Endyen: Let me first apologize for calling you a dork. It was just that when I read your post it seemed as though you were regurgitating something you read somewhere. It seemed a little dorky to me. Sorry. I will say that I think it speaks volumes for Intel's manufacturing prowess that we can reach the smaller line widths without using exotic equipment. I disagree that it equates to lesser quality or lower yields. I assure you, our yields are very good. And quality is Intel's highest focus, behind safety of their employees. When the infamous Pentium flaw was disclosed that affected a very small fraction scientific uses, what did Intel do? They recalled every one of them, while taking a huge financial hit. Intel frequently announces major breakthroughs in silicon processes that will benefit everybody. The 5 or 6 Billion a year we spend on R & D benefits all manufacturers eventually.
here is a little regurgitation for you.
There are a number of practical issues to implementing immersion lithography that still need to be resolved. The stage on a 193nm exposure tool steps from location to location across the wafer scanning the reticle image for each field. In order to achieve high throughput the stage must accelerate rapidly, move accurately to the next field location, settle, scan the image and then step to the next location all in a short period of time. Maintaining a consistent bubble free liquid between the lens and the wafer is very difficult.
One issue that is likely to be significant for immersion lithography is temperature control. Variations in temperature cause variations in n and therefore image distortion. Maintaining temperature uniformity with a rapidly moving stage and a pulsed laser passing through the fluid will likely be a significant challenge 😱
There are a number of practical issues to implementing immersion lithography that still need to be resolved. The stage on a 193nm exposure tool steps from location to location across the wafer scanning the reticle image for each field. In order to achieve high throughput the stage must accelerate rapidly, move accurately to the next field location, settle, scan the image and then step to the next location all in a short period of time. Maintaining a consistent bubble free liquid between the lens and the wafer is very difficult.
One issue that is likely to be significant for immersion lithography is temperature control. Variations in temperature cause variations in n and therefore image distortion. Maintaining temperature uniformity with a rapidly moving stage and a pulsed laser passing through the fluid will likely be a significant challenge 😱
Immersion tek is all about quality and yields. It allows clear sharp lines, which is what litho is all about. TSMC just did tghe switch, and is amazed at thier yields.
I read a press package last year from Amd, that menioned how immersion had reduced the airborne particulate, esp silicon, that is created during chip production.
I read a press package last year from Amd, that menioned how immersion had reduced the airborne particulate, esp silicon, that is created during chip production.
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Too much crap to read. Just thought I'd add that originally the FX60 cost something like $1350, but within a few weeks it was down to about $1050. The starting price doesn't mean as much as you think, because if you can hold out for a few weeks, it will cost like 80% or less of the suggested retail.
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Good enough for me, I was looking for workstream, here is the link from the inquirer that names the system:
Letters to the Inquirer Editor
Right on dude!!! Thanks,
AtolSammeek you owe Mr. Omerta an apology
The new system for 300mm is called MES. But most of us still call it workstream.
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Disclaimer: I am in no way a fanboy.
But, I live near an Intel Fab, in New Mexico, and they are b1tches. They were only supposed to have 10 fabs, they now have 12, the call the extra 2 11 and 11x, saying 11x is part of 11. Its a COMPLETELY separate building. OK that was way off topic, but I would much rather AMD have more marketshare than Intel. Intel has totally raped our community of its money and polluted our water. Many want to get rid of it, as in a majority of those who are not employees, but 60% of the populace is in some way dependent on Intel for money. And on top of that, I swear our city rep's are bribed by Intel.
Also, one of my friend's dad's, and the runner of a computer place nearby, both Intel employees, acknowledge that Intels Conroe benchmarks are FAR exaggerated, and by that I mean 15%. So they are 5% better than "FX-62"'s. Both own AMD machines. Why? Because they know they are better at the moment. However, clock for clock, Pentium m's are catching up. But this is due to the Israeli's, whom I think should create a third processor company, which would totally own AMD and Intel. So, anybody think I'm high right now? After reading this, I think I am...lol.
But, I live near an Intel Fab, in New Mexico, and they are b1tches. They were only supposed to have 10 fabs, they now have 12, the call the extra 2 11 and 11x, saying 11x is part of 11. Its a COMPLETELY separate building. OK that was way off topic, but I would much rather AMD have more marketshare than Intel. Intel has totally raped our community of its money and polluted our water. Many want to get rid of it, as in a majority of those who are not employees, but 60% of the populace is in some way dependent on Intel for money. And on top of that, I swear our city rep's are bribed by Intel.
Also, one of my friend's dad's, and the runner of a computer place nearby, both Intel employees, acknowledge that Intels Conroe benchmarks are FAR exaggerated, and by that I mean 15%. So they are 5% better than "FX-62"'s. Both own AMD machines. Why? Because they know they are better at the moment. However, clock for clock, Pentium m's are catching up. But this is due to the Israeli's, whom I think should create a third processor company, which would totally own AMD and Intel. So, anybody think I'm high right now? After reading this, I think I am...lol.
We agree, AMD is ready. Ready to be served! lol
I'm afraid AMD does not have anything to save them from this kind of performance leap. We have already heard all about AMD's response and it won't be nearly enough. The only answer would be a complete redesign of their microarchitecture which isn't on the books for at least a couple of years.
Of course your boy Hector is not going to admit they are in trouble any more than Intel would admit publicly that AMD was kicking their ass. But the proof is in the executive stock sales which have gone through the roof this year. No one is buying, only selling.
But keep up the desperate flames. They are quite amusing
I'm afraid AMD does not have anything to save them from this kind of performance leap. We have already heard all about AMD's response and it won't be nearly enough. The only answer would be a complete redesign of their microarchitecture which isn't on the books for at least a couple of years.
Of course your boy Hector is not going to admit they are in trouble any more than Intel would admit publicly that AMD was kicking their ass. But the proof is in the executive stock sales which have gone through the roof this year. No one is buying, only selling.
But keep up the desperate flames. They are quite amusing
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Maybe he was misleaded by the amount of fabs, but one thing for sure is that those damn fabs are polluting his city and that's something to be really concerned. Shame on Intel.
who says they are polluting? You? You ran tests and have data? They installed a monitor in Corrales to "prove" that intel is polluting. They put in this machine several years ago at a great expense to their community and what data are they getting? nothing.
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New Mexico's government should really consider auditing Intel's factories to see what's really taking place. If anything d0nu7 said is true (and judging omerta's statements), then Intel is playing really dirty as they always do.
Shame on you Intel. :x
Shame on you Intel. :x
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