AMD vs. Intel: Battery Life Investigated

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Hiya TC, raising a glass to ya buddy

Any one seen Yipsl of late - hes not been around


Sounds like some ones been converted by the church of AMD.

JennyH

The whole reason of this was battery life and you go on about igp video performance.


btw it was ATI not AMD - amd just bought ATI, did nothing for a year with them and nearly went bankrupt because of it.


We all know amd / ati at the moment have better IGP's and well done but the point of this exercise is for business laptops to run word, excel internet and email with the longest battery life...

maybe intel dont want to do a fast igp - reason - they dont need to.
but im sure theyre not laying down taking this situation - oh no


and you change it in to a igp war
 
Hellboy, we already ascertained that it would be better off to buy the AMD and another battery (or a better one) with the $80 saved. That was a relatively simple point that a lot of people missed 😛

Jaydee...if its not the igp then it has to be the cpu surely? I mean if everything else is the same then one of those 2 components must be causing the 30% extra draw. It seems logical to me that the most powerful component would. I know power savings come from more advanced nm but those are generally turned into performance gains.

 



oh come one the practicality of that is zero

more weight to carry - people moan about the weight of their batteries and the laptop as it is
remembering the second battey to carry
laptop switches off whilst changing battery.
battery changing on laptops is prone to breakages as most laptops are made crap nowadays after continous changing


oh yeah and the reason i really bought my laptop is to play games

think this one through

 
OK, business wasnt mentioned in the article at all. Other people find it serious biased, not just jennyh, I too question its intent, but for other reasonings, which arent proofed, only speculated on, I have given my proofs, the people in my links have spoken.
More and more people are seeing a somewhat Intel bias with Anand, not my doing, I cant even convince anyone of that, tho, I still give him a benefit of the doubt, unlike others, which isnt [H]ard to figure out
 



agreed but what i am saying is based on real life and real life circumstances.

I could'nt care what chip is in a laptop as long as the laptop can be used for a reasonable ammount of time.

but to say ooh amd is better - clearly but it has its drawbacks too

you cant have everything in life unless you have a ferrari and a blg breasted blonde woman :)
 
Ok hellboy how about this.

You buy both of the laptops and you buy a 2nd battery for the AMD costing $80.

You go on a rail trip for a few hours, say 5. For the first 2 hours you watch a good movie on the intel, then the battery runs out. Then, you watch another 90 minute movie on the AMD before the battery runs out. After that, you're kinda all movie'd out and want to play some games for the last 90 mins.

You know where this is going right? 😛
 




Exactly. Business laptops don't need to be able to game, but rather just work and have long battery life. A student on the other hand might want to game as well as work. It all depends on what the consumer wants to use it for. Personally I game lightly on my laptop, but the bulk of of time is web surfing and work, so I would choose the AMD platform. Take gaming out of the equation then i would choose the Intel platform.
 



no , take an ipod, a paper back and a DS or a new acer with 8 hours battery life - end of story - anyway i would fall a sleep for 5 hours on a train
 
anonymousdude, I think jaydee responded to that one earlier. Sure there are 'business laptops' that have no need of any decent igp, but this intel isn't really one of them is it?
 


Well it was just hypothetical, I mean some of us have already dreamed up some incredibly unlikely market for that particular intel laptop so why can't I? 😛
 



thats a sweeping statement

intel igp do play some 3d stuff, not as many as ati but then again who in their right mind will shove a laptop on a desk on a train with a mouse ( trackpads on games are crap ) ( you would have to shove it on a desk as a laptop on your lap will not be playable )

second - the sort of games people should play on laptops on a train should not be shootem ups, gta 4 etc - quick, unthinkable - short but adictive , puzzles type - flash stuff, not one to get excited about. - real gaming is a place for the home not on a train at 100 miles an hour - youd soon get a punch on the nose if you keep the irratation levels going.

It would really irratate me if someone on a train played counterstrike for 5 hours who sat next to me..

next it will be who can dump the longest battery life on a toilet

nah

 
Hellboy that intel GMA is terrible and I'm sure you know it 😛

Ok you don't want to carry a spare battery around with your AMD...why not just use a better one instead? There is $80 of headroom there.

Somebody has $580 exactly to spend on a laptop, can you seriously suggest the intel is the best buy? It is only the best buy if you never, ever play games at all and have no intention of doing so in the future. Even then it's still dubious that it's actually worth the $80 more. What if your kids want to use it? Or somebody else who might want to play a game every so often?

Is that 10% or so better performance in what, excel really worth it? How often are you really gonna be watching a two hour dvd while mobile on a laptop like that anyway? Enough to justify the extra $80?

There are a lot of variables that can be brought into the equation. That's another really good reason why you'd take an 'all rounder' instead, and the AMD is an all-rounder.
 


But in this article, you can pay $80 for an extra battery, or pay $80 for better battery life AND give up any hope of playing [modern] games.

Edit: ...EVER. You can decide to buy another battery later, but most likely not another graphics adapter (or you'll pay out the keister for it).
 
Others are saying
"and he didnt even mention the neo, which is right between netbook and notebooks which seems to be what he wants to write about... this "review" makes no sense...
what does he want to show?
a 65nm cpu consumes more power than a 45nm one? derrrrr rialliiii? "


"i think this review is kinda useless because they arent using the same graphics and the graphics are a big deal of the battery life. when i was shopping for a laptop last month i found two laptops completely identical but one had intel integrated graphics and one had nvidia integrated graphics. the intel integrated graphics one had a much better battery life but i picked the nvidia one because i actually want to be able to do something graphics related. i really dont see any use in this review."


"I got Aspire 3810T with SU9400 (1,4ghz) today.. pretty fast for 2x cores 10W cpu.. I had IBM T42 with Pentium M 1,6ghz before...Too bad that I had buy the laptop for studies just NOW. There are no AMD alternatives for SU9400.. We will see how 45nm x2 neo can compete.

I think Anand is starting to be Intel biased, lol so I agree with saaya's critics."

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231413

Id have to say, after all my links, and all the peoples comments concerning gfx, the issue and excuse of "but business" is dead now. No such excuses
Yes, its THAT important
 
Of course graphics are important jaydee, and everybody here knows it. I would bet that there is nobody in this thread who doesn't game, and probably games quite a lot at times.
 
So everyone else is saying they want it, and the ones here deep down admit they prefer it, but then why the excuses?
Thered be no SoC Pine Trail if it werent needed, by the same people Ive quoted here today.
If in the past Id mentioned gaming, it comes down to , you need to have something decent to play with, not a igp, when, if you have your lappy there, and you arent at home, but do have time to kill....its always been diverted from its actual importance and uses. Or, another excuse.
Im just being honest here, and not only to you jennyh, but to myself
 
Look, I dont want it to be as if I crapped in a bag, left it on someone front porch, lit it on fire and rang the doorbell thing here, but some things are hard to get around.
The article is showing up as pretty biased in most eyes, and yes, this isnt AMDs best solution, and yes Im frustrated by this article, and even moreso by AMD, to sum it up, someone else put it best
"AMD has been a huge disappointment in the mobile market.

- They have low power and high-performance 45nm CPUs, that they're selling at ridiculously dirt-cheap prices for desktop (Athlon X2 7750 BE and up), yet they only shove their old and power-hungry 65nm barcelona derivatives in laptops.

- They have by far the best technology available for gaming laptops: XGP. Yet there's only one laptop sporting it, no one ever heard about it and it has a weak CPU, poor battery life (thanks to the old CPU) and they only bundle it with a 2 year-old HD3870.

- Athlon Neo is a lot better than Atom, price/performance wise, and there's only one laptop from HP with it. HP paired it with a crappy 4-cell battery (jeez, even my dirt-cheap 8.9" Eeepc came with a 6-cell) so "The small laptop with AMD's response to Atom has poor battery life". Furthermore, they made the motherboard with an old DX9 IGP, so those who want H264 acceleration have to go with a discrete GPU, consuming even more power. Way to go, AMD and HP. Who pulled the shots for building HP DV2? A very smart ape?

- The RV730 was paper-launched 6 months ago for laptops, because AMD said they would focus the new 40nm for the mobile market. During this time, the desktop version went to market, and we're yet to see any news at all about those two laptops with that GPU. The Mobility HD4860 can now be called HD4860 Forever.

- The Asus W90 was supposed to be the best performance laptop ever, with two HD4870s in Crossfire. How to screw the "halo effect"? They bundled each GPU with 512MB GDDR3 ("hey, I just got a brilliant idea, let's cut some costs into this 2.500€ ultra-high-end laptop") and a 2GHz CPU. So now nVidia can scream how their let's-make-our-stupid-clients-believe-this-G92-is-a-GT200 GTX280M SLI is the fastest mobile setup because they were smart enough to put 1GB into each GPU.

- For the past year, the Mobility HD4650/70 has been losing design wins for the crappy 32sp 9600M GT, over and over again - the performance is a whole other league, power envelope is the same, what the hell is wrong with OEMs??



To AMD:

Whoever is in charge of the mobile division, just fire those guys! Or at least relocate them into more deserving jobs, like cleanning the toilets.



For the past 3 years or more, only bad decisions and crappy products have come out from AMD's mobile division"
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231413

I feel the same way about this mobile situation as I did when they had their old "marketing" team still intact, and was happy to see them go.
We need a strong AMD, like em, use em, hate em, wouldnt buy em, or even leave a burning bag on their front doorstep, we need em
 
Fact is jaydee, AMD are struggling to sell cpu's and gpu's even when they are better.

That is the sort of thing that takes time, possibly years to change. AMD are fighting for the minds of the people more than they are against intel/nvidia. Any AMD fanboy/girl already knows that AMD's products simply aren't selling as well as they should be.

It's exasperating for somebody like me. I get accused of rampant fangirlism, and tbh I rarely disagree. I am an AMD fangirl, and I love AMD. But it's not stupid brainwashing that makes me feel that way about AMD, it's because this small (compared to the competition) company sticks in there, brings out new and better tech every year against...what odds? An evil intel and nvidia that owns the market with bog standard products and "wins" on advertising.

I know that is what is it. You know that is what it is. I would say that even intel/nvidia fanboys with brains realise that they've been lied to or ripped off by each company at some point in the past.

What I dont understand is how otherwise intelligent people, like say fazers or {choose your intel fanboy}, can be against AMD. What causes them to be like that? It's a mystery to me, it really is.
 
Behind every Intel fanboy , was once a AMD fanboy that had AMD fail on them. Those to me , are the most adamant AMD "haters" if you will.
I dont suffer the fanboi disease, I feel lucky. Some have a need to pick with something, and only that. But, when it really really lets them down, its often Mr Hyde showing up
 
I don't mean to change the 'friendly' nature of the thread with my above post btw 😛 It's just an explanation of why I feel so strongly about supporting AMD, especially when they get the short straw, unfairly in too many instances imo.
 
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