Never, ever, ever would I be owned by a Mac or anything Apple for that matter. Not an iPod or an iPhone. You don't "own" a Mac... Apple "owns" you because they don't want you to do anything with "their" product that "Apple Almighty" hasn't blessed. And, no, I am not a MS fanboy either. Vista is another mistake I will never make. I would rather put Win7 on my PC than shell out too much cash for a MAC. Go away, Apple. You bother people.
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Wait a second...... you mean that I can get rid of our family's two PC's (1 gaming i7 rig, 1 HTPC) and our two laptops, and spend $7000-$10000 on Macs. That sounds easy enough for me.
If I do that, what will I do with my 10.5 TB of movies and recorded TV? What will I do with my 10 or so games that won't play on a Mac? I guess I could purchase xp and run crysis at low res on the mac. This might be a big change for me as I am used to seeing games on their highest settings on my 25.5 1080p samsung (averaging 44FPS on crysis).
Why would I buy slower hardware for more money?
Because it just works........is not a good answer.
Apple makes me laugh.
Apple's statments seem desperate.
If I do that, what will I do with my 10.5 TB of movies and recorded TV? What will I do with my 10 or so games that won't play on a Mac? I guess I could purchase xp and run crysis at low res on the mac. This might be a big change for me as I am used to seeing games on their highest settings on my 25.5 1080p samsung (averaging 44FPS on crysis).
Why would I buy slower hardware for more money?
Because it just works........is not a good answer.
Apple makes me laugh.
Apple's statments seem desperate.
"Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out. If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?" says Schiller.
Are they delusional? How is upgrading to a completely new system running a completely different OS an easier option? Have they not thought about how confusing it would be for the user to transfer all their old data to their shiny new Mac? Yeah good luck with that.
Not too many people are upgrading from XP to Windows 7 on their old systems. While migration has its place and we have seen it, as of now its a small part of the market. They are simply buying brand new PC's. The systems I'm building right this second, that are on my desk, and the X# amount orders we have received that I have yet to build are a testament to that.
Statements like this just make me laugh. My job relies on the Windows market being a fierce competitor for Apple. I'll tell you right now, I am not loosing sleep over getting my future paychecks.
Are they delusional? How is upgrading to a completely new system running a completely different OS an easier option? Have they not thought about how confusing it would be for the user to transfer all their old data to their shiny new Mac? Yeah good luck with that.
Not too many people are upgrading from XP to Windows 7 on their old systems. While migration has its place and we have seen it, as of now its a small part of the market. They are simply buying brand new PC's. The systems I'm building right this second, that are on my desk, and the X# amount orders we have received that I have yet to build are a testament to that.
Statements like this just make me laugh. My job relies on the Windows market being a fierce competitor for Apple. I'll tell you right now, I am not loosing sleep over getting my future paychecks.
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People won't upgrade their computer to Windows 7 They will go out and buy a new one. Most likely it won't be a Mac considering the cost.
But guys! Snow Leopard IS better! Windowz 7 does not have the feature where it deletes all your user data...Oh, thats not a good thing? Well it still doesnt have that flash vunerabili....Oh, not a good thing either? Well, Windows 7 can run the latest Adobe software and Snow Leopard ca....Oh shit.
I think many people here don't realise that apple is targeting the High End of the Market, so when they say "If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?" they are putting the message there for those high end PC users that are still using windows... that is the market, that Apple wants, that is the market thart other pc vendors are trying not to lose by mimiking Apple with All in ones, touch screens and ultra slim notebooks.. Apple does not care about you, and what you do with your obsolete notebook or PC
[citation][nom]martin33w20[/nom]Sounds like another (if you build it they will come statement), Apple does what the people who use it want. Apple is just over priced and will never get the widspread attention they are trying to get with the limited compatibility, that PC useres require.[/citation]
Odds are, going from XP to 7 will require new hardware of it's own. Few PCs running Xp today are less than 2 years old except those in the hands of PC entusiasts who staunchly refused Vista but kept upgrading hardware anyway. 7's system requirements (to run WELL) are quite a bit higher than commodoty notebooks, and you;re typically looking for something with descrete graphics of at least some low level, so $700 machines, plus a bunch of software upgrades of old stuff, would likely be required.
Compare that to a $950 white macbook which outperforms most $1100 machines on the market in both speed, battery life, and weight categories, and it;s not a bad proposition. Further, migrating from XP to a mac takes a few clicks. Migrating from XP to a win 7 machine is a nasty complicated process, and worse, to do it inline on the same machine (after a couple hundred dollars in upgraded RAM and some temporary migration storage) is even less appealing.
For 98% of PC users, the only real software issue is Office, for which both the 2004 (if you need VB) and 2008 packages offer complete compatability, or you can just use Open Office for simply stuff (or iWork which actually isn't half bad!). The majority of PC apps most people have to buy today have Mac equivalents that come in the box free, and the remainer of the popular apps either already have Mac versions, or worst case virtualize XP (which, lets be honest, if you;re going from XP to 7, you'll probably have to do that anyway with your less popular apps).
This isn't EVERYONE, but if just 5% of XP users say "shit, for $100 more than a new PC, I'll get a mac and have both worlds on great hardware" then mac increases it's marketshare by more in 1 year than they have in 10!
Keep in mind, explosive customer growth is not on Apple's plate. They could not POSSIBLY support 3 times the users suddently wanting to switch to Mac, they don't have the manufacturing or customer support capacity. 10% more customers a year would be a dream for any company, Apple's currently maintaining about twice that pace... I think they're quite comfortable with that. Any faster, and they'll have hardware shortages, or need to finally start selling OS X in a box on comodoty hardware (dream that if you want).
Odds are, going from XP to 7 will require new hardware of it's own. Few PCs running Xp today are less than 2 years old except those in the hands of PC entusiasts who staunchly refused Vista but kept upgrading hardware anyway. 7's system requirements (to run WELL) are quite a bit higher than commodoty notebooks, and you;re typically looking for something with descrete graphics of at least some low level, so $700 machines, plus a bunch of software upgrades of old stuff, would likely be required.
Compare that to a $950 white macbook which outperforms most $1100 machines on the market in both speed, battery life, and weight categories, and it;s not a bad proposition. Further, migrating from XP to a mac takes a few clicks. Migrating from XP to a win 7 machine is a nasty complicated process, and worse, to do it inline on the same machine (after a couple hundred dollars in upgraded RAM and some temporary migration storage) is even less appealing.
For 98% of PC users, the only real software issue is Office, for which both the 2004 (if you need VB) and 2008 packages offer complete compatability, or you can just use Open Office for simply stuff (or iWork which actually isn't half bad!). The majority of PC apps most people have to buy today have Mac equivalents that come in the box free, and the remainer of the popular apps either already have Mac versions, or worst case virtualize XP (which, lets be honest, if you;re going from XP to 7, you'll probably have to do that anyway with your less popular apps).
This isn't EVERYONE, but if just 5% of XP users say "shit, for $100 more than a new PC, I'll get a mac and have both worlds on great hardware" then mac increases it's marketshare by more in 1 year than they have in 10!
Keep in mind, explosive customer growth is not on Apple's plate. They could not POSSIBLY support 3 times the users suddently wanting to switch to Mac, they don't have the manufacturing or customer support capacity. 10% more customers a year would be a dream for any company, Apple's currently maintaining about twice that pace... I think they're quite comfortable with that. Any faster, and they'll have hardware shortages, or need to finally start selling OS X in a box on comodoty hardware (dream that if you want).
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Windows 7 / Ubuntu 9.04 dual boot. Make ubuntu look like mac and use windows for all of your lovely games =)
Windows 7 / Ubuntu 9.04 dual boot. Make ubuntu look like mac and use windows for all of your lovely games =)
Well, they are doing one thing right here (for them). Pulling focus away from how great Windows 7 is going to be for it's users!
I am doing a clean install of the 64-bit Windows 7 on my Thinkpad 22. October 😉 A secure computer i can dock and fill all my computer related needs on. A design classic!
I am doing a clean install of the 64-bit Windows 7 on my Thinkpad 22. October 😉 A secure computer i can dock and fill all my computer related needs on. A design classic!
LOL. All of these comments are funny and mostly uniformed. Apple products are priced at a premium, but not as excessively as many posters claim. And the worn-out argument that there are no Mac viruses due to the limited market saturation is absurd. There is no prize for being the millionth hacker to infect a PC. Run the junk that is Windows, watch out for viruses, enjoy your bloatware, and good luck with the mass produced Dell and HP crap.
[citation][nom]dark_lord69[/nom]Not if you already have a good PC and just want Windows 7 instead of Vista...AND not if apple doesn't lower thier prices.The average job will not go out and drop $2000 on an apple when they can get the same hardware in a PC for $1200.[/citation]
$200 is not the mac price, $950 is. And at $950, there's not a Dell more powerful under $1100. Dell does have similar SIZED machines for about $700 with comperable CPU, but none of their 13" machines have descrete graphics and matching specs to the Mac. The 15" has no comperable Dell system within $200. yea, you can buy a $500 PC, but you couldn't make me use it; I;d sell it in a heart beat and buy a real computer (mac or PC makes no difference, but if it ain't got descrete graphics, i won't use it with a modern OS, i have an iPhone for e-amil and surfing on the road, i don't have a need for a netbook, and I don't want 2 seperate PCs when i can have 1 better than either for less money.)
$200 is not the mac price, $950 is. And at $950, there's not a Dell more powerful under $1100. Dell does have similar SIZED machines for about $700 with comperable CPU, but none of their 13" machines have descrete graphics and matching specs to the Mac. The 15" has no comperable Dell system within $200. yea, you can buy a $500 PC, but you couldn't make me use it; I;d sell it in a heart beat and buy a real computer (mac or PC makes no difference, but if it ain't got descrete graphics, i won't use it with a modern OS, i have an iPhone for e-amil and surfing on the road, i don't have a need for a netbook, and I don't want 2 seperate PCs when i can have 1 better than either for less money.)
[citation][nom]keither5150[/nom]Wait a second...... you mean that I can get rid of our family's two PC's (1 gaming i7 rig, 1 HTPC) and our two laptops, and spend $7000-$10000 on Macs. That sounds easy enough for me.If I do that, what will I do with my 10.5 TB of movies and recorded TV? What will I do with my 10 or so games that won't play on a Mac? I guess I could purchase xp and run crysis at low res on the mac. This might be a big change for me as I am used to seeing games on their highest settings on my 25.5 1080p samsung (averaging 44FPS on crysis).Why would I buy slower hardware for more money? Because it just works........is not a good answer.Apple makes me laugh. Apple's statments seem desperate.[/citation]
$7-10K? WTF?
1) if you have games that run only on XP, than moving to 7 breaks those anyway, which means dualbooting to maintain compatability. on a Mac, you can dualboot a notebook to OS X, XP, and 7. On a PC notebook, doing so requires 2HDDs, which I know of no notebook that does that in ANY comperable price to a Mac.
2) Your video will plyn on a mac, unless you were dumb enough to record all that video in a windows only DRM, or buy it all DRM protected. Even still, hacking the DRM is always an option. I have not found a single video format I could not find a codec for Mac OS for. Your 10TB of storage is Mac compatible, especailly assimung it;s a SAN (since 10Tb internal is dumb, though it is possible to move it to a Mac if you really want to utilizing a mac Pro toer and the RAID 5 controller option.
3) a 4 core Xeon tower with 8GB of RAM, the new Radeon 5870, and a few hard core components will come in under $3 grand ($3500 with a RAID card). A great gaming Mac notebook will run $2500 tops (and a PC one is more expensive) honestly though, if you're that hard core, you'd build a hackintosh for less on Core quad instead, but really, hard core gamers arew NOT the focus of this comparrison anyway, and you;re FAR less than 1% of the PC market, so for all apple cares, and for the troulbe, you could be in the 10% left on PCs when they've got 90% of the market, and you'll be the niche player.
4) Wer're not suggesting you switch WHOLESALE to Mac and replace all 4 PCs, just swap out the older Xp machines for Macs. Even still, a Core i7 equivalent (as of next week or the one after) will be in the $1700 range, including a 24" screen and dedicated graphics, or in the $100 range for a generic 24" desktop replacement. The base notebooks are $950 and will likely outperform anything you have today that's more than a year old, including rendering performance, unless you have an alienware machine (which costs $2K to replace even on PC OS).
If you machines are not 3 years old, and can easily be upgraded, going to 7 might be an option, if your software is compatible. Sooner or later you need to leave Xp behind. noone is suggesting you do it TODAY, but the question is, when you do, the cost to go Mac vs 7 on NEW hardware will very likely be within a few hundred dolars (and if you check the Apple store, you'll find the high end stuff is CHEAPER ACROSS THE BOARD than anything Dell has).
$7-10K? WTF?
1) if you have games that run only on XP, than moving to 7 breaks those anyway, which means dualbooting to maintain compatability. on a Mac, you can dualboot a notebook to OS X, XP, and 7. On a PC notebook, doing so requires 2HDDs, which I know of no notebook that does that in ANY comperable price to a Mac.
2) Your video will plyn on a mac, unless you were dumb enough to record all that video in a windows only DRM, or buy it all DRM protected. Even still, hacking the DRM is always an option. I have not found a single video format I could not find a codec for Mac OS for. Your 10TB of storage is Mac compatible, especailly assimung it;s a SAN (since 10Tb internal is dumb, though it is possible to move it to a Mac if you really want to utilizing a mac Pro toer and the RAID 5 controller option.
3) a 4 core Xeon tower with 8GB of RAM, the new Radeon 5870, and a few hard core components will come in under $3 grand ($3500 with a RAID card). A great gaming Mac notebook will run $2500 tops (and a PC one is more expensive) honestly though, if you're that hard core, you'd build a hackintosh for less on Core quad instead, but really, hard core gamers arew NOT the focus of this comparrison anyway, and you;re FAR less than 1% of the PC market, so for all apple cares, and for the troulbe, you could be in the 10% left on PCs when they've got 90% of the market, and you'll be the niche player.
4) Wer're not suggesting you switch WHOLESALE to Mac and replace all 4 PCs, just swap out the older Xp machines for Macs. Even still, a Core i7 equivalent (as of next week or the one after) will be in the $1700 range, including a 24" screen and dedicated graphics, or in the $100 range for a generic 24" desktop replacement. The base notebooks are $950 and will likely outperform anything you have today that's more than a year old, including rendering performance, unless you have an alienware machine (which costs $2K to replace even on PC OS).
If you machines are not 3 years old, and can easily be upgraded, going to 7 might be an option, if your software is compatible. Sooner or later you need to leave Xp behind. noone is suggesting you do it TODAY, but the question is, when you do, the cost to go Mac vs 7 on NEW hardware will very likely be within a few hundred dolars (and if you check the Apple store, you'll find the high end stuff is CHEAPER ACROSS THE BOARD than anything Dell has).
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people are upgrading to hacks not macs..
see insanelymac.com or just google hackintosh. love them
see insanelymac.com or just google hackintosh. love them
[citation][nom]zelannii[/nom]$7-10K? WTF? 1) if you have games that run only on XP, than moving to 7 breaks those anyway, which means dualbooting to maintain compatability. on a Mac, you can dualboot a notebook to OS X, XP, and 7. On a PC notebook, doing so requires 2HDDs, which I know of no notebook that does that in ANY comperable price to a Mac. 2) Your video will plyn on a mac, unless you were dumb enough to record all that video in a windows only DRM, or buy it all DRM protected. Even still, hacking the DRM is always an option. I have not found a single video format I could not find a codec for Mac OS for. Your 10TB of storage is Mac compatible, especailly assimung it;s a SAN (since 10Tb internal is dumb, though it is possible to move it to a Mac if you really want to utilizing a mac Pro toer and the RAID 5 controller option. 3) a 4 core Xeon tower with 8GB of RAM, the new Radeon 5870, and a few hard core components will come in under $3 grand ($3500 with a RAID card). A great gaming Mac notebook will run $2500 tops (and a PC one is more expensive) honestly though, if you're that hard core, you'd build a hackintosh for less on Core quad instead, but really, hard core gamers arew NOT the focus of this comparrison anyway, and you;re FAR less than 1% of the PC market, so for all apple cares, and for the troulbe, you could be in the 10% left on PCs when they've got 90% of the market, and you'll be the niche player.4) Wer're not suggesting you switch WHOLESALE to Mac and replace all 4 PCs, just swap out the older Xp machines for Macs. Even still, a Core i7 equivalent (as of next week or the one after) will be in the $1700 range, including a 24" screen and dedicated graphics, or in the $100 range for a generic 24" desktop replacement. The base notebooks are $950 and will likely outperform anything you have today that's more than a year old, including rendering performance, unless you have an alienware machine (which costs $2K to replace even on PC OS). If you machines are not 3 years old, and can easily be upgraded, going to 7 might be an option, if your software is compatible. Sooner or later you need to leave Xp behind. noone is suggesting you do it TODAY, but the question is, when you do, the cost to go Mac vs 7 on NEW hardware will very likely be within a few hundred dolars (and if you check the Apple store, you'll find the high end stuff is CHEAPER ACROSS THE BOARD than anything Dell has).[/citation]Actually my Inspirion 1520 is faster than a Macbook and CPU benching aside will probably keep up with the Pro seeing as mine is 65nm. I've had it longer than a year. The Pro is not a Gaming Laptop by any stretch of the word. I don't consider the 32 stream processor die shrunk 8600m GT that morphed into a 9600m gt a "gaming powerhouse". The Pro kinda sucks as well unless you need Xeons for coding, running lots of network code or Dual Processors.
[citation][nom]TunaSoda[/nom]Apple forgets that 99.9% of the games & software I use and run DON'T WORK ON APPLE's OS...[/citation]
Well, lets take a look:
Mac game titles:
DnD Online
WOW
City of Heroes/villians
Everquest
Diablo II (and soon III)
Starcraft (and soon II)
warhammer online
Neverwinter nights 1 + 2
Eve online
HALO
Doom 3
Command and conquer
Call of Duty (all)
Civilization series
AVP
Ford racing
LoTR online
Medal of Honor series
Spore
Quake 4
Age of Empires
most of Lucas Arts games (and all upcoming ones for PC will be Mac as well)
Unreal
I could easily go on.....
Every upcoming game from EA
Every upcoming game from Blizzard
Even TURBINE (aka microsoft) has comitted to releasing every upcoming mass market game for the Mac going forward.
Needless to say, this is a lot more than 1% of the gamers out there. (Blizzard confirms 20% of their userbase is Mac users).
Why? 2% of PCs come with the graphics capability to run modern PC games. 80% of Macs in the wild can already, and 100% of shipping macs can play most games in at leats low res, with 60% of shipping macs including the most powerful mobile GPU (or better) available now. The Mac user base is actually a MORE attreactive user base for game companies... Mac users typically have more money, have stable hardware, have fewer support calls to game companies over compatabiltiy/performance issues, and more.
Oh, and you can always dualboot XP anyway... without needing a second HDD, and without needing to be a PC expert to figure out how (and without loading Linux to be a multi-boot assistant).
Well, lets take a look:
Mac game titles:
DnD Online
WOW
City of Heroes/villians
Everquest
Diablo II (and soon III)
Starcraft (and soon II)
warhammer online
Neverwinter nights 1 + 2
Eve online
HALO
Doom 3
Command and conquer
Call of Duty (all)
Civilization series
AVP
Ford racing
LoTR online
Medal of Honor series
Spore
Quake 4
Age of Empires
most of Lucas Arts games (and all upcoming ones for PC will be Mac as well)
Unreal
I could easily go on.....
Every upcoming game from EA
Every upcoming game from Blizzard
Even TURBINE (aka microsoft) has comitted to releasing every upcoming mass market game for the Mac going forward.
Needless to say, this is a lot more than 1% of the gamers out there. (Blizzard confirms 20% of their userbase is Mac users).
Why? 2% of PCs come with the graphics capability to run modern PC games. 80% of Macs in the wild can already, and 100% of shipping macs can play most games in at leats low res, with 60% of shipping macs including the most powerful mobile GPU (or better) available now. The Mac user base is actually a MORE attreactive user base for game companies... Mac users typically have more money, have stable hardware, have fewer support calls to game companies over compatabiltiy/performance issues, and more.
Oh, and you can always dualboot XP anyway... without needing a second HDD, and without needing to be a PC expert to figure out how (and without loading Linux to be a multi-boot assistant).
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I have a question for all of the Windows fanboys out there. How do you know Windows is good? I mean, what is it exactly that you compare it too? Is it other version of Windows? Have you all bought Macintosh computers in the last two years, tried Leopard (or Snow Leopard) and not liked it.
I recently switched to a MacBook Pro and found it was quite good. In fact very good. It was loaded with features like Apple Script, Automator, Spaces, Time Machine, Spring Folders, and many, many more that are non-existent in windows. On the hardware side it has aluminum unibody construction, a large feature rich track pad, break-away magnetic power cord a fast processor.
If Apple is such a crappy company, why do I like this computer more than any Windows machine i've used in recent years?
I recently switched to a MacBook Pro and found it was quite good. In fact very good. It was loaded with features like Apple Script, Automator, Spaces, Time Machine, Spring Folders, and many, many more that are non-existent in windows. On the hardware side it has aluminum unibody construction, a large feature rich track pad, break-away magnetic power cord a fast processor.
If Apple is such a crappy company, why do I like this computer more than any Windows machine i've used in recent years?
[citation][nom]konenavi[/nom]Actually my Inspirion 1520 is faster than a Macbook and CPU benching aside will probably keep up with the Pro seeing as mine is 65nm. I've had it longer than a year. The Pro is not a Gaming Laptop by any stretch of the word. I don't consider the 32 stream processor die shrunk 8600m GT that morphed into a 9600m gt a "gaming powerhouse". The Pro kinda sucks as well unless you need Xeons for coding, running lots of network code or Dual Processors.[/citation]
so, you can get better than a 9600GT, for under $1500, in a 15" or larger screen with 1900x1200 or better resolution? (and with a 7 hour battery?) I can't find one. Sure, I can get faster CPUs in a notebook for less. Actually, I found 6 Dell models cheaper than the base 15" macbook pro with faster GPU, but 5 of the 6 used a SLOWER bus with that CPU and slower RAM on top of it, and per this very site in previous articles, they all benchmarked slower... Yea, it;s not a gaming powerhouse, but NO notebook is. The GPUs available in the iMac are not half bad (though the iMac can be underbid by about $2-300 vs a multipiece system, especially if you already own the screen).
That said, if you're really a hard core gamer, Apple doesn't really care. You;re a nich that's less than 1% of the PC market as it is, and highly unprofitable to system builders. You're a cnadidate for a low end mac, or a mini, likely an iPhone or iPod, but not a performance Mac. macs are for the GENERAL public right now, as well as the high end COMPUTE market (not framerate, but CAd, photoshop, layout, and raw CPU performance - you can not get an 8 core performance xeon cheaper from anyone, not even building one yourself in most cases).
so, you can get better than a 9600GT, for under $1500, in a 15" or larger screen with 1900x1200 or better resolution? (and with a 7 hour battery?) I can't find one. Sure, I can get faster CPUs in a notebook for less. Actually, I found 6 Dell models cheaper than the base 15" macbook pro with faster GPU, but 5 of the 6 used a SLOWER bus with that CPU and slower RAM on top of it, and per this very site in previous articles, they all benchmarked slower... Yea, it;s not a gaming powerhouse, but NO notebook is. The GPUs available in the iMac are not half bad (though the iMac can be underbid by about $2-300 vs a multipiece system, especially if you already own the screen).
That said, if you're really a hard core gamer, Apple doesn't really care. You;re a nich that's less than 1% of the PC market as it is, and highly unprofitable to system builders. You're a cnadidate for a low end mac, or a mini, likely an iPhone or iPod, but not a performance Mac. macs are for the GENERAL public right now, as well as the high end COMPUTE market (not framerate, but CAd, photoshop, layout, and raw CPU performance - you can not get an 8 core performance xeon cheaper from anyone, not even building one yourself in most cases).
[citation][nom]TEAMSWITCHER[/nom]I have a question for all of the Windows fanboys out there. How do you know Windows is good? I mean, what is it exactly that you compare it too? Is it other version of Windows? Have you all bought Macintosh computers in the last two years, tried Leopard (or Snow Leopard) and not liked it.I recently switched to a MacBook Pro and found it was quite good. In fact very good. It was loaded with features like Apple Script, Automator, Spaces, Time Machine, Spring Folders, and many, many more that are non-existent in windows. On the hardware side it has aluminum unibody construction, a large feature rich track pad, break-away magnetic power cord a fast processor.If Apple is such a crappy company, why do I like this computer more than any Windows machine i've used in recent years?[/citation]
Well, I'm not a windows fanboy. I guess I fall under the open source fanboy umbrella. That being said, I have used Windows and MacOS extensively.
I have used snow leopard, and no, I didn't like it. It couldn't do the things that I require my computer to do. It not that it isn't a good OS. Its just not good for me. If I were buying a computer for my grandmother, I would probably recommend a Mac.
Mostly though, I boycott Apple out of princple. They are not a moral company. In a capitalist economy, the onus is on the consumer to dictate how corporations behave. I will never buy an apple product until they show me they can behave in a respectable manner.
Well, I'm not a windows fanboy. I guess I fall under the open source fanboy umbrella. That being said, I have used Windows and MacOS extensively.
I have used snow leopard, and no, I didn't like it. It couldn't do the things that I require my computer to do. It not that it isn't a good OS. Its just not good for me. If I were buying a computer for my grandmother, I would probably recommend a Mac.
Mostly though, I boycott Apple out of princple. They are not a moral company. In a capitalist economy, the onus is on the consumer to dictate how corporations behave. I will never buy an apple product until they show me they can behave in a respectable manner.
Most non-tech people DON'T EVER upgrade their OS, they use whatever the computer came with until their next upgrade. The average retail OEM PC buyer already has a Vista PC, and if they don't, then by-golly, it's about time for a new machine anyways...
But really, the fact that this guy considers:
backing up data
clean OS install
reinstall apps
to be "daunting", clearly indicates that he is a Mac user himself, who has more money than brains.
But really, the fact that this guy considers:
backing up data
clean OS install
reinstall apps
to be "daunting", clearly indicates that he is a Mac user himself, who has more money than brains.
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[citation][nom]zelannii[/nom]snip[/citation]
Careful what you say, you'll be given negative votes for saying anything even remotely pro Apple on here. My post adding some logic to the matter was downvoted when I didn't even say anything pro-Apple just that some users would consider a Mac when buying a new computer. Unfortunately the majority of users on here are too narrow minded to consider other options or to even entertain the fact that other people might want to consider their options.
As far as users on here go, if you don't own a computer that can play Crysis at 1080p at 60fps and you haven't built the computer from individual parts then you obviously don't deserve to live and certainly don't deserve to own a computer.
Careful what you say, you'll be given negative votes for saying anything even remotely pro Apple on here. My post adding some logic to the matter was downvoted when I didn't even say anything pro-Apple just that some users would consider a Mac when buying a new computer. Unfortunately the majority of users on here are too narrow minded to consider other options or to even entertain the fact that other people might want to consider their options.
As far as users on here go, if you don't own a computer that can play Crysis at 1080p at 60fps and you haven't built the computer from individual parts then you obviously don't deserve to live and certainly don't deserve to own a computer.
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