]
I don't think that is it. There are three major things holding back the Surface's sales:
1) A smaller app library than iPad or Android (all of the important apps are there, but a lot of people only look at the total number),
2) Its bulkiness (almost twice the thickness of the iPad), and
3) There is no Apple logo on the back.
 
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