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I think it's great that you don't like me... because if you did... just know you'd be barking up the wrong tree.

Am I ego maniacal in nature? Nah... but I do agree that I come off as arrogant. Part of the reasoning behind this is because I am a well educated young man who comes from a background of well educated public speakers and activists (in the halls of Academia).

People like you call me an "elitist" and as you stated have a natural "aversion" to people like me. Why?

Simple. We're all rational self interested individuals competing against one another with the sole purpose of propagating our genes. I have an advantage over you as you obviously perceive my intelligence to be greater than yours. Naturally you feel threatened by my intelligence therefore you attack it (first thing you attacked).

And this is exactly what you've done. You started off by attacking what you perceive to be my ego (which is in fact my ability to maintain vast quantities of knowledge and at times add to said knowledge from my own personal empirical experiences).

Naturally, the end result is that I am not offended by your post but rather feel empowered by it and for that I have you to thank :)

Now onto the topic at hand. What you are attempting to do is the same thing JennyH attempted to do (and I find this curious to say the least). When met with an adversary of my caliber (insert ego here) JennyH attempted to mimic my posting style as well as attempted to use a form of vocabulary, which in her hands, made her sound like she was trying to hard.

You're doing the exact same thing here. Comparing your last post here with the rest of your posts and you'd swear you were a different person. But at the end of the day, it's not how you sound but what you say.

You stated that there is no reason to purchase a Core i7 processor over a Phenom II X4 Processor to power a system with several Radeon HD 5870s. That was your claim.

I simply highlighted the lack of logic in that statement. So far you have added nothing of worth to this entire thread. Your posts are repetitive and filled with diminutive terms.

I am not your sport, kiddie, son or daughter. But I can tell you one thing. From what I have seen in your posts... it's quite clear that I am your intellectual superior.

Peace :)
 


hopefully the best :hello:

what, you want mine too?

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seriously - tobacco only
- the Dutch original version of Drum Halfzware Shag w Zig Zag Blues
- not the same as the American Drum

- although I really prefer Samson
- it's really nice - hard to find lately for some reason.

- or Bali Shag Light - regular is too strong

- but you could share yours couldn't you? 😀

and I like a wee dram of Scotch tew. aye.
and a good dark ale.


 
Quite frankly, and to get this post back to the subject instead of the attacks on each other, I see Intel's strategy continuing to unfold.

Thier business against AMD lately is nothing more than a 1-2 punch to the face.

1. lower cpu prices to the point of no income for R&D. Since this will only mildly affect Intel's own overall profits, it kills AMD. Intel's profits came from thier Motherboard and GPU sales. AMD had neither until ATI.

2. When your competition is crippled and not likely to survive, jack prices back up, they can't follow suit since thier products are crippled by #1. Once your competition is 2-5 years behind, just sit back and rake in the money and push out more crap, and charge higher prices.
 

Sounds to me like you're explaining to us how unregulated Capitalism works.

So in the context of unregulated Capitalism being "Good" and Greed being "Good" (as the majority of Americans believe) what is the problem?
 


ya know, I think you should stick your nose in somebody else's business little girl
and I do not believe your set of facts
 
OK, I need to ask this. Unless youve been living under a rock, you know Ive been wanting better IGPs all around, especially from Intel, where its a disgrace.
Now, to my question. I hear people banging some kind of drum saying that the chip contains the IGP (i3), its 32nm, etc, like that makes a difference in pricing or perf.
Why is it that Intel did the pooch here? Wouldnt it have been wiser to lesson its IGP abilities, thereby driving down overall costs, and making it a better competitor against the various AMD chips? As alot of people said, IGPs are barely neded, and having a better one is surely not needed, and thats exactly what Intel did do here, and it evidently leads to a higher cost, which puts it out or over against similar competitive products.????


Now, like Ive said, I think theyve needed this all along, and somewhat agree with what theyre doing, unfortunately, they have it backwards IMO, having the cpu helping the gpu, where the gpu should be helping the cpu, but anyways, since its not needed, and costs so much, what was the point of doing it? And does it deserve any real praise?
 

Well Intel created a product for the OEM market here.

That's what Intel has done. I expect to see cheaper Dell, HP etc basic model systems :)

As far as for us... Corei3 isn't really all that important.
 


i don't believe, despite the benches, which I believe are also biased, that the i7 920 is significantly better than Phenom II 965 - I think of them as near enough to equal. In actual use, I think the P2 is better in terms of the actual experience due to better immediate responsiveness; whereas I think less of i7 hearing reports of hesitation and stutter - and I have seen that.

In an expensive system it would be better to save a few hundred (the cost diff of the best board and cpu), and put it into peripherals - esp multiple monitors.

And the resolution has to be real high; and this is the area where in reviews, the Phenom w ATI outperforms. The impact of the GPU is greater at hi rez. Reviews tend to hide that and show lo rez 1200 and like that.

Beyond that, it's preferential peripherals - but a fair peace of change goes into the area I mention - and squandering on mobo cpu is not good return re price/performance.

Overall, I simply think it obscene what spintel has done to AMD. I do not see how people can say that politics etc doesn't matter and we should ignore that.
It isn't politics - it's CRIME - it's ILLEGAL.

For me, it's personal morality. It just is not right. And I will never buy spintel. They are not worthy. To utter their name is to stoop so low.

It's a big hate. And I see their propaganda and how they spin it - I know the abuse of the psychology they use. They touch the psychotic element - see Carl Jung for info on that. They use a lot of dirty tricks - they are sociopathic. I just know it; it's simply known to me; based on what I know about esoteric psychology, etc etc.

but that sys was a useless waste - it will never be seen, noticed; and the guy knows not what he does; more money than tek knowledge.
 


you are just a baby, you don't know.

o yeh

btw = the intuit thing is not it, try spirituality; I mean that. you can't touch intuit. it's your spirit. I would not mess w ya here. that would be criminal and I would pay. just a mention. it's what works for you. things are not as they seem. whatever.
out.
 
OK, this is true, but considering this is similar to a dbl chez boogy with a pickle here, meaning its an add on , and not a true fusion part yet, or native, and AMD may exchange roles here, and even tho Intel may have come out first, AMD will come out right, anyways...
People here have:
Claimed no new perf needed for Intel IGPs
Praised i3 for its IGP inclusion
Say perf doesnt matter when costs are concerned, as its a dual core vs more cores etc.
or in other words, cost nor perf matters, its a dual core, or it has its own IGP, even tho your mobo already has one, and the cpu you choose is better and cheaper, how does this deserve praise?
Elmo, youre the first to really expound upon the IGP, and I do commend Intel for doing what its done, but Ive argued with these knuckleheads here that its comong, its overdue, and its needed, so of course, now that its here, its taboo to mention at this point, as it only made all my previous points right over the last few years.
You didnt play a part in any of that, and for that, its cool, as you too see these benefits, low as they are, but benefits none the less.
I just dont want to see a higher cost issue now, as that doesnt fit the competitions perf/price scenario.
They cost too much for what you get, and any marketing scheme deserves only denial of it, as Intel has pounded its drum for its neglect of decent IGPs, which has been heard clearly here, and resounded as well.
So, no praise coming to Intel due to higher costs, still lackluster perf, and tho its 32m, other than mobile, is a very limited best case buy
 

So you want to argue with Albert Einstein now?

Hehehe.

The only valuable thing is intuition
Click to expand...
- Albert Einstein

That Quote is from him.
 

Well we've heard that since the Q6600 was out and yet nobody has actually substantiated their claims with some evidence to support it. Firstly it was "because Core 2 Quad doesn't have an IMC," but now that Core i7 does that reason is dead in the water. So does anyone else have a possible explanation? I'm yet to see anything except "it feels this or that." Well feelings are inherently biased because you will see or feel what you want to see or feel. Stutter doesn't happen without reason, therefore there has to be a verifiable reason for it. I'm not going to discount the existence of stutter as pure conspiracy, but I will consider it as unverified until such a time as it is verified.



While you'd say this is because they are paid off by Intel, I believe the reason for running low resolution benchmarks in a CPU review is because:

1) There's actually a noteworthy difference. There's little point running 700 benchmarks to show a tiny difference when most people expect there to be little difference anyway. You could throw an Athlon X2 into the mix and probably see similar framerates to a 965 BE or i7 920 at the highest resolutions.

2) Few people play at 1920x1200 and 2560x1600. In fact, most people play at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 (or something similar in widescreen).

These two reasons drive the mentality that lower resolutions are the best thing to run for CPU reviews (and reviews for CPUs aren't all gaming either). If you're benching low-end or midrange GPUs you'd probably do the same, since nobody is going to run a HD5670 at 1920x1200 in games. Of course, if you're doing a GPU review of high end hardware you'd do high resolutions because you want to tailor it to the target market.


Quite simply because I'm a consumer and not a politician or crime expert. Simply buying hardware that runs my software slower as though it's going to magically get faster because of my good morals isn't the way I do things. If Phenom II is faster where I need it to be, I'll buy it. If the Core i7 is faster, I'll buy it. If the VIA Nano is (miraculously) faster, I'll buy it. Unless budget forbids me to follow that general rule, my purchasing decisions are quite simple. I let government and legal organisations deal with the crime, and I buy what benefits me the most right now. In the end, and decision I make will have zero impact on any company because it's the OEMs where the real money is. Intel owns the OEM market.
 
All things being equal, to mobo/skt life expectancy, cost/perf etc, to me it doesnt matter, as theres good Intel employees as there are good AMD employees that need their jobs.
True justice is to can those who constructed Intels activities, and pushed them thru, unless under duress
 


you were ok up to the point of this paragraph:
<<Simple. We're all rational self interested individuals competing against one another with the sole purpose of propagating our genes. I have an advantage over you as you obviously perceive my intelligence to be greater than yours. Naturally you feel threatened by my intelligence therefore you attack it (first thing you attacked).>>

Oh, did I attack? I thought it was illustration. hmmm it was preceded by other flames... messy place

After that, sorry - all wrong. I used to value my intellect; I discovered the folly of that way. I discovered it prevents experience, and is often counter to spiritual pursuit and ways of mystery. I am not your inferior in the regard you mentioned; in my pursuit, I have learned that if I assess a person's state of being, I will be wrong. I see what you do. And that is just what that is; and it's all yours. You have what you value. It matters not to me; I pursue what is of interest; therein is my health.

Beyond, is more is not of possibly speak to you of this as is not what you have seen in public forum for sure. for none(?) speak like that here. and is of no meaning or logical sense. that stuff is too slow. the logic is the intellect is slow. the emotional is lightning by comparison. and the spiritual doesn't care; goes as fast and big as you be. for you be. simple right? and you leave your illusions of self at the door or you don't come in. and there is no arrogance. no intellect. only experience. and all the ideas are just nice ideas, that's all, and largely not relevant, but rather interfere in here and now in the moment. and so it goes. you and yours as you are with you for you. we are not alone is not just a nice idea. and the guided tour is a learning the unknowable. none of this matters beyond that. sell this out? can't be done. untouchable.

And it doesn't make any sense. It can't be helped. It's just personal exploration and willingness to surrender will will will be gone is returned in conditions known, ego prevent. end of scenes all ways close. gone. zoomzoom haha untouchable, can't claim it, give it up. So there you are. And there is no lack. But thanks for sharing; the mind trick almost worked; but know better. And Jenny is just too nice for this place; but she is stronger than you think. She has her power. It's always different. i liked your description; but beware the limitations; if you see them, you need to resolve, change, see, and perhaps hear that which is said spoken to you in silence, the that precedes thought. I write. I like he said she said, know you can hear what I tell you more than you hear here, now, henceforth and all that gibberish. it's quite bizarre at times. and upper limits of me can be limits, as is for you too and is unique personal. but lose the intellect, well you don't but like that, whatever turns you on.
it so makes no sense and doesn't matter that.

Peace.
 

And it makes him appear mentally unbalanced, which I actually think he truly is.


:lol: No, he is even worse, he is ZootyGay.


We need to start the ZootyGay award.

AMDZone were too embarrassed to have him on their forums because he confirmed everything bad that people had said about AMDZone being mindless and just plain dumb, so they forced him out.

I still laugh when you could see the way the Mods there responded to him at times, when I think they must have been thinking he was an Intel fanboy trying to make AMD fans look bad(which he unquestionably does).



 

Please start taking your meds again, it would be better for all of us.
 

It seems to be that you're attempting to argue for Dualism. For those unfamiliar with Dualism, it is the notion that a "spirit" or "non-physical entity" resides in our mind and/or body.

The case against Dualism is coherent and compelling. For me it comes down to two things. Mind brain/Mind body Dualism has no additional explanatory value. There is nothing about the way the human brain functions (or human mind if you prefer) that is elucidated by mind brain and/or mind body dualism. In fact it's quite the opposite as Dualism complicates matters by raising more questions than it answers (if it answers any).

Among other things, if there is some non-physical aspect to the human brain/mind and/or if mental events are non-physical functions and brain events are physical functions and human beings are composite entities made of a non-physical mind linked somehow to a physical body, we're left to figure out a whole bunch of stuff. This stuff includes, without limitation, how the alleged dualistic interactions take place? How these two essentially different things are causally related to one another?

Now many great minds (René Descartes etc) have dedicated a lot of time trying to causally relate the two and they came up with nothing. There is just no additional explanatory value added by positing that there is a ghost somehow tethered in the human mind. And in my opinion, talk of a non-physical mind, is incoherent.

This is why I prefer to rely on what we "know" and what we can "demonstrate" rather than hypothesizing and therefore creating non-scientific theories to explain things which science has yet to explain. You indicate that Intellect is inferior to Spirituality.. so I have to ask.

If you still think that "spirits" exist then... "What is a non-physical substance"?
 


Wha...
 


Says the person who's only arguments consist of "ask around, you're absolutely wrong", and "I've learned to listen to better source".

From the quotation of Francois you posted earlier, only 8% of the PC sold will be used in gaming. And in that, 10% of them will feature a discreet card. So that's a whopping 7.2% of the entire PC market that will be gaming on IGP, with games like Farmville or Facebook games, which the current Intel IGP is perfectly capable of.

Does Intel need to update their IGP? Yes they do. Its called natural progression. Is it urgently needed? No. Will Intel's marketshare crash because their IGP sucks? No. Its been like this for a number of years, and it will continue like this for a number of years.

/go back to ignore mode.
 
Nice question. I would only suggest etherial.

but no, all this dualism chatter is not of any use. I speak of experientials of a very personal nature. It is not possible to accurately describe or even easily illustrate. And so the seeming gibberish is a message. Often, incoherent, possibly useless, and other times, direct commune. It is simply personal and relates to nature of what we are. We all have this capability; but few will go there for a million reason, not the least of which is lame modboy meds cheap shot what he knows of this. In speak is silent yet somehow canhear with no sound silence and go with it and that's about the best descript. desCartes wasn't he a mathematician? That's ok too. It's all good but very personal and very seemingly so weird that people think scitzoid and all that useless bs. This simply is not of this world. Perhaps some notion of devotional which really is almost like sexual emotional communion, if you can imagine; but it's beyond description and seemingly delerious; but that does not have to be either. No rules. But no, not the dualism idea; although that's perhaps close; it's really an intellectualization of something else; it's not the thing itself. I am eluding to the thing itself. It's like turn of the farking intellect and let your mind fly away and see what comes. It's like learning how to fly; it takes time - no , do not attempt flight. Anyway, it's an interesting place that's like an infinite resource, after a while; but I found some personal work was needed en route. This appears in art, literature, music, and just out of nowhere. It actually was quite a surprise when it started; but I ended up writing for quite a while; then speaking, following instructions, following guidance. It looks like religion; but that's not it for sure; that's more for people who won't do this. It's apparently impossible to describe. Some say channel; that's not accurate either; although it could be for some. Anyway, I just wanted to mention. My amazing intellect became just intellect; it was devoid of experience, insensitive. There isn't a lot of emotion in intellect.

babbling

anyway that's that. It was part of a process that started years before; reading philosophy, esoteric literature, psych/Perls, Jung, and whatever else /Neitzche /Dostoyevsky /oouspensky /gurdjieff. Course in miracles, urantia, bible, lots of books, unusual books. anyway I thought I should mention to you.

a surprisingly pleasant interaction
thanks.
 
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