Are Intel joking re: i3 pricing?

[sighQ2]

LOL


I was making a joke against Intel's clarkdale and since you fanatically hate Intel, shouldn't you enjoy that?

Seriously /facepalm

i am not surprised. so feigned sincerity throughout the thread as well?

/buttkikk

 

[qurious69ss]

Perhaps a brilliant individual such as yourself could take something out of context and use it proof your lame insults.

Any number of your posts could be used to prove that point. But you really like to be disturbed, do you? You usually just do it to others. Truth is difficult for people who play your game. Perhaps you would prefer I be complacent?

Are you that idiot mmarq from the dronezone?

 

[AMW1011]

Sigh is basically a more conspiracy based version of myself. I've seen a lot of this around, and AMDZone has more than it's fair share.

On the other hand, I find it difficult to disagree with most of what he says. I just don't say it. Why? Because it makes me look like a wacko to a lot of people.

I lose my temper frequently but I would need to be Mother Theresa not to lose my temper here on THG.

There is a massive intel bias on THG and other sites. For all the slagging AMDZone gets from people here, they don't even realise that THG is basically IntelZone. That is how a lot of mainstream sites see THG btw, and right or wrong I don't see THG doing much to change that perception.

I definitely disagree that THGF is Intel biased, I think it is more like a battle field between Intel biased people and AMD biased people with a few unbiased people trying to sort out the mess. Look at this thread, you have the majority saying clarkdale sucks. Then you have a few defending it. And you also have a few bashing ALL Intel products. The truth is always in between, I promise.

Yes SighQ2 is right, Intel is a corrupt monopoly, but that doesn't mean people should get AMD CPUs even if an Intel CPU fits there needs better.

Also SighQ2 is mostly annoying because he is posting countless posts that have nothing to do with the thread or blatantly misunderstands what is said and likes to insult and go all fanatical on the people that share his opinion and the one who oppose it alike.

 

[yannifb]

Sigh is basically a more conspiracy based version of myself. I've seen a lot of this around, and AMDZone has more than it's fair share.

On the other hand, I find it difficult to disagree with most of what he says. I just don't say it. Why? Because it makes me look like a wacko to a lot of people.

I lose my temper frequently but I would need to be Mother Theresa not to lose my temper here on THG.

There is a massive intel bias on THG and other sites. For all the slagging AMDZone gets from people here, they don't even realise that THG is basically IntelZone. That is how a lot of mainstream sites see THG btw, and right or wrong I don't see THG doing much to change that perception.

I have to admit there are a few people here that definitely have an Intel bias (and the only thing that ticks me off is that if you even slightly hint at it your all of a sudden crazy). However they're still many people here I enjoy discussing with.

 

[Guest]

Well I agree that he should concentrate on the points at hand (sigh) and channel his posts towards that.

I guess he's been around a long time, and reading the same old garbage from similar intel fanboys must wear very thin.

When you say intel isn't THG biased, you are only seeing it from the forum pov. Check out the articles, especially that last joke of an article on clarkdale 'efficiency'.

Also, a lot of people have turned the cpu forum into a battle through sheer determination. Battles arent good, but at least it's starting to look a bit fairer.

When I first came here, this forum was nothing but a total intel fanboy free-for-all. A lot of AMD minded people have tried to change attitudes but it's only now that we are really starting to make it happen.

 

[sighQ2]

Alright sighQ2 is really starting to piss me off. He keeps taking different posts, misinterpreting them, and arguing back with his baseless and ridiculous accusations and conspiracies.

I understand fighting for your family, fighting to help cure diseases, fighting corrupt governments, fighting dictators and genocidal ass holes. I understand fighting for civil rights, I understand fighting for humanity and equality, and I understand fighting to save the earth and all its inhabitants.

But if you fight a f&%king computer processor company than your a waste of sperm and egg.

o that's rich.

wouldn't addressing the point be easier - or do you give yourself exclusive rights to fud and abuse in addition to your other self-appointed roles

I said it before; a lot of people here give it out better than they can take it.

And another person's view - how, really, can that be, a problem? That is a problem isn't it?

 

[qurious69ss]

Well I agree that he should concentrate on the points at hand (sigh) and channel his posts towards that.

I guess he's been around a long time, and reading the same old garbage from similar intel fanboys must wear very thin.

When you say intel isn't THG biased, you are only seeing it from the forum pov. Check out the articles, especially that last joke of an article on clarkdale 'efficiency'.

Also, a lot of people have turned the cpu forum into a battle through sheer determination. Battles arent good, but at least it's starting to look a bit fairer.

When I first came here, this forum was nothing but a total intel fanboy free-for-all. A lot of AMD minded people have tried to change attitudes but it's only now that we are really starting to make it happen.

What a tool 😱

 

[qurious69ss]

I find it funny that some of you think that writing on a tech forum actually makes a difference.

 

[yannifb]

Well I agree that he should concentrate on the points at hand (sigh) and channel his posts towards that.

I guess he's been around a long time, and reading the same old garbage from similar intel fanboys must wear very thin.

When you say intel isn't THG biased, you are only seeing it from the forum pov. Check out the articles, especially that last joke of an article on clarkdale 'efficiency'.

Also, a lot of people have turned the cpu forum into a battle through sheer determination. Battles arent good, but at least it's starting to look a bit fairer.

When I first came here, this forum was nothing but a total intel fanboy free-for-all. A lot of AMD minded people have tried to change attitudes but it's only now that we are really starting to make it happen.

Yeah there is definitely bias in the articles. Especially in the way toms uses adjectives. For example when researching how my PhII performed as opposed to an i7 920, anytime the i7 won by only like 2-5% it 'destroyed' or 'flattened' the PhII, but if the PhII ever beat it by the same percentage, it 'squeezed by' or similar words.

 

[Guest]

What I think we see from a lot of intel posters is basic denial.

Most posters here will own an intel of some description. That automatically creates sympathy for intel because nobody wants to think they made the wrong choice.

I own a Q6600 still. I've had a P4, P3 and even a 486DX. I have bought intel in the past, I own intel now.

What I won't do is buy intel in the future.

I didn't make a mistake, I just didn't know what I was buying back then. Even with the Q6600 although I had started to form AMD sympathies I really had no idea how corrupt intel were. That's basically 18 months - 2 years ago.

It's ok to own an intel pc, just don't defend intel because of it. Too many here are turning into rabid intel defenders and ignoring the real issues, and that will lead to a life of intel fanboyism no matter how much they try to screw everybody.

That is basically what people like Badtrip and Jimmysmitty have ended up as.

 

[sighQ2]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

You seriously just speak nonsense.

Intel is a corrupt monopolistic corporation, no s**t now move on.

you mean move on? and leave them to rot in their own filth?

and you support them? how can you do both? how can you move on?

messy isn't it - especially your insults - although you have no problem dishing it out - right? but it's a problem if somebody talks to you, or challenges your suspect authoritative demeanor.

suddenly you can't talk. just insults.

spin until questioned? is that the rules? says you?



and it wasn't about you in the first place. nor was it about me. I am not the topic.

 

[Guest]

I find it funny that some of you think that writing on a tech forum actually makes a difference.

You also have no idea how many people are reading this forum every day.

 

[qurious69ss]

What I think we see from a lot of Amd posters is basic denial.

Most posters here will own an Amd of some description. That automatically creates sympathy for Amdl because nobody wants to think they made the wrong choice.

I own a 9950 still. I've had a X2, Athlon64 and even a K5. I have bought AMD in the past, I own Amd now.

What I won't do is buy Amd in the future.

I didn't make a mistake, I just didn't know what I was buying back then. Even with the 9950 although I had started to form Intel sympathies I really had no idea how corrupt Amd and ruiz were. That's basically 18 months - 2 years ago.

It's ok to own an Amd pc, just don't defend Amd because of it. Too many here are turning into rabid Amd defenders and ignoring the real issues, and that will lead to a life of Amd fanboyism no matter how much they try to screw everybody.

That is basically what people like ohreally and sighQ2 have ended up as.

:lol: :lol:

 

[sighQ2]

You know whats starting to intrigue me more and more? The actual AMD Fusion APU. Its a completely different approach than Intels on die gpu, with fusion the cpu is the gpu. My guess is that the bench's for whatever that Fusion APU is going to be called will be strange, since instead of having 50-100 GFLOPS like normal CPUs its going to have 500 GFLOPS to a Tera Flop. Its a strange thought 😱

EDIT: Also Sighq2 you need to calm down, AMW wasn't attacking you, you definitely misread some of the posts.

Don't even mention Fusion in the presence of this piece of spintel garbage. It's a deliberate insult; and from this discussion, that's about it's only purpose. spintel poses as if it can do anything real with grafx.

It is not a different "approach" - it's a different planet completely. this rag here is an insult, and little else.

what do you mean calm down? I am ok. I expect lame spintel fanboys to insult me, and fud on about the relative wondrousness about the latest piece of spintel caca. no problem.

I am just saying (not saying) that it would not happen if I were in charge. Of course, this would be called the AMD Emporium and Chat Coffee Shop or like that; and would feature open discussion as opposed to dominance and insults and abuse and corporate fud marketing.

How can that be a problem?

 

[notty22]

One thing is sure, it has been a long, long time since an intel cpu looked like such a terrible failure.

Clarkdale is it. Had AMD not made the so-called 'triple cripple' or X4 620, these Clarkdales would probably look mediocre. Now they just look terrible. Really these cpu's are a bad joke.

This is hilarious. Your a end user who plays video games. This statement might as well be you giving a medical diagnosis on my health over the internet. This product like most others the last 48 months from Intel will be a success. And you can go on and chalk it up to conspiracies and other crazy talk. Intel released the I5 750 and forced the PHII 965 from 265 to 185 in one month. AMD had no answer to that chip , has no answer to these dual cores, they are in HUGE trouble. With 6 core xeons up and down every price segment , about to be released, AMD can only look to the heavens for a miracle.

 

[AMW1011]

Well I agree that he should concentrate on the points at hand (sigh) and channel his posts towards that.

I guess he's been around a long time, and reading the same old garbage from similar intel fanboys must wear very thin.

When you say intel isn't THG biased, you are only seeing it from the forum pov. Check out the articles, especially that last joke of an article on clarkdale 'efficiency'.

Also, a lot of people have turned the cpu forum into a battle through sheer determination. Battles arent good, but at least it's starting to look a bit fairer.

When I first came here, this forum was nothing but a total intel fanboy free-for-all. A lot of AMD minded people have tried to change attitudes but it's only now that we are really starting to make it happen.

Now I never said THW's articles aren't biased, they are. Look at how many benchmarks The Last Remnant is in. Look at their i5 750 review, they showed the i5 750 destroying Phenoms in WinRAR when every other article shows the opposite. Look at their PCIe bandwidth article just recently, they say that PCIe @ x4 loses almost 30% performance, while other articles show a less than 10% performance hit and 2 5970s on X8/X8 losing less than 5% performance! Then they say that they should not have used the i5 750 in their last SBM because they lost 4% performance, but the extra $50 or so for an LGA 1366 build would have put them over budget. No, THW articles aren't the best. I'm not sure if it is bias or very faulty benchmarking practices.

As for Sigh, its the unintelligible ramblings that I cry foul at.

And It was an Intel free-for-all when all AMD had were the Phenom Is. I was at a different site then and never understood why some sites, this one included, had so much hate for the Phenom Is. The Phenom I's were slightly slower clock for clock and couldn't overclock for s**t, true, but they still had a market, however small.

What I think we see from a lot of intel posters is basic denial.

Most posters here will own an intel of some description. That automatically creates sympathy for intel because nobody wants to think they made the wrong choice.

I own a Q6600 still. I've had a P4, P3 and even a 486DX. I have bought intel in the past, I own intel now.

What I won't do is buy intel in the future.

I didn't make a mistake, I just didn't know what I was buying back then. Even with the Q6600 although I had started to form AMD sympathies I really had no idea how corrupt intel were. That's basically 18 months - 2 years ago.

It's ok to own an intel pc, just don't defend intel because of it. Too many here are turning into rabid intel defenders and ignoring the real issues, and that will lead to a life of intel fanboyism no matter how much they try to screw everybody.

That is basically what people like Badtrip and Jimmysmitty have ended up as.

I can't agree that it is right to boycott Intel products because of their business practices. If an Intel product meets your needs better than an AMD product then get the Intel product. Let the gov'ts of the world handle corporate corruption. I just can't support looking past the products and looking at the companies instead when the products are what you bring home and use. Also I am very skeptical that Intel pays off reviewers, because no review seems to have the exact same results. Each review tends to show the products competing in a different way and one winning at X while the other wins at Y and at another site that could be different with one winning at Z and the other X.

Now does Intel pay off OEMs? Do they cheat in synthetics? Do they fight dirty with marketing? Well I can believe that, though I see no concrete proof, though the first is pretty well obvious.

 

[randomizer]

even with a small intel bias.

I resemble that remark 😀

In this forum, if you don't support Intel you're obviously biased towards AMD, and vice versa. There is nobody here who is neutral. I am fairly sure my views would not have changed if I had bought a Phenom II though, as that was my plan from early 09.

 

[AMW1011]

This is hilarious. Your a end user who plays video games. This statement might as well be you giving a medical diagnosis on my health over the internet. This product like most others the last 48 months from Intel will be a success. And you can go on and chalk it up to conspiracies and other crazy talk. Intel released the I5 750 and forced the PHII 965 from 265 to 185 in one month. AMD had no answer to that chip , has no answer to these dual cores, they are in HUGE trouble. With 6 core xeons up and down every price segment , about to be released, AMD can only look to the heavens for a miracle.

You really are unbelievable. AMD has no answer to i5 750? Really? Last time I checked they were almost neck in neck. AMD has no answer to i7, don't misrepresent the facts.

These chips are going to be a success and AMD has no answer for these?! They have a multitude of faster, cheaper, and more appealing answers. LEt me list them:

Athlon II X4 620
Athlon II X4 630
Phenom II X3 720
Phenom II X4 925
Phenom II X4 940

ATI HD 3100
ATI HD 3200
ATI HD 3300
ATI HD 4200

And that is not to mention the Athlon II X2 250 whihc is damn close to clarkdale in performance and yet is FAR cheaper.

The truth is, any dualcore that costs more than $80, even with HT, is a failure. Clarkdale costs way more and Intel charges a premium for the motherboards.

Clarkdale is good for one thing and ONE THING ONLY. That is for those who are willing to spend extra and sacrifice some performance for the fun of overclocking them, that is it.

 

[mindless728]

I resemble that remark 😀

In this forum, if you don't support Intel you're obviously biased towards AMD, and vice versa. There is nobody here who is neutral. I am fairly sure my views would not have changed if I had bought a Phenom II though, as that was my plan from early 09.

i would say i am neutral, i believe that both intel and AMD have their price segments they are better than the other in

as for this thread, yeah the i3 is a good processor, but like Intel's other iGPU's, that part sucks, and when you can have a Quad (Thalon II X4) and a decent/good iGPU (HD3200/HD4200) i just don't see the point of intel at this price point

though looking into a performance computer (cpu bound work) and you have a budget of $1k (even $750 if you don't game at all) then Intel is where you should look

in pure gaming i think the line between the 2 is somewhere in the $900-$1100 range, the i5 and PII955/965 are close in price (in terms of cpu/mobo, everything else the same) above and below this line are reserved for AMD and Intel for Low and High budget respectively

 

[randomizer]

Oh and notty, stop posting under different usernames.

 

[qurious69ss]

Earnings out in a few weeks so we will know if Amd was selling those chips at or below cost. My guess is below cost. I'm sure their arab sugardaddies will help them out.

 

[sighQ2]

Are you that idiot mmarq from the dronezone?

no
and he is no idiot
if you think his brilliance reflects idiocy, then it is you who has the problem

i don't care what you say about me - i expect insults from some of the slaves here.

i am not a dronezone member = and your bias is well illustrated also - so I assume you are part of the spintel horde? that thinks antitrust is just o so great, and makes a respectable business model?

if so, have no fear, i expect no intelligent response

 

[randomizer]

i would say i am neutral, i believe that both intel and AMD have their price segments they are better than the other in

Yes, well we all say that but there's a difference between openly stating preferences and having subconscious preferences that you wouldn't admit exist because you probably don't notice them. They are often minor.

Consciously, I buy whatever is going to give me the best bang-for-buck for my uses. I ignore lawsuits and monopolistic actions because until something changes one part is still going to be faster than another in certain tasks, even if it's due to "cheating," and I'm interested in performance, not politics.

 

[pausert20]

Mmmmm, I think the Clarkdale is great for HTPC's. Just my take.

 

[Guest]

Earnings out in a few weeks so we will know if Amd was selling those chips at or below cost. My guess is below cost. I'm sure their arab sugardaddies will help them out.

I'd be willing to wager that AMD are going to post a healthy profit. Wanna bet Notty?