AMD's Answer to Core i5: Phenom II 975 BE

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http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22Phenom+II%22+975

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15553/1/ (I know it's Fudzilla, but they pretty much are reporting the same thing as a couple other sources)

AMD is working on a new Deneb-based Phenom II X4 975 core and judging from previous speed updates the new CPU might actually even work at 3.6GHz.

TDP's can be as high as 140W, but that will have to be tolerated for such a speed. We don’t know when AMD plans to launch this CPU, but it’s almost certain that it comes in the first half of 2010.
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Another source said the second half of 2010, but I simply think AMD isn't THAT bad.


So a few things here:
- We should be looking at about ~6% performance increase over PII X4 965 BE at stock speeds.
- I suspect overclockability will be about the same as the 965BE, capping out at 4.0 or 4.1 on aftermarket air (pure speculation)
- Thermals are still sky-high and reminiscent of Intel's Prescott
- I don't like the timing, I think AMD needs to unleash this bad boy in 2009 Q4 and bump down the 965 BE prices to the $190-$200 range

I still think AMD will do well though, because Intel doesn't have a lot to offer that costs less than $200. LGA775 is EOL, and I simply cannot recommend it anymore as it's no fun to be on a dead end road!

There's just simply not enough headroom! Where art thou Bulldozer!?!



(Insert flame war below)
 



LOL, I wouldn't say that. However, they are in grave financial danger. I worry about them surviving in 2011 if they don't manage to stop the bleeding soon.
 


LOL, I look at it the other way around, AMD better start producing some better stuff or they'll end up going belly-up. It's not the consumer's fault that AMD isn't attractive above the $200 mark.

However, that doesn't detract from AMD's solid sub-$200 offerings. I would say that AMD's sub-$200 offerings are more robust with the triple-core option.
 



I'd call that a bit of an overstatement, at least for the moment - They are clearly in financial trouble, though.

I've participated in a number of enchanges already on this (rather unpopular) point: As a business strategy, occupuying the low end/volume area and undercutting the competition does have some advantages. It is a proven method to capture/retain market share; and if done well can also help with short term cash flow. But at some point the company *must* turn that market share into real money in order to recoup the losses sustained and to eventually become profitable. AMD haven't accomplished that second part.





Someone more cynical than I might make a rude comment about 'Welfare'... But instead I'd point out that if such a thing were to happen, then it wouldn't be accurate to call those individuals "Intel Fanboys".
 
Yea I agree but AMD flopped a bit this year on CPU prices among other things.... The 965 is still priced at 245.00$ and even thou that is a great price for such a CPU, Intel came out with their new line of CPU's that simply cannot be beat price/performance-wise..... That is AMD's issue ATM.... Would be nice to see that 975 drop anytime soon but I bet it will be priced in the 280.00's or higher and trust me, it will be just like comparing the 965 to the 955.... not much sense in paying a premium for bit more speed when all you have to do is go into the bios and up the multiplier......
 
Yah - I do think it would be a *good* thing if AMD released a processor they could justifiably charge a premium for. As strong as the 'performance/dollar' argument is, premium products are where the profit is.

A year ago, I might have wished for them to come up with a (new/revised) process that would allow them to make profit through cost savings/quality/yield/efficiency... But that part belongs to Global Foundries now.


..and Jenny - I did read that: Very Nice. Yet it remains to be seen if AMD can turn it into cash in bank.
 
Of particular interest...According to that article, I'll be able to plug a 6-core into my ageing AM2+ mobo. Intel will probably be due to release yet another socket around about that time.

We'll see. Pretty sure the 975 BE will be out before christmas anyway.
 


Thats old news jennyh...... We arent looking for more CORES, we want a FAST quad that can hang with Intel and not break the bank.....The only thing that I like about the Thuban is the cross-compatibility... Other than that I see no need for such a CPU ATM......

For example, if AMD would have found a way to give us a quad with a decent stock clock (3.0/3.1/3.2Ghz) and a massive amount of L3 (8/10/12Mb's) then we would at least have something comparable to what Intel offers.... Im not trying to compare both but it is hard for me to swallow the fact that Intel gives you an amazing CPU that is priced perfectly and on top of that it will embarrass any AMD CPU out ATM.....
 


I didn't hear anything about a new socket... Are you making things up again to be more favorable for AMD?


I do agree that AMD has a more appealing upgrade path currently. I think that will change as the prices of i5 come down in the next 6-12 months.
 


Ask yourself this,

What will "Thuban" do that the i7 860 cannot?


 
AMD never officially confirmed it until today.

Still no date of course, but they'll be working on it. We just don't know how much better windows 7 will be for multiple cores either yet.

Either way, what else are they supposed to do? Not just AMD but intel too? These cpu's cannot go much further in terms of raw ghz, its a wall that cant be breached. The only thing both companies can do is increase the core count, otherwise there will be hardly any progress at all.

6-cores and up might sound 'meh', but there are no alternatives at this moment, for either company.
 


Not according to many news sources, including pro-AMD sources. But I'm just basing that off of available news sources and not just making it up.
 
The only feature I will be able to benefit off of a six core AMD cpu is the extra 2Mb of L3... My needs simply don't utilize more than 2 cores ATM so it would be a waste of money for extra cores at the same speed unless there was a program/game that would actually use all 5/6 cores.....

Would be nice to see a AMD come up with a stock 4Ghz quad at a reasonable price... I would take a 4Ghz quad over a 3Ghz 6 core CPU anyday....
 


Phenom II's L2 cache derives from 512KB per core, so Thuban will only have 1MB more of TOTAL cache (that is, 512KB L2 x 6 + 6MB L3 = 9MB cache).
It'll be good enough if it gets close to core i7. i9 vs thuban will just be the same as i7 vs deneb.
 
Yea my bad for the typo....

I guess we won't see a real AMD cpu till Bulldozer drops.... I was really looking foward to staying with AMD but from the looks of all this it seems inevitable....
 


I9 vs Thuban will be worse than I7 vs Deneb. My reasoning for this is that I7 and Deneb are both 45nm quad core processors. The problem is Thuban will be a 45nm 6 core while I9 will be a 32nm 6 core, the advantages of 32nm will make the performance difference even greater than what I7 currently has over Deneb. I9 vs Thuban may be as embarassing for AMD as I7 vs Agena.
 


Yea but the prices will be very different as well...... So it's back to the same sheat as now... If you want a so-so cheaper CPU then go with the Thuban, if money aint an isuue then you will pay ALOT more for an amazing i9....
 


Yup, and I think a lot of people are really loving the "good enough" cheaper processors right now! I do think that Intel could "FINISH HIM" if they were more aggressive in the sub-$200 world.
 
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